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I can't help but think the guy is completely insane and that after the murder of his wife he got some sort of god complex.
I can't help but think the guy is completely insane and that after the murder of his wife he got some sort of god complex.
Let's hope that god complex reminds him to firmly hold the soap while showering in Nevada's Prison System.
I'm statisfied with the recent verdict, other than the fact that his come-uppins' with legal system and his wife's murder is 14 year late.
bout time he gets some jail time anyhow
Too little too late for his wife's family. I mean, my god, he wrote a confession and published it as a book with a thumb to his nose like it's all just been a great big joke to him.
I hope his cellmate is hulking inbred named Bubba Joe Bob.
I worked in corrections for 4 years as security, I hope he get the maximum sentance and is mixed with the general populace (not likely though). In my opinion, he deserves a lot more than the system will allow. Inmates receive far more means of entertainment and privelages than most people realize. His celebrity status often times ensures being separated from the general populace (for safety reasons) and treated better. I say he should have to take his chances like Jeffery Dahmer. This should have happened the first time he went to trial. I'm glad something finally caught up with him.
I think it is heartless and cruel to wish harm on a stranger. Wishing that a human being get raped is not a nice thing to do. It does not matter who the person is. Each of us lives a life inside a skull, and sees the world our own way. Each of us could kill, were the circumstances right, and any one of us could wind up in prison.
Prisons are dreadful, terrible places. Many of the people in them are irrevocably damaged by the ordeal.
Chuckling that they had it coming, is monstrous.
Time for some compassion.
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Too little too late for his wife's family. I mean, my god, he wrote a confession and published it as a book with a thumb to his nose like it's all just been a great big joke to him.
Is that actually the case?
I thought the book posed a lot of questions, and teased "Well, guess we'll never know..."?I know US lawyers have some wacky ways of misinterpreting the intent of their law, but I assumed Double Jeopardy was intended to prevent a DA dragging you through the courts a hundred times, till he gets the result he wants. Not to prevent a case being re-opened when new evidence comes to light.
If a full confession, made with no duress, in a public medium, doesn't count as 'new evidence', then I think your country is in deep trouble.
Allowing people to brag about their crimes, or how they escaped justice, is an invitation to lawlessness and vigilantism.
So, I find it hard to believe he actually came out and declared his guilt.
PS: Didn't this very issue come up on 'The Shield', when a killer hired a musician to record a song bragging about his crime?
Each of us could kill, were the circumstances right, and any one of us could wind up in prison.
You're quite correct on this point. I worked in corrections for 15 years and was a medium security housing unit supervisor. We had a saying that the only thing that seperates some people from those in prison, "was one bad day."
I take your point not to confuse justice with revenge. However compassion extends to his life and general safety only, not to his freedom.
This man has crossed the line. He has shown an unwillingness to abide by the laws of society. He needs to be put away to protect society from him.
Glad to see that they finally put him away.
Message to OJ: You are not above the law.
I, for one, want compassion for Bubba Joe Bob. Put OJ in a cell by himself for the next 20 years to life.
Taliesin (et al), I hear what you are saying about compassion--in our anger at injustice, we can lose the virtues of our own humanity. Where is the line between righteous anger, wishing someone harm, and enjoying their suffering? Wherever it is, it is sick when we slip over into enjoying someone's suffering, is my read.
You worked at Arkham Asylum?
Lol.
I had to Google "one bad day" and "Arkham" in order to get what you meant. All I can say is that it must be a common enough sentiment.
Each of us could kill, were the circumstances right, and any one of us could wind up in prison.
You're quite correct on this point. I worked in corrections for 15 years and was a medium security housing unit supervisor. We had a saying that the only thing that seperates some people from those in prison, "was one bad day."
I've worked in corrections for 14 years. Over the course of my career, I've work every custody level from minimum to super-max and I've held a wide variety of security and administrative positions.
Anyone who stated, "The only thing that separates some people from those in prison was one bad day." would definitely be watched closely. Another phrase bandied about by inmate advocates is, "The only difference between the inmates and us is that they got caught."
Most people are not capable of murder.
