Tales from the End of the World (AD&D 2e, Complete Book of Humanoids)

Game Master Alathea Sedai

You are playing races that are typically evil, but your characters don't have to be evil. (It's no different than if you're playing a game with the core races, where you can still play evil elves and dwarves and whatnot.) That said, a paladin still must be lawful good. As for causing issues with the rest of the party, I guess that depends on the party. (I'd hope that the party isn't the "I kill all NPCs and attack my fellow party members because I'm EVUL!!!" kind of group.)

While one of the tenets of being a paladin is that a paladin cannot tolerate characters who do evil in their presences, I'd say that any paladins amongst the People must have developed a higher tolerance of evil considering the predilections of the society around them. They certainly won't be happy about evil done in their presence, and will still try to set a better example and convert for the cause of good, but there aren't too many other options. After all, what's the point of serving as an example of good and trying to convert others if there's no evil to convert?

So yes, there's nothing stopping you from playing a lawful good paladin. It'll certainly make the game interesting for you (not in the ancient Chinese proverb style, and hopefully in a good way!).

Thats cool can you post up the Hobgoblin stats then please? I will just change my story to because I was so persecuted by humans I am trying to prove them wrong by not being the way they expect me to be.

With having a Fighter/Theif I think I will feel overshadowed as a plain fighter. At least Pally will be different.

That sounds reasonable to me, Gandrik. I'll post the stats for the hobgoblin when I get home, then.

Here you go, Gandrick:

Hobgoblin, as per The Complete Book of Humanoids

-1 charisma

Strength: 6 minimum, 18 maximum
Dexterity: 6 minimum, 18 maximum
Constitution: 5 minimum, 18 maximum
Intelligence: 3 minimum, 18 maximum
Wisdom: 3 minimum, 18 maximum
Charisma: 3 minimum, 14 maximum ...remember, you may have a charisma score greater than your racial maximum, in which case your charisma will be your racial maximum to all other races and your actual score to your own race.

infravision to 60 feet

detect new construction, sloping passages, and shifting walls while underground 40% of the time

languages: hobgoblin, orc, goblin, common

I want to use my 2nd set of stats to write up a Goblin thief. Can you post the Goblin stats from the book of humanoids for me? meanwhile I will work on his back story.

A goblin thief should be fine, Stephen. I'm glad you've joined us!

Goblin, as per The Complete Book of Humanoids

-1 strength, -1 charisma

Strength: 4 minimum, 15 maximum
Dexterity: 4 minimum, 17 maximum
Constitution: 5 minimum, 16 maximum
Intelligence: 3 minimum, 18 maximum
Wisdom: 3 minimum, 18 maximum
Charisma: 3 minimum, 12 maximum ...remember, you may have a charisma score greater than your racial maximum, in which case your charisma will be your racial maximum to all other races and your actual score to your own race.

infravision to 60 feet

detect new and unusual construction while underground 25% of the time

-1 to attack rolls while in bright sunlight

languages: goblin, kobold, orc, hobgoblin, common

I look forward to seeing what you come up with for a backstory!

I don't see any problem with a paladin. I'm playing Joe average neutral with evil tendencies.... so an average person. That's evil tendencies not NE.

Fixed the problem with my weapon profs

As a fighter/thief, I don't think you can specialize, Skarvek. I believe that that's only an option for single-class fighters.

As a fighter/thief, I don't think you can specialize, Skarvek. I believe that that's only an option for single-class fighters.

I thought the same thing but when I looked it up I read it as you could. One reason I figured I would play something other than a flat fighter as I gained no benifit at all from it...

I thought the same thing but when I looked it up I read it as you could. One reason I figured I would play something other than a flat fighter as I gained no benifit at all from it...

Hmm, I could be wrong. Could you give me a reference, please?

Um...Of the top of my head I looked at the multi class rules in the 2ed Players handbook and it said you get the benefits of both classes. It is almost double xp to level up and you get half of the hit points for both, and casting in armor is the same and what not. Other then that I think everything is the same.

All right, Gandrik, it appears that you are correct. I could have sworn I saw it somewhere, but I looked through the weapon specialization section in the proficiencies chapter, and I couldn't find anything about multiclass fighters being ineligible to specialize. Good catch.

Skarvek, please ignore my previous post about being ineligible for weapon specialization; your character looks good.

Not a problem. 5d4 ⇒ (3, 4, 2, 4, 3) = 16 ok 160 gp to spend. Can't believe I haven't gotten to equipment till now.

A wimp even by goblin standards, Toadwart became thief out of necessity. His heartless mother left him to die alone under a fish stall when he was just a wee little bundle of ravenous, serrated teeth. Surviving on morsels of fish heads, spines, and guts, he turned out to be among the unkillable germs of the gutters of Zurogh, pilfering whatever he could get his hands grubby, stubby hands on and eating what nobody else could stomach anyway.

He is a local who knows how to hide, get a quick snack, and avoid getting his skull smashed in by anyone bigger than him (I.e. everyone).

That sounds pretty good, Stephen. It's good to see you again; I was hoping you hadn't disappeared!

Yep finals had me busy but I'm definitely still on board. I've never played 2nd Ed and am curious. I still have to make a character sheet and post.

Ah, finals. I remember the pain. And congratulations for wanting to try AD&D 2e!

Another question about your characters:

• What does your character do in Zurogh?

Are any of you interested in coming up with shared backstory for your characters? If so, feel free to discuss such things here.

So, I've been working on a map of Zurogh and the surroundings. I'll post it when I'm satisfied with it, probably within the next few days. In the meantime, here's a relevant picture I did, just for fun...

Gothron Stormfist, Empress

Does anyone know how to link a picture so that it shows in the post itself? I don't think that that's possible here (and probably by design), but maybe I've missed something...

Still here so ya know.

Thanks, Skarvek. Yes, I'm still here, too. Last week was pretty busy...

So, it looks like we still have only two players. Unless, Stephen, you're still around. If so, please post and update us on Toadwart, assuming that finals aren't completely crushing you.

If you're still willing to play, Skarvek and Gandrik, I'm cool with starting the game with only the two of you. I'm okay with a small party, and hopefully we'll get more interest if we've got an active game going. Would you be interested in doing this? If so, I'll create a gameplay thread and get you started.

I'm guessing it is pretty safe to say this game has died before it even got a chance to begin. :(