oathbound(wyrms/undeath) warrior of the holy light
Buffed::
Defense
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AC 25, touch 11, flat-footed 25 (+10 armor, +2 shield, 0 Dex, +2 Natural Armor, +1 deflection)
hp 91 (7d10+21)
Fort +13, Ref 7, Will +10/+14 vs fear
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Offense
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Speed 60ft.
Bab +7/2
reach 10
Melee Gore +12(1d6+3 or 2d6+5 on a charge)
+1cold iron Longsword +15/10/15
266+7 19-20 x2
2handed 2d6+9 19-20 x2
ac 23
Str 20, Dex 8, Con 16, Int 6, Wis 10, Cha 19
CMB +12; CMD 22/23Fl
MIttens lays his hands on him sending the bison god's blessing into him closing some of his wounds. He also places his sword and shield in a defensive manner
lay on hands:3d6 ⇒ (5, 1, 2) = 8
went to total defense right now ac of 29, might not help but mittens wont back down
Out the corner of her eye, Caitlyn noticed seven heads mauling Mittens. As fur and blood flew she hacked her sword into one of the remaining heads. The screech of metal was beyond painful added to the agonized hiss of the Hydra. With both hands she plunged her sword into the same wound, worked the blade back and forwards as she sliced and yet another head fell to the floor with a metallic clang!
Up on Celestia, Paladine is playing Vampire: The Masquerade with Mishakal. The prayer bell rings.
Mishakal: You going to get that? Paladine: Nah. Never liked those people. Mishakal: Really? Paladine: Seriously. Mishakal: I mean, I put my disks down there for a reason. Paladine: No one asked you to do that.
Hydra ACs: 27, T8, F26, SR 16, Immune fire; fast healing 22
Round 5 Time for a risk. A now larger Jakun swoops in at one of the heads to distract it and takes several shots at it with his staff from mid-air.
Mittens lays his hands on him sending the bison god's blessing into him closing some of his wounds. He also places his sword and shield in a defensive manner, to ward off further blows
Out the corner of her eye, Caitlyn noticed seven heads mauling Mittens. As fur and blood flew she hacked her sword into one of the remaining heads. The screech of metal was beyond painful added to the agonized hiss of the Hydra. With both hands she plunged her sword into the same wound, worked the blade back and forwards as she sliced and yet another head fell to the floor with a metallic clang! Three heads fell. Four remained.
From his position in the shadows, flanking the hydra, Thistletorp lashes out with both of his swords. The blades slashed into the body with vigor, each severing a neck almost at its root. Staggering under the onslaught, the creature roared with its one remaining head and flames kindled within just as Loren cut it free. Thistle did enough damage to the body to put it down. :)
HP 70| Init: +9| Perc:+12/+14 traps/+12 surprise | AC 22/ T20/FF14/Tr 24 Uncanny Dodge Fort +5 | Ref +13 (+15 traps) | Will +3 | immune to fear | Evasion | +27 Stealth
Thistletorp giggled and cleaned his tiny swords. "Gee that was fun! We should find more of these to play with again!" His voice is muffled inside Jakun's larger pocket.
Caitlyn went flop for a couple of minutes, the sweat had drenched her and she felt weak and shaky as the adrenalin wore off. It was always like this after a battle, she always felt numb and beaten up - even if the full extent of her injuries where blisters on her hands from swinging a lump of metal against another lump of metal.
Once her breathing has slowed enough for speech she asked, "Do you suppose this was guarding something?"
Jakun grins, "Excellent. Give these heads another smashing my friends, just in case".
DM, anyway we can dissect it a bit to get some adamantine? We could use it to forge some weapons later!
It's mostly just iron, but if you want to spend a few hours and make a Arcana roll I'll let you have enough adamantine from the innards to do something. Let's say DC 20 for a one-handed light weapon, 25 for a regular one-hander. 30 for a two-handed weapon. If you want armor instead, start at 25 (for a buckler) and go up in increments of 10. But there's only so much adamantine in there and recoverable. You can roll once.
Also since I just realized that the map is ambiguous for having to handle multiple levels in one dimension...
