
Steve the Cat |

Sorry folks! Bit of family matters kept me away from the DM chair these past couple days but I'm back and ready for action. I'm caught up on the discussion thread and I don't think I saw any questions for me, so get ready for either a standing ovation or a large amount of rotten vegetables from the noble citizens of Tent City!

Sergislav the Strong |

:p That's how bad Sergei's act was! It derailed the whole thing, and it wasn't even an act! It was just a transition!
Maaaan. Sergei is being less popular here than he would like!

Zathyl Sathis |

Hey, like we said, we just give them a taste (hopefully something I don't have to live up to) and give them a real show later on. It was just a warmup and you were fine.
Also, don't let those barbarians bother you. I know you're stronger than they are!

Sergislav the Strong |

Also, if someone with Handle Animal would be so kind: One of our horses having 'Entertain' or 'Perform' and 'Serve' as tricks would do a great deal of good for the acts as a whole. Like horse lifting. :P
I just thought of an entire comedy routine regarding Sergei trying to get a horse that's been commanded by Zathyl or Scout to stay to move, and eventually just carrying the horse off stage. :P

Zathyl Sathis |

Actually sounds great. I think both me and Scout should do the training together though. We both don't have that great bonuses when it comes to it ( though they aren't abhorrent).

Zathyl Sathis |

That's good to hear Steve. I'm glad it's all settled.
He keeps to the shadows in his hooded cloak, and shrinks back if anyone approaches.
And the Volo goes over to him and gives him a big hug!.... Just kidding!
But seriously though, I think Veilwar and Zathyl and understand each other when it comes to being cautious and keeping our head down from time to time.

Scout 42 |

There are several different ways we can handle this.
1) Everybody goes to one of the restaurants, Scout included so he can join in the conversation at the table even though he doesn't need to eat. Hopefully all our stuff will still be where we left it when we return.
2) Everybody except Scout raids a restaurant. Scout remains with the wagons keeping an eye on things and taking care of the animals.
3) We split up into two groups and raid restaurants in shifts with one group staying with the wagons.
4) We arrange for the whole group to eat by the wagons.
I don't recommend option 1. Option 2 will work and realistically probably happened quite a bit in times past. It's just boring for me as a player. Option 3 will work, but we're still going to need to get the whole group together to talk about things. I think option 4 is likely the best and likely to be cheaper.

Sergislav the Strong |

I figure 'out to eat' is probably a personal thing. If you want to go to a restaurant, you probably do it alone or with a few friends, whereas just eating a big meal is probably just handled like normal people would handle it.

Zathyl Sathis |

I thought we were just going to go get some ingredients and let Zathyl cook.
Ya, are we just bringing prepared food over or am I going to try and make something? I have a Profession (Cook) of 8, its not like the food's going to be inedible and it might be a lot cheaper.

Simon Saito |

So I was asking my friend that's way better at this game than me about feats. He gave a few nominally helpful suggestions and one I want to ask you guys about.
He told me that taking one level of Tattooed Sorcerer would get me a familiar, and Mage's tattoo for free. It would also let me use the Serpentine bloodline Arcana:
Your powers of compulsion can affect even bestial creatures. Whenever you cast a mind-affecting or language-dependent spell, it affects animals, magical beasts, and monstrous humanoids as if they were humanoids who understood your language.
So that majorly helps the thing that makes Simon useless against anything that isn't human.
But, I've never multiclassed in a real game before. How does that affect my stats?
And since Sergei's thing is tattoos, would you be OK with this? I don't want to step on your feet.
It does say serpentine bloodline, but his familiar would either be a toucan or a thrush for Diplomacy bonus. I like the thrush tattoo image. Bird shapes make good tattoos. So it wouldn't be invading too much on Zathyl's concept. :)

Zathyl Sathis |

.... :P That was the other thing I was gonna do... (the Serpentine bloodline sorcerer if the Druid didn't pan out...).
^-^ Just kidding though. Its fine if you want to multiclass into it. It's actually less snaky and more charmy so it would suit you.
I personally don't like to multiclass. The only times I ever do that is when I am trying to make a specific character and even then I find that they are usually a little bit weaker than a single class (though I have no qualms about certain prestige classes and I guess multiclass characters cover more ground so to speak).

Flying Jack |

Hmm. I'd say there are plenty of reasons a familiar isn't necessary, but if it gets you that many things you like, it might be worth considering. I multiclass some of my characters, and not others (usually depending on the theme of the game—Jack, for instance, will be a straight brawler), but I do so only when I have flavor reasons for it, such as a character trained by other members of the party or with an abandoned past in a mercenary order, etc.

Sergislav the Strong |

Currently, I have no characters that are multiclassed on Paizo, though I have done it before, and intend to do so on one of my current characters. One of the concepts I've used for flavor that I really like and would like to get an actual game for is Sorcerer-> Arcanist. I feel like it's honestly a little bit overpowered, but I did it more for theme reasons. The idea is to study your bloodline so that you control it, not the other way around. The character I currently have that is going to multiclass is a bard. I intend to push them into paladin of shelyn (which only fits more as our fighter has vanished.)

