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This sounds awesome. I'm always excited about being able to play DSP content.
This sounds awesome. I'm always excited about being able to play DSP content.
Not... really sure if this is the high-point of the recruitment for most of us...
Not so much for me. Personally, I'm just thrilled with the prospect of and Orc game, and I've had my eye on Wrath of the Righteous for a good while. The rest is just icing on the cake. And even then, my personal group is so Pazio-Only, I'll probably end up with a Paizo-only character anyway, myself.
That's too bad, you're really missing out.
Psion-Warlord Orc? Yes, please.
For some reason I'm just Jonesed on the idea of a Soulknife (Soulbolt/Gifted Mind)/Elocator//Magus (Mindblade).... Assuming the DM allows PrCing over one half and not the whole shebang. Otherwise, I'll probably drop the Gifted Mind archetype and the Elocator levels.
Ranged options with Soulbolt, melee with Mindblade... And I'm never without a weapon!
I've already pretty much got the orc's personality figured out with those two archetypes. Being that the abilities are a "Gift form the gods", he'd bill himself as (insert orc war god here)'s favored, as (said god) never allows him to be without a weapon in battle. Arrows from (war god) to beat the puny elves at their own game, and grand axes from (war god)'s personal armory to mow down dwarves and demons alike.
Assuming it's all "total-orc" themed of course.
"Orc War God" would be Gorum. He favors a Greatsword, if that matters.
Figured it'd be Gorum, though I recalled reading elsewhere that orcs had their own pantheon. Is that retconned, or never elaborated on and thus the default is indeed Gorum?
Most beautiful thing about the Mindblade Magus for this concept, aside from being spells known, is that it casts spells as psychic spells, no arcane spell failure... So, with my first feat likely going to Heavy Armor Proficiency, spiked full plate is definitely in the planned future.
Are you just going to retrain that Feat at high levels? Since Magi get Heavy armor at 13th.
And/or have you considered going Armored Blade on your Soulknife?
Edit: Nevermind, I don't think that stacks with Soulbolt.
Figured it'd be Gorum, though I recalled reading elsewhere that orcs had their own pantheon. Is that retconned, or never elaborated on and thus the default is indeed Gorum?
Most beautiful thing about the Mindblade Magus for this concept, aside from being spells known, is that it casts spells as psychic spells, no arcane spell failure... So, with my first feat likely going to Heavy Armor Proficiency, spiked full plate is definitely in the planned future.
They elaborated on it in the Belkzen book. It lists them as Dretha, Lanistra, Nulgreth, Selzarian, Varg, Verex, and Zagresh. But, it also says that they worship Gorum, Zon Kuthon, Rovagug, Lamashtu, Demon Lords, and pretty much all the other nasty gods. Although, there is a tribe that's converted to Sarenrae. Pathfinderwiki has a brief write up of the orc gods, I just linked to Zagresh.
Psion-Warlord Orc? Yes, please.
Did the GM say anything about PoW? Because that's a different sort of tier from Psionics.
That's too bad, you're really missing out.
And let's not be patronizing here.
Are you just going to retrain that Feat at high levels? Since Magi get Heavy armor at 13th.
And/or have you considered going Armored Blade on your Soulknife?
Edit: Nevermind, I don't think that stacks with Soulbolt.
Mindblade Magus gives up heavy armor. Since the Soulknife gets medium proficiency as is, all it takes is a single feat.
I'd love to somehow manage to stack Soulbolt and Armored Blade, if the DM'd let me. Both simply "change" the Form Mindblade and Shape Mindblade class features. Soulbolt gets Shape Mindbolt and Enhance Mindbolt, which effectively function the same as the Soulknife's original Shape Mindblade and Enhance Mindblade, only that the Soulbolt doesn't get to shape Mindblades, and all Mindblade stuff becomes "Mindbolt" stuff. Armored Blade simply gives the additional ability to form a Mind Armor along with the Mindblade as "Form Mind Armaments", and makes the Enhance Mindblade become Enhance Mindarmaments, and advance at a reduced rate according to their table.... One could easily say the Soulbolt/Armored Blade simply forms their bolt and armor, and they advance at a reduced rate, and get effectively the same thing.
It'd certainly be a rather MAD character, in all actuality, focusing on the Orc's penalty attributes. Magus goes off of Int at -2, Soulknife if the Gifted Blade (and thus into Elocator on the Soulknife side of the gestalt) would function off of Wis at -2, and the feat requirements for Elocator would require a dex of at least 13. Being a frontliner, one would need Con as well.