As wounds are healed, the Companions take stock. They stand on the bottom of a tall chamber, two floors of balconies on each of the four walls above them. They descended from the highest level. Before them are four archways, each in line with the balconies above.
The northern and western archways led to no more than dead ends. The east and south opened on corridors that led to a flight of ascending stars east and a similar flight descending south.
Male Minotaur - Wizard 3 (T) - HP 21/26 | AC= 12 | CMD = 14 | Init +10 |F - +4|R - +3|W - +3|Per + 2/+4 || Hero P 1 +2 Perception & Sense Notice when Kossel w/in 10'
Samnell wrote:
It's mostly just iron, but if you want to spend a few hours and make a Arcana roll I'll let you have enough adamantine from the innards to do something. Let's say DC 20 for a one-handed light weapon, 25 for a regular one-hander. 30 for a two-handed weapon. If you want armor instead, start at 25 (for a buckler) and go up in increments of 10. But there's only so much adamantine in there and recoverable. You can roll once.
Jakun looks at the lump and turns to his companions, "With the right time and care I could possibly extract metal to forge an adamantine weapon. Shall we explore first and then come back to it?"
He turns to the Ladies, "I concur, it must be guarding something, the question is, is it guarding our prize or something else? I would wager something else. The key fell at the end of the Dwarfgate Wars before this place exploded as a result of Fistandantilus' magic, whatever he was casting. There may well be something besides what we seek worth finding down here.
Tell me Thistle, you sniff out treasure with the best "handlers", which way should we go?"
HP 70| Init: +9| Perc:+12/+14 traps/+12 surprise | AC 22/ T20/FF14/Tr 24 Uncanny Dodge Fort +5 | Ref +13 (+15 traps) | Will +3 | immune to fear | Evasion | +27 Stealth
Thistletorp grins "Whee!! this'll be fun!" He giggles and slips into the darkness before silently exploring both stairways. He looks for fun traps, or even better, fun new playmates, always keeping to the shadows and moving as quiet as possible.
Thistletorp grins "Whee!! this'll be fun!" He giggles and slips into the darkness before silently exploring both stairways. He looks for fun traps, or even better, fun new playmates, always keeping to the shadows and moving as quiet as possible.
[dice=sneak sneak sneak]1d20+27
[dice=perceptive peepers perceptively peeping]1d20+12 +2 more vs traps.
The eastern stairs take Thistle up to the highest level of balconies, coming out exactly opposite where the Innfellows first entered the chamber.
The southern flight led to a far more interesting room. There stood a grotesque statue of a man with a single, huge eye. To either side of the status were imposing, bronze double doors.
HP 70| Init: +9| Perc:+12/+14 traps/+12 surprise | AC 22/ T20/FF14/Tr 24 Uncanny Dodge Fort +5 | Ref +13 (+15 traps) | Will +3 | immune to fear | Evasion | +27 Stealth
Thistletorp was going to explore the room, but he toght better of it. Maybe his friends would want to have fun, too! he slipped back down the stairs and told everyone else what he'd found.
"Statue eh?" replied Caitlyn sounding more chipper than she felt, "Very well how bad could that possibly be?" Of course she immediately regretted thees foolish words, considering where they where - the answer to that was so awful it didn't bear thinking about.
HP 70| Init: +9| Perc:+12/+14 traps/+12 surprise | AC 22/ T20/FF14/Tr 24 Uncanny Dodge Fort +5 | Ref +13 (+15 traps) | Will +3 | immune to fear | Evasion | +27 Stealth
"I can go and search them!! Lots of times, statues have found thigns that got lost in people's pockets!"
Thistletorp jumps down from Mitten's pack. "You lost this.." He tries to pick up the minotaur's sword, but only manages to drag it towards the paladin. "I found it. You really should keep a better eye on your things. They're very sneaky, always wandering off like that.."
He climbs up to Mittens' head and thinks. "I'll go exploring again!!"
He bounds up the stairs, and searches the statutes and doors of the room
"I can go and search them!! Lots of times, statues have found thigns that got lost in people's pockets!"
