Can feat Charging Hurler be used with Pounce?


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Pounce: When a creature with this special attack makes a charge, it can make a full attack.

(Feat)Charging Hurler:You can use the charge rules to make a thrown weapon attack. All the parameters of a charge apply, except that you must only move closer to your opponent, and you must end your movement within 30 feet of that opponent. If you do, you can make a single thrown weapon attack against that opponent, gaining the +2 bonus on the attack roll and taking a –2 penalty to your AC until the start of your next turn.

(Barbarian Rage Power) Hurling Charge : While raging and making a charge attack, the barbarian may draw and throw a hurled weapon during her charge, gaining the normal +2 attack roll bonus on the thrown weapon attack as well as on the melee attack at the end of the charge. The barbarian must move at least 10 feet before using a thrown weapon and at least 10 additional feet before making a melee attack at the end of her charge. The barbarian must have a thrown weapon in hand or have one hand free at the beginning of her charge. A barbarian must have the lesser hurling rage power to select this rage power. A barbarian must be at least 6th level to select this rage power.

FAQ(http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fo#v5748eaic9quy):pounce would allow the creature its full attack, despite the slow effect

(Feat) Coordinated Charge:When an ally with this feat charges a creature that is no further away from you than your speed, you can, as an immediate action, charge that creature. You must be able to follow all of the normal charge rules

So my questions are:
1.If I have both Charging Hurler and Pounce,can I make an full attack with thrown weapons?
2.How does Hurling Charge work with Pounce?
3.If I can make full attack with pounce when Staggered with a standard action,can I use Coordinated Charge to make full attack with an immediate action?


1) Yes.

2) You move at least 10', throw a weapon, move at least 10', make a full attack. You only get one mid-charge throw.

3) I'm not sure if you can charge while staggered (since you are not limited to a standard action, you can take a move action instead). However, given pounce, any time you do get to charge you get to make a full attack, including with Coordinated Charge.


Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:
3) I'm not sure if you can charge while staggered (since you are not limited to a standard action, you can take a move action instead).

Yes, you can. The FAQ says you can Pounce under Slow, and Slow inflicts the staggered condition plus additional penalties.


If you have Hurling Charge and Pounce I don't see a reason why you would be denied a full attack at the end. However, with Charging Hurler I see it as specifically giving you a single attack. It's a bit unclear how these abilities should interact, but I am certain Hurling Charge would work just fine as you throw while moving and then end up in position to make the attack you would normally be granted at the end of a charge.

So...
1) Unclear
2) You make a charge, throw the weapon during the movement, end the charge, and make a full attack (with Pounce)
3) Yes, how you get the charge action is immaterial. As long as you can charge you can get a full attack. This a common tactic with brawler familiars to enable melee classes to get into position to allow them to take a full attack action on their turn instead of having to move. The only difference is that instead of only getting 1 attack on a charge like they normally do, you get a full attack because of Pounce. However, do keep in mind you must be raging in order for Greater Beast Totem to be active so that you do actually have pounce. If your ally acts before you and charges you are not raging, and if they go after you would need to activate rage on your turn and then delay.

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