Lords of Creation

Game Master stringburka

Deities creating a new world where the old was destroyed.


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Started it some last night. Where is the ability list located? I somehow missed that in the rules section.

Also, if I might make a suggestion?

In the campaign info thread, list and link the current deities, with a small line about what they represent. This way, any other new players can easily see what already exists.

Oh, and is it possible to play more than one god eventually?


Monkeygod wrote:

Started it some last night. Where is the ability list located? I somehow missed that in the rules section.

Also, if I might make a suggestion?

In the campaign info thread, list and link the current deities, with a small line about what they represent. This way, any other new players can easily see what already exists.

Oh, and is it possible to play more than one god eventually?

Next to "Gain Ability: Your god gains one Ability from the list." there is a [Show] tag that opens the list when you click on it.


Almost done with the game thread, but have to sleep(its 2am)

Some concepts I've come up(Whichever is chosen, I will then give a writing sample in order to be accepted)

A god of Elves and Magic(Both Arcane and Nature), who will likely be aligned with Jezebelle, at least some what and with Nes, a LOT. Possibly even related.

A god of great beasts, natural fury, etc. Probably aligned with Lady Winter, though not due to being in the North, just because of her ties to the northern forests and beasts within.

A god of Devils and Hell. Possibly aligned with Azdan, but maybe not with anybody at all. For the record, not another death or destruction god, but one out to corrupt and tempt mortals away from their gods and force them to fall.

I had also really wanted to play a god of Undeath and Necromancy, but it seems that might be Azdan's thing.

I have a few others in mind, but this is a start.


So, how many approvals do I have for Lagdorn?


Lagdorn, the First Inventor wrote:
So, how many approvals do I have for Lagdorn?

I'm one for sure. =)


I think I need the approval of all mods. Is that right?


@Monkeygod I wouldn't allow playing multiple gods. That gets complicated fast, and may be unfair when you start teaming up with yourself.

However, may I suggest playing out aspects of a god? The Shard functionality allows you to split off and simultaneously be in two (or more with higher ranks) places at once. It implies having more than one body. I don't see why you couldn't have each shard be an aspect of the god that can argue and differ amongst themselves but ultimately share the same action points since they spring from the same source.

@Lagdorn Only two, though three is better!

Ilja's conditional approval is that no one else feels that you're stepping on their toes. Nes obviously doesn't feel that way, and you don't seem to be stepping on anyone else's toes with inventing, so you've most likely got his approval.

I'm still somewhat uncertain myself, but an inventor/scientist would be interesting to further develop civilization. Also, Steamwright makes me think Steampunk makes me think Girl Genius. I'll approve.

Re: Pantheon discussion Make leaving a pantheon a free action (leaving it weakens the god automatically by reducing AP gain) and kicking out a god by majority vote (i.e. discussed by the players beforehand) an action that reduces AP gain of the entire pantheon on the next rollover (reflecting the weakening of the pantheon, or the expenditure of energy to kick out a member).

I'm not inclined to allow gods to join multiple pantheons because something like being in a pantheon should be a huge choice. In my opinion, gods are actively sharing or pooling part of their divinity with a group (which reflects the increased AP gain). Other mods may disagree.

However, if we push through with that, I back the idea that no god can gain the benefit of being in more than one pantheon and instead uses the highest bonus applicable. Further suggestion should be that gods can only contribute to a single primary pantheon and only serve as fluff roles (i.e. not counting for extra AP) in secondary pantheons. Ilja's idea of dividing AP when in multiple pantheons runs the risk of allowing others in the pantheons to benefit.


Sweet!

With two approvals-Rashly and Nes-and a conditional one from Ilja, I'm in!


Any thoughts on my god concepts above?


rashly5 wrote:


Re: Pantheon discussion Make leaving a pantheon a free action (leaving it weakens the god automatically by reducing AP gain) and kicking out a god by majority vote (i.e. discussed by the players beforehand) an action that reduces AP gain of the entire pantheon on the next rollover (reflecting the weakening of the pantheon, or the expenditure of energy to kick out a member).

I'm not inclined to allow gods to join multiple pantheons because something like being in a pantheon should be a huge choice. In my opinion, gods are actively sharing or pooling part of their divinity with a group (which reflects the increased AP gain). Other mods may disagree.

However, if we push through with that, I back the idea that no god can gain the benefit of being in more than one pantheon and instead uses the highest bonus applicable. Further suggestion should be that gods can only contribute to a single primary pantheon and only serve as fluff roles...

My 2 cents..