Thistletorp jumps down from Mitten's pack. "You lost this.." He tries to pick up the minotaur's sword, but only manages to drag it towards the paladin. "I found it. You really should keep a better eye on your things. They're very sneaky, always wandering off like that.."
He climbs up to Mittens' head and thinks. "I'll go exploring again!!"
He bounds up the stairs, and searches the statutes and doors of the room
[dice=stealth]1d20+27
[dice=perception]1d20+14
It's down the stairs. ")
Thistle marks that the eye seems to follow him as he goes toward the doors, and the statue frowned as he approached the eastern and smiling when he went to the western doors. His keen senses detected faint shimmers about both doors and the statue, glinting light out of place in the cold dark of Skullcap.
Jakun steps to the edge of the room and casts Detect Magic observing everything especially the statue. Perception 1d20+10
Jakun doesn't see anything out of the ordinary, save for the statue's eye following any who draw near either set of doors. His magic shows better, revealing moderate abjuration about both doors and the eye.
HP 70| Init: +9| Perc:+12/+14 traps/+12 surprise | AC 22/ T20/FF14/Tr 24 Uncanny Dodge Fort +5 | Ref +13 (+15 traps) | Will +3 | immune to fear | Evasion | +27 Stealth
Samnell wrote:
Thistletorp Babblebrook wrote:
"I can go and search them!! Lots of times, statues have found thigns that got lost in people's pockets!"
Thistletorp jumps down from Mitten's pack. "You lost this.." He tries to pick up the minotaur's sword, but only manages to drag it towards the paladin. "I found it. You really should keep a better eye on your things. They're very sneaky, always wandering off like that.."
He climbs up to Mittens' head and thinks. "I'll go exploring again!!"
He bounds up the stairs, and searches the statutes and doors of the room
[dice=stealth]1d20+27
[dice=perception]1d20+14
It's down the stairs. ")
Thistle marks that the eye seems to follow him as he goes toward the doors, and the statue frowned as he approached the eastern and smiling when he went to the western doors. His keen senses detected faint shimmers about both doors and the statue, glinting light out of place in the cold dark of Skullcap.
Do the expressions of the statues actually change? Or, is the statue smiling on the west, and frowning at the east
Caitlyn watches on impassively, her hands resting lightly on the hilt of her hammer. Such investigations as Jackun was performing were beyond her Ken. Still magic often lead to trouble, when the other shoue dropped she'd be ready.
"I can go and search them!! Lots of times, statues have found thigns that got lost in people's pockets!"
Thistletorp jumps down from Mitten's pack. "You lost this.." He tries to pick up the minotaur's sword, but only manages to drag it towards the paladin. "I found it. You really should keep a better eye on your things. They're very sneaky, always wandering off like that.."
He climbs up to Mittens' head and thinks. "I'll go exploring again!!"
He bounds up the stairs, and searches the statutes and doors of the room
[dice=stealth]1d20+27
[dice=perception]1d20+14
It's down the stairs. ")
Thistle marks that the eye seems to follow him as he goes toward the doors, and the statue frowned as he approached the eastern and smiling when he went to the western doors. His keen senses detected faint shimmers about both doors and the statue, glinting light out of place in the cold dark of Skullcap.
Do the expressions of the statues actually change? Or, is the statue smiling on the west, and frowning at the east
The expression actually changes, though it's subtle. It's just enough that Thistle is sure it's not just a trick of perspective or focus.
Knowledge Arcana or Spellcraft to identify the effects.
KA 1d20+10 SC 1d20+12
It's Arcana.
Jakun is fairly sure, on examinging the auras, that they are all independent instances of the same effect. He believes it to be a stronger than usual dispelling.
Male Minotaur - Wizard 3 (T) - HP 21/26 | AC= 12 | CMD = 14 | Init +10 |F - +4|R - +3|W - +3|Per + 2/+4 || Hero P 1 +2 Perception & Sense Notice when Kossel w/in 10'
"One is as good as another. Let us go to the eastern doors, we cannot worry about the displeasure as expressed by the statue after all it could be there to lure us into a trap".
Jakun approaches the door to open it. Assuming Thistle states that it is not trapped.