Flying Jack |

Hmm... Sorcerer->Arcanist actually feels underpowered, since you're lowering your spell progression without adding new lists.
And Veilwar: maybe Arcane Trickster? It's pretty good stuff for a stage magician.

Simon Saito |

Arcane trickster seems really confontational.
It seems to me like Veilwar would want to be more focused on ending a conflict without fighting, because his people were hunted as they were. In my mind, some people would actively try to never become like those that hurt them. They still become strong to defend themselves, but in a peaceful way, like he has.
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I like the one level of sorcerer thing just because it covers so many of the bases that would take so many feats to do otherwise.
Could anyone that knows how multiclassing works tell me how it affects my spells, saves, bab, skills, etc?
And do I keep taking the HP points for favored class bonus?

Flying Jack |

It's pretty simple. You don't get a favored class bonus for that level. All class skills for one class beome class skills for all. Other than that, you add your BAB, saves, hp, and have two separate spell lists.

Sergislav the Strong |

Two things there, Jack: Bloodline Development (a single arcanist 'trick') of Arcanist and the level 20 power for everything from an entire sorcerer bloodline, several uses of common first level spells for free... heck, the one I currently have in mind actually goes unlettered anarachist for the witch spells/familiar! It's not great on the levels you'd -normally- get your next level spells, though. :P
Arcane trickster also -really- needs attack spells to be solid beyond the first level (especially of the fireball variety).
Spells/saves/whatever: Just take what the new class says. You don't mix spell lists, they're completely separate.
You only get one favored class unless you're a halfelf, so... you only get the class bonus when you level as a bard.

Flying Jack |

Arcane Trickster doesn't get a ton, but doesn't sacrifice a ton—it's just flavorful, and can lead to somewhat interesting characters. Didn't realize the bloodline thing, I guess that's alright.

Zathyl Sathis |

Ok.... Quick Vote to go set up in the plaza.
I am Neutral towards if we go or not, but if we bust there (make bad rolls or that guy with the ring is tricking us) then it could hurt us more than if we bust in the tent city.

Simon Saito |

Simon made a decent check on telling if he was lying about it or screwing us on it.
I am For the big show. If you're not comfortable with a roll, just take ten. You can do that. :)

Sergislav the Strong |

Sergei is fine with the big show. But he also likes doing shows for the little people. So, while he's cool with the big ticket, he definitely doesn't want to forget their base. :)

Zathyl Sathis |

Simon made a decent check on telling if he was lying about it or screwing us on it.
I am For the big show. If you're not comfortable with a roll, just take ten. You can do that. :)
Sorry, I trust your roll but I don't trust ring guy's roll. If he is a very good swindler or he got very lucky.... I'm just a very cautious person...

Sergislav the Strong |

:p it also shouldn't be based on the roll you got. You should be basing your opinions on the fact that you -trained in a skill and used it-. You would have experience of knowing when a kidder is kidding you. :) If you often get swindled and only realize later... you know you're bad at Sense Motive, etc. etc.
Sense motive is actually one of those skills I hate, because if two people have it, they can get very different vibes.

Simon Saito |

I don't either, mostly because he's a professional gambler. But what's the worst that can happen? If anyone with a badge shows up, we can negotiate. ;)
Town guards are easier than soldiers. ;)

Simon Saito |

The show is tomorrow, so he will have more spells by then. :)
Also, if you look up tattoos for reference, make sure the search excludes the word "infected." >_<

Flying Jack |

As you finish an excellent meal thanks to the efforts of Zathyl, Simon, and surprisingly Slatha
Heh, forgot that Valets got the ability to help with mundane crafting as well. Nice!

Zathyl Sathis |

Steve the Cat wrote:As you finish an excellent meal thanks to the efforts of Zathyl, Simon, and surprisingly SlathaHeh, forgot that Valets got the ability to help with mundane crafting as well. Nice!
Yep. That beautiful little snake gets my ranks in my profession and profession become a class skill for it. Thank you guys for convincing me to use the familiar archetype.

Steve the Cat |

The magic is all being done under the tent for the private shows correct? As long as it's controlled and not used to create a huge public spectacle most of the public/guard would be fine with it.
To clarify, the magic laws in Bard's Gate meant primarily to safeguard the merchants, not cause trouble for your shows.

Zathyl Sathis |

...What con? I'm sorry if I'm being too nosy, but here in Alaska the only "con" I know of is senchi con... No rpg/game/comic conventions here... I also don't have enough money to do short trips into the lower 48. I'm kicking myself for not being able to go to Pax...

Zathyl Sathis |

Well, that's how we say it in Alaska. You can try to make fun of it if you want.... but I'm not sure how to do it either. I've never heard of it any other way up here except that it's the intercontinental U.S.... but that's a mouthful to say.