If we make the "expel from pantheon action" I think it should cost 2 AP. I saw in the rules there is a tendency, for every action that allows a counter, the counter costs 1 more AP. Since Join pantheon is a 1 AP action the counter to Join pantheon should cost 2.
I would allow to pool AP together though and allow 2 gods to spend 1 AP each.


I just got fully caught up on everything, gameplay, discussion, and recruitment.

However, I see recruitment is temporarily closed as of earlier today. I posted interest on Thurs, so do I make the cut? I'm really looking forward to this and would hate to think I spent all those hours reading everything just to be told I can't play ...

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2013

I don't think any of us intended to officially close recruitment, and maybe not for very long if we did. Please give us a couple of days to agree on a protocol moving forward.


So recruitment is closed?
If there is still room, I would like to get in on this...

Let me give my god just in case.
Typed this up quickly, so I will make adjustments to him later.

Name: Oh
Played By: Saminjutsu
Domains (Portfolios): Luck and Chaos(Revelry)
Theme: Minor god of Hangovers, Sarcasm, and Expletives.
Alignment: Neutral
Attack: 1d6
Defense: 5d6
HP: 40
Description:
No one was more surprised when Oh came into existence than Oh himself.
You see, belief is one of the funniest and least predictable forces in the universe.

As people repeatedly invoked the name of Gods over a long enough period of time, all that belief has to funnel into somewhere.

In Oh's case, that belief manifested him.

Even with his spheres of influences and followers who consistently give him his rather unconventional praise, Oh seeks to try and add to his influence and thus his power so that one day he might be able to ascend and become stronger.


@Monkeygod My thoughts on your concepts:

Elves and Magic is intriguing. Though a god has recently taken the 'Source of Arcane' ability, no god has completely taken over the Concept/Domain of 'Magic' or defined it. Taking over that particular aspect is what would interest me.

Great Beasts and Nature could work, but I'd definitely need to see a narrower concept. If I might suggest, what aspect of nature would you take? Lady Winter has taken Winter/Cold. You could take a season, or something more elemental like Fire. Few have taken elements as their concept. We had a god of dragons and law that disappeared, but he worked quite well in his domain.

Devils and Hell doesn't quite intrigue me as we have enough gods concerned with the afterlife. Corruption and temptation, however, is delicious. Perhaps devils are even an actual race? In any case, dealing with mortals directly is what makes this concept strong.

Undeath and Necromancy could still work, but you'll be directly opposed to Azdan who, it seems, demands complete say over what happens with Death. And, again, we have enough gods crowding over what happens with the afterlife.

But I'd like to say that you should pick the concept that most interests you.

P.S. I see you're a Monkeygod. Inevitable pun about you making a monkey god.

@Saminjutsu Could you define some portfolios for your Luck domain? Chaos (Revelry) doesn't make much sense to me. I'd suggesting changing the Chaos domain to something else.

Your character has an interesting set-up, but I'm worried how you'll sustain it. If you're familiar with it, it seems very much Discworld-esque.

Your birth by misdirected belief is something that will need to be discussed with the other mods, but I personally feel I can work with it.

Also, consider this: Our theme of this entire game is Creation. What will you do? What will you create?

...Aside from alcohol.

If I might suggest, this seems a god of Accidents. This easily leads to Accidental Creations. And that is interesting.

Something to consider, but do not feel pressured by my suggestions.


Just a note to add to Rashly, Yir is currently just needing to do the whole 3 AP and claim a domain for Monsters. I am not sure if domain sharing is possible, but I would say that would be stepping on her toes a bit otherwise.

Additionally, as far as nature goes, no one has really claimed the land other than ice and snow, leaving many areas available to you, Forests, lakes and rivers(Not something Yir will ever be interested in domain wise), open wastes the possibilities are almost endless.


@rashly5
I tried to find the best domains from PF to fit with Oh, but if it is okay I probably will just create my own since I agree with you about them not fitting right...

His domains will be Luck and Accidents, and his areas of purview will extend to Accidents as well.

(By the way, you are correct, I am a huge fan of Discworld.)

As for what I will create, I like your idea of accidental creations.
An accidental God governs over accidents.

Poetic.

How many more mods do I need to be approved and start posting?


Monkeygod wrote:

Almost done with the game thread, but have to sleep(its 2am)

Some concepts I've come up(Whichever is chosen, I will then give a writing sample in order to be accepted)

A god of Elves and Magic(Both Arcane and Nature), who will likely be aligned with Jezebelle, at least some what and with Nes, a LOT. Possibly even related.