"One is as good as another. Let us go to the eastern doors, we cannot worry about the displeasure as expressed by the statue after all it could be there to lure us into a trap".
Jakun approaches the door to open it. Assuming Thistle states that it is not trapped.
Hi, players. Here's the discussion thread, where we can handle heavy OOC stuff and other such blather. A few things.
Automatic Bonus Progression We talked about it a bit in the recruitment thread and I said I'd raise it here. If you're generally of a mind to switch over to that, I'm cool with it. I'd go with the sense of the party, since I think it would end up confusing for all of us in the long run if some PCs used it and some didn't.
Some Canon Notes I looked through the backstories and wanted to set a few things down more clearly before we dove in. These aren't huge deals, I just want us all on the same setting page. Which does not have a number because it's a metaphorical page. Not one of the numbered ones the Solamnics use to wrangle their codpieces.
1) The Dragonarmies are not presently common knowledge anywhere around Abanasinia. They are active, and about to become much more so, but unless your PC was on the far end of the continent in the last two or three years it's very unlikely that you've heard anything except vague rumors about some kind of war out in the east.
2) Even if you have heard of the dragonarmies, nobody has seen a dragon in living memory. It's been about 1300 years, so even very old elves don't have any firsthand knowledge of them. Most people think they've either all died or were a myth from the beginning.
3) You are, of course, sans divine magic for the present. Even the devout of the Old Gods aren't so gifted yet. I think everyone's clear on that, but it's worth a mention considering how things will go. :)
Hook Stuff I am using the "gone five years looking for signs of gods" deal. It doesn't have to be a literal five years and you needn't have gone far, but rather than have some PCs start up while others have to wait for the story to get going I'm going to run with the idea that the appointed day of meeting is at hand. If you've been back in town for a while, then you were out of town for some reason for a fair part of the day and are on your way back in for the big reunion.
I don't think any of that should pinch backstories too hard.
Aliases! Please set up your aliases if you haven't already. Sheets on the profile page, etc. If you're not sure what I'm looking for there, here's an example from my other PBP.
Formatting Stuff I'd like for you to use quotation marks and bold text for things your PC says aloud. They help it stand out better and distinguish from thoughts, which you can put in italics if you mean them to be word-for-word. Stage directions, description, etc, can go in as regular text. Use the ooc tags for rules questions, clarification, etc.
For example:
Samnell flounced into the tavern and whined, "This guy's historiography sucks! Honestly, I'd rather read proslavery propaganda."There is something deeply wrong with me.
Good? Questions? We've got a whole thread here for 'em. :)
HP 70| Init: +9| Perc:+12/+14 traps/+12 surprise | AC 22/ T20/FF14/Tr 24 Uncanny Dodge Fort +5 | Ref +13 (+15 traps) | Will +3 | immune to fear | Evasion | +27 Stealth
"Hiya! I'm Thistletorp Babblebrook!" A diminutive kender waves at everyone he sees. "How are you!?" The words come out so fast they seem to almost be a single sound.
Caitlyn was late, as usual. Of course tonight was the much vaunted five year meeting, being late would be bad so she ran lightly with her firey red hair trailing behind her. Up ahead was her adopted step sister, pulling along side her she grinned, "Hey Mariel, Thomas couldn't make it. Ma and Pa are looking after Justin and Thomas is looking after them. Of course that doesn't mean he isn't thinking of you, he is trust me. Did I mention he's real fond of you? Anyway he asked me to take care of you tonight, so here I am!" To underline this, Caitlyn claps Mariel on the back, which probably hurts since Caitlyn doesn't know her own strength.
Thanks for being selected, I'm looking forward to this! I quite like the idea of either virtual loot by wbl or the unchained progression. Whatever frees us from needing a loot spreadsheet is good by me!
Male Minotaur - Wizard 3 (T) - HP 21/26 | AC= 12 | CMD = 14 | Init +10 |F - +4|R - +3|W - +3|Per + 2/+4 || Hero P 1 +2 Perception & Sense Notice when Kossel w/in 10'
Jakun checking in.