Every inmate in prison is there because of a decision that they made. They chose to steal, they chose to rape, they chose to murder, they chose to hurt children. We humans have control over our actions and most of us are not in danger of losing control and committing these monstrous acts. Those people that are unable to control themselves belong in prison. Those people would consider it a bad day if they were caught, but not if a crime was committed.
You might argue that drugs or alcohol caused them to lose control. I will argue that was a choice as well. And I make that argument while I teach substance abuse awareness class.
Anyone who feels they are only one bad day away from kicking in a door and raping/murdering/molesting/or stealing from the unfortunate family on the other side needs to seek psychiatric help immediately.
Prisons are horrible places, because of the horrible people that are locked away there. That being said, nobody deserves to be raped.
I occasionally smoke marijuana. I have taken LSD in the past, and I have smoked opium.
I have never hit anyone. I don't steal. I am not an addict. I just feel it is my right to experiment with psychedelic substances. Plenty of people are similar to me in this regard. I don't like alcohol, or cigarettes.
Under American law, I could go to prison for what I put in my body, or do with my mind.
About killing. If someone sought to kill me, or kill my students, or rape someone in my presence, and I had no other recourse, I would try to incapacitate the offender. If I killed them, I would be deeply upset and would take a long time to heal and recover.
With the right accidents of law, or the right admixture of ignorance in a courtroom, That would get me imprisoned.
I live in Taiwan. Under the right circumstances, war with China could break out, causing me to be imprisoned.
I am a conscientious objector. I left South Africa in the early nineties, so I would not have to do the compulsory military service that the apartheid government required. Under S.A law, avoiding the call up was a criminal act, and punishable by two years in prison.
I was active in a group of hunt saboteurs in the UK. Under the criminal justice bill, I could have served prison time for saving foxes from entitled rich bastards.
I was sharing an apartment with a Jordanian man. He illegaly hacked the phone for free long distance calls to Jordan. I found out about this, and promptly moved out, but had there been a raid, I could have ended up in prison under the telecommunications act.
There are plenty of types of bad day. I have never willingly hurt another person. I am one of the least violent, most level headed, and generally nice people you could hope to know.
I do not trust the systems that put people in prison.
I do not trust the systems that put people in prison.
Most criminals don't.
Ever heard of Foucault?
I do not trust the systems that put people in prison.
Most criminals don't.
E X A C T L Y!
Besides, i never waste any compassion on criminals, only their victims. Criminals arent due any, ever.
Thoth-Amon
What about a conscientious objector in Apartheid South Africa? Should people who refuse to kill for a racist regime be excluded from compassion?
What about people who smoke marijuana?
Or someone who gives a false confession, under duress?
Define criminal. Is it someone who breaks a law, or do you mean a person who harms others?
I would contend that compassion is never wasted.
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I do not trust the systems that put people in prison.
Most criminals don't.
E X A C T L Y!
Besides, i never waste any compassion on criminals, only their victims. Criminals arent due any, ever.
Thoth-Amon
What about a conscientious objector in Apartheid South Africa? Should people who refuse to kill for a racist regime be excluded from compassion?
What about people who smoke marijuana?
Or someone who gives a false confession, under duress?
Define criminal. Is it someone who breaks a law, or do you mean a person who harms others?
I'll give you a hint... who are we talking about on this thread?
Need another hint? Let me give you the title of said thread... "O.J's going to prison: thoughts?"
Oh and the fact that youre trying to jump off-topic to desperately try and make a point... speaks volumes to me about your character.
Thoth-Amon
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I do not trust the systems that put people in prison.
Most criminals don't.
E X A C T L Y!
Besides, i never waste any compassion on criminals, only their victims. Criminals arent due any, ever.
Thoth-Amon
What about a conscientious objector in Apartheid South Africa? Should people who refuse to kill for a racist regime be excluded from compassion?
What about people who smoke marijuana?
Or someone who gives a false confession, under duress?
Define criminal. Is it someone who breaks a law, or do you mean a person who harms others?
I'll give you a hint... who are we talking about on this thread?
Need another hint? Let me give you the title of said thread... "O.J's going to prison: thoughts?"