A god of great beasts, natural fury, etc. Probably aligned with Lady Winter, though not due to being in the North, just because of her ties to the northern forests and beasts within.

A god of Devils and Hell. Possibly aligned with Azdan, but maybe not with anybody at all. For the record, not another death or destruction god, but one out to corrupt and tempt mortals away from their gods and force them to fall.

I had also really wanted to play a god of Undeath and Necromancy, but it seems that might be Azdan's thing.

I have a few others in mind, but this is a start.

Of the presented options I like either the elven magic-god concept or having an evil-tempter/corrupter god would be solid to. I would need to see more out of either to be sure. I am happy to work with you on incorporating Nes into your background, although must warn that he is definitely a deadbeat dad. =)

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2013

As father of demigods and mortals go, I totally envision Nes as a dad with a comb-over and polyester workout suit. He's absent and aloof, and then shows up at your graduation with $20, a date half his age you've never met, and willing to take full credit for his kids' success.

As an added bonus, he's probably there to cheer on fellow graduates you didn't realize were your ha;f-brothers and sisters.

: )


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Steven T. Helt wrote:

As father of demigods and mortals go, I totally envision Nes as a dad with a comb-over and polyester workout suit. He's absent and aloof, and then shows up at your graduation with $20, a date half his age you've never met, and willing to take full credit for his kids' success.

As an added bonus, he's probably there to cheer on fellow graduates you didn't realize were your ha;f-brothers and sisters.

: )

This is like 90% accurate. The fridge horror is that he makes the comb-over and tracksuit look good.


I'll write up a more official post, but along with creating elves and being in charge of magic(possibly the creator, not sure), I was thinking of branching out into the classic elements as well, creating elementals and such.

I had a cosmic decree in mind too: "Magic exists, and mortals can use it, but never to harm or challenge a god". This means they either need to be godly themselves, get divine assistance, or use powerful artifacts to affect us.

Just to be clear, we have two material planes, the original and Mirridon, the afterlfe and heaven as far as planes go, correct? No Astral, Ethereal, Shadow, or Elemental?

Is the prime planet basically as big as we want it to be? Like if I wanted to raise another continent or a big ass island, that's fine, right? Plenty of room and all that?

Finally, I definitely like Nes being my father, though I would rather the relationship be a bit stronger, though not serious or strict.


I think discussions like these are probably best done in the Discussion thread, so people don't think we're recruiting when we're not actually doing so. ^^


We actually DO have a Plane of Shadow. It was created by Nihil-who has slumbered out of existence at this point, I believe.


Monkeygod wrote:

I'll write up a more official post, but along with creating elves and being in charge of magic(possibly the creator, not sure), I was thinking of branching out into the classic elements as well, creating elementals and such.

I had a cosmic decree in mind too: "Magic exists, and mortals can use it, but never to harm or challenge a god". This means they either need to be godly themselves, get divine assistance, or use powerful artifacts to affect us.

Just to be clear, we have two material planes, the original and Mirridon, the afterlfe and heaven as far as planes go, correct? No Astral, Ethereal, Shadow, or Elemental?

Is the prime planet basically as big as we want it to be? Like if I wanted to raise another continent or a big ass island, that's fine, right? Plenty of room and all that?

Finally, I definitely like Nes being my father, though I would rather the relationship be a bit stronger, though not serious or strict.

I believe you would not need a Cosmic Decree to create magic; magic would just be a Legendary Concept. If Nes' Cosmic Decree goes through, then you would just define what magic 'is' and how it can be used. If you spend extra AP, you would be the only god that can have access to it without your permission or a fight. You could create a Cosmic Decree that makes it so that magic cannot be used against gods, or even broader, that mortals cannot fight gods. If the latter, then gods can't bring less than immortal beings to a god fight.

I think there is just one Material Plane, which forms an entire broad universe. Mirrodin, is just a different planet set apart from the planet most of the gods are poking around on (which needs a name?). I believe Azdan made the negative energy plane too.

My understanding is that the prime planet has a size that varies according to our needs, so you could in fact just raise another continent or big ass island. Probably just good to figure out how it relates to the other major features that have been created so far.

Well, maybe Nes was your god's father in the old world (that'd make sense with the whole father of elves thing), and just assumed that you went away to the far realms with the rest of his rascals? So he was always a crappy dad, but now you get to be an only child and a god to boot? That would certainly go further to forging a relationship.

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2013

the shadow plane is mine. it combines shadow and negative energy, and is home to the Obsidian palace.