"Ah Thistletorp, there you are. I am looking forward to meeting your friends in this town, what was it called Solace? From there though I will need to journey to Wayreth. If you wish you could come with me, I am sure the Wizards would love to have a Kender around the tower..."
F AC 14, touch 10, flat-footed 14 (+4 armor) hp 65 (7d8+9) Fort +6, Ref +2, Will +9; +2 vs. enchantments Immune sleep
Looking sadly at Caitlyn "Your brother, and my friend, will be missed. I hope that our time in Solamnia did not break his spirit. I will remember him and your family in my prayers tonight to the Seeker gods" she says.
HP 70| Init: +9| Perc:+12/+14 traps/+12 surprise | AC 22/ T20/FF14/Tr 24 Uncanny Dodge Fort +5 | Ref +13 (+15 traps) | Will +3 | immune to fear | Evasion | +27 Stealth
"Hiya Jakun!" The tiny kender bounces over to stare up at the minotaur wizard and waves. "Whatcha been up to? I was here, waiting for you. Before then, I was over there..." He points vaguely north. This could mean that he was at the other end of the common room, the other side of town, or Nordmarr. Knowing Thistletorp, however, it probably meant that he was in Sancrist or talking himself out of a hobgoblin cook pot. Possibly while in Sancrist. "It was fun! There was a cook pot! I jumped in to see what was inside, because they said it was stew.. But, it could also have been jewels, or a very small tiger. Or gems. Whatever was in there certainly didn't belong in there, and they would have lost it! Or, at the very least, they would have cooked their gems and tigers! I'm pretty sure nothing would have happened to the gems that could have been in the cook pot, but the stew wouldn't have tasted very good. Maybe it would have. I should find someone to make gem stew and see how it tastes. But, that poor tiger! If it had been in the cook pot, it would have been cooked! That wouldn't have been good at all."
He nods emphatically and crosses his arms. "So, I needed to go in to the cook pot! Then, they put the lid on! That was fun, but very hot. I burnt my finger and toes." He held up perfectly undamaged fingers and tried to hold up his toes as well. It didn't work out very well. "They wouldn't let me out, but, finally, I tricked them. Hobgoblins are silly! They're great to play jokes on! They didn't think so, though. They don't have very good senses of humor, you know. And, that's why I had to leave Hilo."
He grins rocks back and forth on the balls of his feet. "You still have your horns! That's good. I'm glad you didn't lose them! I tried to grow my own horns, and that's why I ended up in HIlo. It didn't work out well. I ended up in a hobgoblin cookpot."
HP 70| Init: +9| Perc:+12/+14 traps/+12 surprise | AC 22/ T20/FF14/Tr 24 Uncanny Dodge Fort +5 | Ref +13 (+15 traps) | Will +3 | immune to fear | Evasion | +27 Stealth
Oh probably! Jakun is a very distinguished and respected sort of minotaur, after all. He has horns, and horns make people seem distinguished and respectable. Except for demons and Devils. They're not ver distinguished, or respectable. Dragons are, though, and they have horns.
Whoa sorry didn't see that this went live. I've had a whirlwind of a busy day and I'm just getting in (at 2:49am EST). As much as I'd love to dive head first into this game, I've gotta be up by 6:30 to drive my partner to work and I'm just about ready to collapse. I will make a post tomorrow, I promise.
Whoa sorry didn't see that this went live. I've had a whirlwind of a busy day and I'm just getting in (at 2:49am EST). As much as I'd love to dive head first into this game, I've gotta be up by 6:30 to drive my partner to work and I'm just about ready to collapse. I will make a post tomorrow, I promise.
Oh I just realized Thistletorp is from Solace too. I'm wondering why she wouldn't have recognized him. Maybe Caitlyn's strict parents didn't let her mix with kender.
HP 27/60| Init +8| Perc +5| AC 18/T12/ FF13| Fort +5 Ref +3 Will +2
So I'm probably being super dense, but what exactly is going on with starting gear/wealth?
Also, turns out what I read so long ago was The War of Souls. Not sure how relevant that part of Dragonlance will be. I'm not too keen on the languages. What languages would a human who grew up among minotaurs know?