Thoth-Amon
You actually generalised it to criminals (bolded the parts in question). That is not restricting it to Orenthal James Simpson. So the point is valid.
Criminal is a word that can be subjective. Tal's point there is dead on. One man's criminal in another man's freedom fighter.
I just can't see OJ in the same light, though. He's been a smug smartass sonuvab~!%@ ever since his acquittal engaging in reckless behavior leading up to his current circumstances.
Perhaps a better word(s) for OJ would be: deviant sociopath.
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Criminal is a word that can be subjective. Tal's point there is dead on. One man's criminal in another man's freedom fighter.
I just can't see OJ in the same light, though. He's been a smug smartass sonuvab*!!# ever since his acquittal engaging in reckless behavior leading up to his current circumstances.
Perhaps a better word(s) for OJ would be: deviant sociopath.
...and since this thread is about O.J. and by extension, murderers, and not rich kidnappers, nor weed smokers, nor saving foxes, i will still argue my point has stayed on task.
oh, and i'm cool with your term: "deviant sociopath." Which would apply to O.J. as well.
Thoth-Amon
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In August and September of 2007, I was working for a multi-campus school called High Tech Institute, and I was sent to teach Algebra and Computer Applications at the Las Vegas campus.
The HTI campus is about a block away from the Palace Station Hotel and Casino where the crime took place, and, as it turns out, that's the hotel where HTI paid for me to stay during my weeks teaching there.
So, I've got to ask: Who the hell tries to commit a crime in a Las Vegas casino hotel??
The casino hotels are the most secure (that is to say, heavily-monitored) places in America. From the time OJ and his Amazing Friends stepped out of their cars in the parking lot, until they walked out of the hotel hallways and shut the door behind them, they joined the rest of the guests under complete electronic surveillance.
Even if his boys had "successfully" robbed the "memorabilia" people, the victims could have just called down to the lobby, reported the crime, and the security monitors would keep track of the thieves until they reached the lobby, where the heavily armed security staff would have taken them down.
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Criminal is a word that can be subjective. Tal's point there is dead on. One man's criminal in another man's freedom fighter.
I just can't see OJ in the same light, though. He's been a smug smartass sonuvab*!!# ever since his acquittal engaging in reckless behavior leading up to his current circumstances.
Perhaps a better word(s) for OJ would be: deviant sociopath.
...and since this thread is about O.J. and by extension, murderers, and not rich kidnappers, or weed smokers, or saving foxes, i will still argue my point has stayed on task.
oh, and i'm cool with your term: "deviant sociopath." Which would apply to O.J. as well.
Thoth-Amon
OJ is a rich kidnapper. He's rich and he was just found guilty of kidnapping. However, he is not a convicted murderer. He was tried and was not found guilty. Legally, that makes him innocent. His later civil culpability does not erase the earlier criminal judgment. On the criminal standard of beyond reasonable doubt, he's not a murderer.
This is quite an important point of principle even if I think he was guilty. He's a sociopathic, violent criminal, sure. But he's not a murderer.
Criminal is a word that can be subjective. Tal's point there is dead on. One man's criminal in another man's freedom fighter.
I just can't see OJ in the same light, though. He's been a smug smartass sonuvab*!!# ever since his acquittal engaging in reckless behavior leading up to his current circumstances.
Perhaps a better word(s) for OJ would be: deviant sociopath.
...and since this thread is about O.J. and by extension, murderers, and not rich kidnappers, nor weed smokers, nor saving foxes, i will still argue my point has stayed on task.
oh, and i'm cool with your term: "deviant sociopath." Which would apply to O.J. as well.
Thoth-Amon
Well, it does have to do with kidnappers, right? Since OJ was convicted of kidnapping. (But whether he qualifies now as a rich kidnapper is another matter.)
On another note, how is the word 'criminal' justifiedly taken in any subjective manner? Isn't it a legal term? Perhaps Guru's point is that there is a difference between whether something is licit and whether something is morally right? But even that is going to trouble me, given the circumstances. If somebody says to me that the Taliban may be criminals, but they are morally justified freedom fighters, I'm going to insist that someone may have such a subjective perspective, but that it is objectively wrong, whether anyone realizes that or not. I'm not assigning any of these opinions to you, Guru, I am just trying to figure out what your distinction means.