Yidhra, Goddess of Paradoxes wrote:
I think discussions like these are probably best done in the Discussion thread, so people don't think we're recruiting when we're not actually doing so. ^^

Except, I'm not officially in the game yet as I have not posted a real profile and thus haven't been accepted. While these could all wait, its just stuff that I've been thinking about that I wanted answers to so I can get a better handle on things.


Name/Titles: Liriiestil, Lord of Elves, Master of Magic.

Played By: Monkeygod

Domains: Elves, Magic.

Portfolios: Arcane Magic, Divine Magic, Elven subraces.

Theme: God of Elves, and Magic, in tune and in touch with nature.

Alignment: Chaotic Good.

Attack: 4d6

Defense: 3d6

HP: 30

Description:

Liriiestil is a young god, from the old universe. Born from a union of Nes, the King of Fey and the spirit of an ancient forest, Lir was a roguish, swashbuckler teller of tales. He was a champion of the downtrodden, striving to always help the little man.

Then the beginning of the end came, and Lir did the best he could to protect those he favored. However, a powerful archfiend bound him away with fell magick, and he was forced to watch the end of the universe helpless to do anything.


rashly5 wrote:

@Monkeygod My thoughts on your concepts:

Elves and Magic is intriguing. Though a god has recently taken the 'Source of Arcane' ability, no god has completely taken over the Concept/Domain of 'Magic' or defined it. Taking over that particular aspect is what would interest me.

Well.. I did plan to take on the domain of magic (as a matter of fact Jezebelle already qualify for that) but she won't be jealous of that domain if Liriiestil will turn out to be a possible ally of Jezebelle or have any sort of friendly relationship with her (wich I believe was your plan)

And if he will not .. well .. in that case he really doesn't have to worry about invading my turf, we would become rivals which means no holds barred. at that point he could even try to contest my domain of Sin or her portfolio on beauty (the ones Jezebelle values the most)
As a player I'm ok with both.

Also .. until a few weeks ago I was willing to create the fey myself, but rather because there was a lack of more suitable creators for them.
Since I was already plan to lean that way before Liriiestil and Nes showed up is perfectly normal that my most recent domain grabs are into their concept, it was a concept I was moving towards for lack of gods in that area.
And even if there are 2 gods of magic, I believe Liriiestil magic will probably be a lot more sparkles and fairydust than Jezebelle's spilling blood on the altars.

For future reference... I don't really overly plan my future Domains. But there are a few that I think I want to aim at. Mainly the domain of dream, fertility and freedom.
But she would not want a monopoly of them ... the domain of dreams maybe she would like to be more like her personal playground.
But fertility is fair game, and freedom ... She won't ask for nothing better than seeing all the gods working towards making freedom part of their domains.


I do in fact plan on trying to ally with Jez. I emphasize trying, because who knows with the Feminine Tempest.

I see Jez as similar to Calistria in Golarion, and I see myself as akin somewhat to Corellon Larethian.

I too planned to create the Fey, but I'm fine with Elves(and subraces, Dark, Shadow, [Azdan, I lookin at you], Aquatic[If Yir will allow me] and others) along with the Elementals, Genies, and Genasi.

For the future, if picked, I aim to go after the elements as domains, and possibly creating the planes and setting demigods to rule them.


I would be more than happy to let you make aquatic elves! :)
Honestly the only humanoid race I'd consider making I've already made so feel free to go wild and crazy with sea peoples. I'll be mostly focusing on magical beasties from here on out.
I was just worried about too much over lap regarding a monster domain, given I did fancy it quite a bit, if you were to go with that as one of your main starting domains. I guess sort of like Jez and Dreams domain.

And a note to everyone, feel free to populate any island she makes. I do not plan to have her control really anything on land so she won't be making surface dwellers.


I believe the magic concepts can come in many flavors, so there is lots of room for people to snatch up areas or forge new territory. Like, every god could create their own ‘type’ of magic. Liriiestil could focus on ‘storytelling’ magic, for example, or you two could alternately divvy up ‘arcane’ style magic and ‘divine’ style magic. Jezebelle seems a great fit for having dominion over divine magic (worship, praise, prayers) primarily as opposed to studious disciplined magic. Another idea- Jesebelle’s style could be spontaneous casting stuff like sorcerers or oracles, with Liriiestil going for memorization/research/discipline style casting?

Feel free to recreate fey if you like, Jezebelle. Nes has no plans on revisiting ‘failed’ designs (in his opinion). Anything he creates is going to not have existed in the old world. At most he is going to make a whole new type of fey-like creature to be his go to guys on manipulating the mortal flocks.