I suppose my dream version of this character at level 20 would be: Soulknife (Armored Blade/Gifted Blade/Soulbolt) 10/Elocator 10//Magus (Mindblade) 20...... If PrCs require giving up both sides, it'd just be Soulknife (Armored Blade/Soulbolt)//Magus (Mindblade) 20.
Somehow, I doubt it'd be a DPR machine, since my system mastery is only above average, and I really don't care for RAGELANCEPOUNCE shenanigans. Survivable? Probably. Have something to do in nearly every combat situation? Definitely. Which is what I'm looking at mechanically, never being unable to do something.... Whether the stats manage to align up that way is a different story, lol.
@Dragon of Ash and Flame: Thanks for letting me know, I'll have to grab out my copy of Belkzen. I totally forgot I had it, lol.
I'm not entirely sure yet what I'd be after, I have a few ideas.
The first would be a Slayer(Vanguard)|Magus(Eldritch Archer). As is obvious, he'd focus on archery and would mostly work as a scout and hunter for the Storm-Screamers of Rull. Like the rest of his clan Rull would be the focus of his worship, but he'd also pay homage to the spirits of his ancestors as well as the spirits of the natural world.
Second would be a devotee of Varg, the Iron Warrior. To honor his god he goes into battle clad in high quality steel armor. I'm looking at Warpriest(Forgepriest) on one end and, if I can pull it off stat wise, Occultist(Battle Host) on the other, though that combination would be incredibly MAD and wouldn't be helped by being an Orc. If not the occultist then I'd look at Bloodrager(Steelblood) or Barbarian(Armored Hulk) on the other end. He'd be a member of the Steel Eater clan.
The last would be a female Orc Oracle though I'm not set on the other side yet. She'd be given to one of the Oracles of the Brimstone Haruspex as a mate in exchange for their services. While she has never been inside the sacred building it still had an effect on her and she started having visions but wisely kept them to herself. She never bore her mate any children, despite his attempts, and she still thanks Dretha for it. Recently she actually killed her aged and cruel mate by pushing him into the lava of the volcano as a sacrifice to the place's spirit.
Just remember that psychic spells take a -10 penalty when casting defensively. It'll be important to take into account if you want to have a summer home on the front line.
It'd certainly be a rather MAD character, in all actuality, focusing on the Orc's penalty attributes. Magus goes off of Int at -2, Soulknife if the Gifted Blade (and thus into Elocator on the Soulknife side of the gestalt) would function off of Wis at -2, and the feat requirements for Elocator would require a dex of at least 13. Being a frontliner, one would need Con as well.
No, you wouldn't be nearly as MAD as you think, unless you actively wanted to for some reason. It's Gestalt, which means the MAD characters are the ones using 5-6 ability scores. Dex 13 is lower than your average melee fighter. your Charisma can be nonexistent, and a non-Kensai Magus has little reason to boost Int beyond 16 (since you're not relying on spell saves), meaning you can start with 12 and be just fine. Similarly, you can be a decent Gifted Blade with a starting Wis of 10—the only reason you'd want high Wis as a Gifted Blade would be to go Focused Offense/Defense, in which case you're no longer using Str at all.
Plus, the GM has said there will be half-and variant-orcs available, so you probably wouldn't need to deal with the -2/-2/-2. (Alternately, if you want to keep it, considering starting middle-aged for the mental stat bonus).
well i've narrowed down my ideas to;
Druid(goliath) / Barbarian(Invulnerable rager and maybe Urban)--He doesn't want to rule a tribe, but he wants to be the chief's prized warrior. He's probably used to favoritism because of his abilities. Basically, he wants to be the biggest baddest toughest orc there is and find someone who can point him at things to kill. He's a pretty simple bloke like that (pun intended). He sees his wildshaping into giants a gift from the gods: Nulgreth gave him rage, Rull and Slezarian filled him the power of nature and magic, Verex made him quick, Varg hardened his body like steel. Zagresh made him stupid, because a warrior should not think crafty thoughts. Lanishra gave him a beast to enslave and command. Dretha allows him to change shape and grow the rest of her brood. He could rule a clan, but he is not gifted with Varg's strategy. That's OK. Great warriors serve mighty shamans and chiefs. Plus, there's probably some hefty conditioning from his tribe's leaders.