EDIT: Somewhat beat by Paul. But just a point there, OJ was found Not Guilty, which is not the same as Innocent. Legally he may not be a convicted murder, but I think there are plenty of us who are convinced we know (are rationally justified in believing) that the verdict was wrong, and that he is an unconvicted murderer, which is even further away from being Innocent than Not Guilty is.
He'll prolly be allright in prison. He's got protection money.
Does he still have money? I hope not.
Are you found Guilty in a civil case, or isn't there another term that my brain just can't access right now?
EDIT: Liable! Whew, my brain feels better.
Razin'frazin' that's still some money. At least it is substantially less than he was used to. Little may he enjoy it in the fed pen.
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In August and September of 2007, I was working for a multi-campus school called High Tech Institute, and I was sent to teach Algebra and Computer Applications at the Las Vegas campus.
The HTI campus is about a block away from the Palace Station Hotel and Casino where the crime took place, and, as it turns out, that's the hotel where HTI paid for me to stay during my weeks teaching there.
So, I've got to ask: Who the hell tries to commit a crime in a Las Vegas casino hotel??
The casino hotels are the most secure (that is to say, heavily-monitored) places in America. From the time OJ and his Amazing Friends stepped out of their cars in the parking lot, until they walked out of the hotel hallways and shut the door behind them, they joined the rest of the guests under complete electronic surveillance.
Even if his boys had "successfully" robbed the "memorabilia" people, the victims could have just called down to the lobby, reported the crime, and the security monitors would keep track of the thieves until they reached the lobby, where the heavily armed security staff would have taken them down.
Isn't it conceivable that OJ wanted to get caught, convicted, and sent to jail? Isn't it possible that his guilty subconscious predisposed him to make choices that would ultimately land him in prison? There was never any question, in my mind (and I watched every single day of the trial on courtTV), of his guilt in the double homicide 13 years ago. I suspect that deep down, where any last shred of humanity might yet dwell, OJ wanted to be punished for the wrongs he had done. That is the only reason I can think of for committing armed robbery and kidnapping in a Las Vegas hotel. Either that or gross stupidity.
Guilty Conscious
Yeah, Torc, I think its a reasonable possibility, and I entertained it. Still, I kind of feel like the God-complex might not be more probable. "I'm OJ Simpson, you can't move on to another guy. I'm OJ, you can't have my woman. I'm OJ, I can take my stuff no matter what. I'm OJ, I'll never be convicted"...whoops.
Is it conceivable that OJ wanted to get caught, convicted, and sent to jail? Isn't it possible that his guilty subconscious predisposed him to make choices that would ultimately land him in prison? There was never any question, in my mind (and I watched every single day of the trial on courtTV), of his guilt in the double homicide 13 years ago. I suspect that deep down, where any last shred of humanity might yet dwell, OJ wanted to be punished for the wrongs he had done. That is the only reason I can think of for committing armed robbery and kidnapping in a Las Vegas hotel. Either that or gross stupidity.
I'm betting on gross stupidity.
I'm betting on gross stupidity.
Heh, heh, when human agency is involved, that's a pretty safe bet.
Heh, heh, when human agency is involved, that's a pretty safe bet.I'm betting on gross stupidity.
Especially when you're name is OJ. Seriously, I don't understand people
who have everything in life given to them on a platter and they throw itall away because they don't have any self-control. I flat out don't get
it.
Especially when you're name is OJ. Seriously, I don't understand people
who have everything in life given to them on a platter and they throw it
all away because they don't have any self-control. I flat out don't get
it.
It's not like he's had everything given to him on a platter. There's no silver spoon in that mouth and he obviously had to work to achieve what he did in college football and the NFL.
Still doesn't mean he developed a decent amount of self-control. Still doesn't mean that, because of his achievements in sports, he didn't overdevelop a sense of entitlement. But everything in life given to him on a silver platter? Not at all.