So I'm probably being super dense, but what exactly is going on with starting gear/wealth?
Guess I should probably do some counting and figure it out.
For bonus progression, with consequent reduced gear budget:
Taina
Gavin
Thistletorp (but doesn't want to redo his gear)
Neutral:
Mariel (either doing things as they stand now or doing bonus progression result in the elimination of loot tracking spreadsheets)
No ballot cast:
Caitlyn
Jakun
That looks like a go-ahead, unless someone has a strong but hitherto unvoiced objection.
Gavin Carroway wrote:
Also, turns out what I read so long ago was The War of Souls. Not sure how relevant that part of Dragonlance will be. I'm not too keen on the languages. What languages would a human who grew up among minotaurs know?
I've never read the War of Souls stuff...but it shouldn't matter too much. The game is a fair bit before it all begins in continuity. Main thing is that there currently aren't any giant dragon overlords running large sections of the continent. Dragons of all sorts are presently absent, but you'll see some soon enough.
You know how the game assumes you have certain items at certain levels? That's usually handled with your wealth by level, with the assumption that players will get the right stuff. Most players do: magic weapons, armor, +stat items, etc. But some don't or get irritated that they need to spend a bunch of their allegedly discretionary funds on de facto required gear.
So the bonus progression just gives you those bonuses as you gain levels, and in exchange you get half as much gp to allot to whatever you like. There's a table of the bonuses. You spend the other half of your gp on whatever you like, with a couple of exceptions:
1) Items that only grant a bonus to to AC, saves, or abilities don't exist.
2) Magic weapons and armor still exist, but they don't give you bonuses. They just add special abilities. So instead of having to get a +1 sword before you can get flaming, you can just buy flaming for the cost of its +X modifier.
The party is fifth level, so the bonuses would be:
+1 resistance to all saves (bonus types are still a thing)
armor & weapon attunement +1
Pick a weapon and a piece of armor. They're +1 for you now. You can designate normal clothes as armor for this.
deflection +1
You get a +1 deflection bonus to your AC.
So to implement this, you would add these bonuses to your sheet, remove any items that no longer exist or function differently under the rule (magic weapons and armor for the latter), and then take half the wealth by level you previously allocated gear with and reassign it however you like.
You'll probably end up slightly ahead, but if you invested in a lot of high-ticket items then you might have to give something up.
In principle the automatic bonus progression sounds fine, but I dislike waiting till level 7 to get +2 strength. As usual pathfinder design favours casters over martials.
I'll vote against but will follow the majority decision.
Edit: I thought I'd expand on this slightly. Like many people I'm not keen on all the accounting for loot. Also I agree the "big six" are boring, and stop players from using a lot of oddball fun items. Likewise I would prefer if magic items were special where you only had a few of them.
In theory automatic bonus progression fixes most of this. The problem to my mind is they chose a one size fits all implementation (probably due to lack of space) where one group of classes gets a stat bump before another. I would have preferred everyone to get the main stat bump at the same time.
i boughted 2 magic swords.. so how does that work?
You can apply your weapon attunement bonus to one of them. The other one can still be masterwork. At 8th level, you can split your +2 bonus into two +1 bonuses and have both.
How would this interact with treasure found if it is better than we have?
I assume you can still sell for half price just like normal. But the cool thing is you'd do this less often since you don't need to ditch a +1 weapon because you found a +2 weapon. You probably would ditch a fiery long sword for a keen flame burst one however.
This table is a guide, it shows the typical wealth for normal games. If we adopt the automatic bonus progression then we'd have half as much.
Table: Character Wealth by Level
PC Level* Wealth
2 1,000 gp
3 3,000 gp
4 6,000 gp
5 10,500 gp
6 16,000 gp
7 23,500 gp
8 33,000 gp
9 46,000 gp
10 62,000 gp
11 82,000 gp
12 108,000 gp
13 140,000 gp
14 185,000 gp
15 240,000 gp
16 315,000 gp
17 410,000 gp
18 530,000 gp
19 685,000 gp
20 880,000 gp
F AC 14, touch 10, flat-footed 14 (+4 armor) hp 65 (7d8+9) Fort +6, Ref +2, Will +9; +2 vs. enchantments Immune sleep
So right now I would have 10500 gp give or takel(haven't bought anything but standard stuff) I could have a cloak of resistance +1 and Armor or Robes +1?