Barbarian(Invulnerable rager and maybe Urban) / rogue--This guy is death. He is the agent of a great warchief, perhaps Grask Uldreth in Urgir, perhaps some other chieftain or priest. He is their instrument of vengeance, their weapon. When a warparty will not succeed, or is unneeded, he is called. He is quick of feet, but he doesn't care for hte soft tiny weapons of the humans. No. He is the judgement of powerful leaders, and his weapon is just as great (he uses a great axe or greatsword, although depending on stats that might change.. maybe not). He thinks, he plans, he is cautious.
skald/warpriest: He wants to form a horde and be the thrumming warsong that spurs the orcs on to slaughter. He wants to fan the flames of war, quicken the rage within his people, and send them over the hills like a sea of devastation for no greater purpose that to slaughter the weak. He wants to see the orc lands spread across the world, dominating and enslaving all who stand in his path. Then, he will turn the hordes upon each other, for only the weak crave peace. War is the natural state for the orc, they must constantly fight and kill. It is how they have always been, and how they will always be.
Scarred witch doctor/Cleric (lord of undeath, perhaps) or fighter/cleric (lord of undeath): he whispers in the ears of chiefs. He is the strategist, the planner. Like all orcs, he craves slaughter and destruction. But, he wants to hone that fury, sharpen it, and aim it. He urges the chieftains to conquest, but enforces the Flood Truce and the pacts between the tribes. He has seen Grask Uldeth's grand plan, and he has found it good. An orc Empire, each tribe battling for power as tradition demands, but all collared to leashes held by the greatest Orc. Those who fall will still serve the great chieftain and his goal. United, not even the Worldwound can stand against the orc Horde.
so, i haven't really narrowed down my ideas at all.
side note, if the entries lean more good, i can skew the ideas towards that way as well
It'd certainly be a rather MAD character, in all actuality, focusing on the Orc's penalty attributes. Magus goes off of Int at -2, Soulknife if the Gifted Blade (and thus into Elocator on the Soulknife side of the gestalt) would function off of Wis at -2, and the feat requirements for Elocator would require a dex of at least 13. Being a frontliner, one would need Con as well.No, you wouldn't be nearly as MAD as you think, unless you actively wanted to for some reason. It's Gestalt, which means the MAD characters are the ones using 5-6 ability scores. Dex 13 is lower than your average melee fighter. your Charisma can be nonexistent, and a non-Kensai Magus has little reason to boost Int beyond 16 (since you're not relying on spell saves), meaning you can start with 12 and be just fine. Similarly, you can be a decent Gifted Blade with a starting Wis of 10—the only reason you'd want high Wis as a Gifted Blade would be to go Focused Offense/Defense, in which case you're no longer using Str at all.
Plus, the GM has said there will be half-and variant-orcs available, so you probably wouldn't need to deal with the -2/-2/-2. (Alternately, if you want to keep it, considering starting middle-aged for the mental stat bonus).
You could probably do Artful Dodge. Saves you on Dex a bit.
I'm pretty excited for this game. I can't wait to see the chargen and rules and stuff!
I've always wanted to use "Orcs of Golarion", though has anyone put forth a unifying concept about why all the characters are coming together? I've got a few ideas, but it really depends on the story premise.
My thinking about the orcs, is that any of the untrained, "non-formally educated" classes would work, and I'm always a fan of axes... The "Servant of the Blood God" Archetype for Summoner is neat, but Summoners are generally verboten..
Though, if the intent is to head into the Worldwound, I'm looking at a Ranger whose intent is to take trophies of the largest of demons, and use them to instill fear in any other demons they may encounter.
Or, with a more introspective bent, an Abyssal Bloodrager(Spelleater) who, in expressing his self-hate, desires to kill any and every demon that they encounter, cursing the powers that he was born with.
@Me'mori, yeah, there's a lot of discussion about this up-thread. The most likely scenario is the party is to follow WotR—but instead of a party of Mendevian crusaders serving the LN Iomedae, they start as a Belkzen warband serving CN Gorum.
As for "non-trained," I'm planning on going with Investigator, Tactitian, Magus, or something similar.
I think my ideas are team players. the barbarian/goliath druid just wants to be pointed at somethign to kill.
did we decide on Gorum?
The GM hasn't posted an official gameplay thread yet. Gorum is just the most-discussed by players, as an alignment-flexible got of war who likes orcs.
I didn't see a clear response on this. Will it be gestalt?
I didn't see a clear response on this. Will it be gestalt?
Still haven't decided on the AP yet, but I have decided on it being gestalt. It appears to be a popular thing.
Yes.
Expect a post within two days. My girlfriend will be leaving tomorrow to get ready to perform at an opera over the course of the weekend, so I will start making the lengthy recruitment when she leaves.
And just so people know, any alignment is allowed, but there will be NO PVP nonsense unless it is a story event that both PCs discuss with me first.
That said, start thinking up some concepts now people, because recruitment looms over you!
Invulnerable Rager | Elemental Ascetic is a go!
Invulnerable Rager | Elemental Ascetic is a go!
reposting concepts because heehee (also a bunch of barbarian orcs could be FUN)
Druid(goliath) / Barbarian(Invulnerable rager and maybe Urban)--He doesn't want to rule a tribe, but he wants to be the chief's prized warrior. He's probably used to favoritism because of his abilities. Basically, he wants to be the biggest baddest toughest orc there is and find someone who can point him at things to kill. He's a pretty simple bloke like that (pun intended). He sees his wildshaping into giants a gift from the gods: Nulgreth gave him rage, Rull and Slezarian filled him the power of nature and magic, Verex made him quick, Varg hardened his body like steel. Zagresh made him stupid, because a warrior should not think crafty thoughts. Lanishra gave him a beast to enslave and command. Dretha allows him to change shape and grow the rest of her brood. He could rule a clan, but he is not gifted with Varg's strategy. That's OK. Great warriors serve mighty shamans and chiefs. Plus, there's probably some hefty conditioning from his tribe's leaders.
Barbarian(Invulnerable rager and maybe Urban) / rogue--This guy is death. He is the agent of a great warchief, perhaps Grask Uldreth in Urgir, perhaps some other chieftain or priest. He is their instrument of vengeance, their weapon. When a warparty will not succeed, or is unneeded, he is called. He is quick of feet, but he doesn't care for hte soft tiny weapons of the humans. No. He is the judgement of powerful leaders, and his weapon is just as great (he uses a great axe or greatsword, although depending on stats that might change.. maybe not). He thinks, he plans, he is cautious.
skald/warpriest: He wants to form a horde and be the thrumming warsong that spurs the orcs on to slaughter. He wants to fan the flames of war, quicken the rage within his people, and send them over the hills like a sea of devastation for no greater purpose that to slaughter the weak. He wants to see the orc lands spread across the world, dominating and enslaving all who stand in his path. Then, he will turn the hordes upon each other, for only the weak crave peace. War is the natural state for the orc, they must constantly fight and kill. It is how they have always been, and how they will always be.
Scarred witch doctor/Cleric (lord of undeath, perhaps) or fighter/cleric (lord of undeath): he whispers in the ears of chiefs. He is the strategist, the planner. Like all orcs, he craves slaughter and destruction. But, he wants to hone that fury, sharpen it, and aim it. He urges the chieftains to conquest, but enforces the Flood Truce and the pacts between the tribes. He has seen Grask Uldeth's grand plan, and he has found it good. An orc Empire, each tribe battling for power as tradition demands, but all collared to leashes held by the greatest Orc. Those who fall will still serve the great chieftain and his goal. United, not even the Worldwound can stand against the orc Horde.
so, i haven't really narrowed down my ideas at all. For some reason, i really like MAD builds....
side note, if the entries lean more good, i can skew the ideas towards that way as well
I didn't see a clear response on this. Will it be gestalt?Still haven't decided on the AP yet, but I have decided on it being gestalt. It appears to be a popular thing.Yes.
Awww.. Completely missed that post. I'll withdraw.
To repost it, I'm going Abberant Aegis/Blade Adept Arcanist.
i;m leaning on my {Invulnerable urban) barbarian/(goliath) druid. he's MAD, but he's got cool things to go with it, too.
I'd love to do a (blood god disciple synthesist)summoner/(invulnerable urban) barbarian but that seems both OP and yet not.
@Meeko: Have you considered Oracle/Bloodrager with Mad Magic? It gets you the same sort of thing, but with a lot more power behind it.
Current plan: Soulknife (Soulbolt/Gifted Blade/Armored Blade archetypes, with approval)//Magus (Mindblade archetype) "Chosen of Gorum"
Actually, now I think of it, didn't the new Psionics book release a Blade Skill letting normal Soulknives form a Soulbolt and vice versa?
Why not just use that, and go like Aegis on the other half of the gestalt? Something that gets you summoned armor and completes the set.
@Meeko: Have you considered Oracle/Bloodrager with Mad Magic? It gets you the same sort of thing, but with a lot more power behind it.
Both have their advantages and disadvantages. Rage prophet has more hp, earlier rage powers and higher DCs while bloodrager gets easier casting and better action economy.
I'm going bloodrager//scarred witch doctor myself.
No, I mean, I was pointing out that you can gestalt bloodrager/oracle to get more of everything. It's one of the classic OP gestalts.
super eager for the official recruitment to start!
Hope it's up soon
Well, whether it's up soon or not, I'm going to have to bail. Bunch of offline priorities have popped up that I need to get in order, as it were.
Best of luck to all of ya!
Divinitus, is this still a thing?
No, unfortunately. I am, however, brainstorming something else. I just got back from Thanksgiving stuff not too long ago.