If we tried it, at level 5 we would have 5250g to spend on stuff and built in +1 resistance and +1 armor and +1 weapon.
So you could have a cloak of elven kind instead of a boring cloak of resistance which most people feel obliged to get. You can also get an Aegis of Recovery instead of a necklace of natural armor. Being able to use overlooked items is nice.
On the negative side, you can't have a flaming weapon till level 9 which is later than usual.
Re +1 stat at level 4, 8, 12, 16, I think we still get that.
On the negative side, you can't have a flaming weapon till level 9 which is later than usual.
On a closer look I think I may have misunderstood that. It seems you could have a +0 flaming sword or even a vorpal one (that sounds ridiculous to me, I shall go and find out if there have been any published corrections).
Rules wrote:
If a character doesn't have enough of an enhancement bonus to afford the special ability (such as a 4th-level character with a vorpal longsword), she can still use the weapon's power on its own, but the weapon gains no enhancement bonus.
For example, a flame tongue is normally worth 20,715 gp, but under this system, it would lose its +1 enhancement bonus and its price would be reduced to 18,715 gp.
Ah you have to pay for the enchantments, so its impossible for a level 4 character to get a vorpal weapon since its too expensive. That's good.
On the other hand, a player who wants a flaming burst sword and has an attunement bonus of +2 will pay 8000gp and end up with a basic +0 flaming burst sword, spending about 34% of a level 9 character's wealth. In comparison, a player who pays nothing has a 2 sword, which can be considered to have equivalent power to the flaming burst sword. That's not so good.
I like the idea of it, I just don't like the implementation.
Actually I think if anything its better than the default system for a low magic world since you won't be selling a +2 cloak you just got in favor of a +3 cloak.
I still like the idea of virtual loot because it frees us from having to put everything we find in a spreadsheet and faffing about searching for ye olde magic shoppe which definitely doesn't fit krynn.
On the other hand I don't know how a Dragonlance fits into this, or an orb of dragonkind. Those are iconic things you need to find as part of the plot.
HP 70| Init: +9| Perc:+12/+14 traps/+12 surprise | AC 22/ T20/FF14/Tr 24 Uncanny Dodge Fort +5 | Ref +13 (+15 traps) | Will +3 | immune to fear | Evasion | +27 Stealth
i've played this in a Wrath of the Righteous game, it's not that bad, actually.
1) no loot arguing (i've seen games collapse because people were childish at the dinner table)
2) way more customization. Personally i hate ability boost items since they're boring, and they're extremely tedious if you lose them: feat re-writes (which may negate entire builds and concepts); spell totals; skill, save, attack, damage, hitpoint, and feat recalcs; casting parameters; most of those change if gear is lost or sold.
3) on a personal note, i always end up behind the curve on treasure, unless I'm a caster. Probably because casters really need so very little gear to dominate. But for warriors? I NEVER get the right weapon or armor for my build, even when loot is tailored for the party. It's either too late, or not enough because it needed to balance the others' gear. Or, there are like 2 or 3 other melee types in the mix and they could use the boosts as much as I could and so, one of us defers with the expectation something will come along the way, which necessitates a discussion with others. As a GM, I've never seen gear track the way it's supposed to by level.
4) because loot is sold for 1/2 of what it's worth, you never see the total by level on the chart. So, you're forced to either keep an item that really doesn't work for you, or you're forced to sell it at a loss, which reduces your overall PC wealth.
1. No loot arguments! -- Sign me up!
2. Agreed big-6 are boring
3. I agree that it's super easy for casters to end up ahead of WBL. Like you say, even if they are (deliberately) behind WBL they are still strong (e.g. my Arcanist from an Iron Gods games on these boards).
4. Mathematically speaking you are right, still it never bothered me which is strange in a way.
Anyway if the majority want to go with APB then so be it.