Corellon Larethian?! =) Yeesh! Are you sure Nes is Liriestil’s dad, or is that just what mom his mom told him? ;-)


Only in function more or less Nes, not in power(at least not yet). He's the only published main deity of elves, as even in Golarion, while there is an elven pantheon, there's no true primary elf god/goddess. Many venerate Calistria, but she's also a deity of vengeance, lust and trickery(See why I say her and Jez are similar?)

I could easily see, if the others agree, such broad concepts for domains such as magic and the elements being shared by a couple of deities, but defined by portfolios.

For example, Lir would have Magic(Arcane, Nature), while Jez could also have Magic(Divine, Ritual).

Lir could also take Water, and not define it via portfolio, while Yir also has Water, but has defines her's as Open Water(Ocean, Seas).

Of course, if I'm out of line trying to make changes to a game I'm not even a part of yet, please let me know. I'm just trying to help come with ways to replicate existing pantheon stuff.


Monkeygod wrote:
Only in function more or less Nes, not in power(at least not yet). He's the only published main deity of elves, as even in Golarion, while there is an elven pantheon, there's no true primary elf god/goddess. Many venerate Calistria, but she's also a deity of vengeance, lust and trickery(See why I say her and Jez are similar?)

I can see the similarities.

Anyway, as a matter of fact the inspiration for Jezebelle is more leaning towards Lilith.
I imagine for her a similar origin story. Probably was created as a human as the first woman in the first universe (which makes her the origin of femininity itself, as in no concept of female gender existed before her)
And rebelled against the god of order that created her, rebelled against the status quo, obtained demigod status and then in time true godhood.
As such .. is not like she's distant from elves, she actually likes elves. But she's definitely identifiable as a goddess of humanity and of some of the dark creatures that lives around humanity (vampires, and I will totally make Succubi ... which will be an investment of at least 40 points..).
Elves are more than welcomed worshipers, and she will gladly work with elves, but they are not one of Jezebelle main focuses.

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2013

I thought we were closing the game to new players? We just added another three right? If three players/two mods approve Lirriestil, let's make it our last until things smooth out.

I'm not giving a nod to any new players until we get that sorted out, but I will say if we add one more player, elves and magic isn't a bad addition.


Steven T. Helt wrote:

I thought we were closing the game to new players? We just added another three right? If three players/two mods approve Lirriestil, let's make it our last until things smooth out.

I'm not giving a nod to any new players until we get that sorted out, but I will say if we add one more player, elves and magic isn't a bad addition.

You had said on Sun to give you a few days to figure out recruitment, since I posted interest before the choice was made to temp close new players.

The only reason I went ahead and posted an actual profile was because Rashly gave feedback and nobody else has told me to wait. I had also settled on what I want to play and wanted to at least get the character out there to begin tweaking it.

I can finish up concept more and wait till Monday to actually begin playing or I can wait longer if you all feel you have enough right now.

I just really like this game, the concept and the deity I've decided on.


Steven T. Helt wrote:
I thought we were closing the game to new players? We just added another three right? If three players/two mods approve Lirriestil, let's make it our last until things smooth out.

Well .. as a player I do approve him. That doesn't mean he should start now.

I think we could take our time to process the entrance of Nes, Yir and Lagdorn and put any possible other entrance on queue if it serves the game better. For the same reason, I don't think we should "stop" recruitment. but rather stop the entrance of the new players, delay it until it really serves the game.
I feel the game before the entrance of Nes and Yir was kinda uneventful.
I also think there was a LOT of crucial divine concepts that were missing. there are still some of them, but I can see a larger scope for the game already.
I think we still need more players, but we do not need to flood the game with them all at once.
Since right now we have quite a lot happening with the gods we have in game, I think we should postpone the entry of Lirriestil to next week, or maybe the one after that. so that his entry will create a certain stimulus to new interactions between the gods, something that with the Nes party we do have now... almost too much of that. I'm sensing the stimulus provided by Nes Yir and Lagdorn is starting to die out it will carry on ... but it will not be as big as in their introduction.
We can then introduce a couple of gods when we see things are getting too calm again.

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2013

What she said.


Monkeygod wrote:

Only in function more or less Nes, not in power(at least not yet). He's the only published main deity of elves, as even in Golarion, while there is an elven pantheon, there's no true primary elf god/goddess. Many venerate Calistria, but she's also a deity of vengeance, lust and trickery(See why I say her and Jez are similar?)

I could easily see, if the others agree, such broad concepts for domains such as magic and the elements being shared by a couple of deities, but defined by portfolios.

For example, Lir would have Magic(Arcane, Nature), while Jez could also have Magic(Divine, Ritual).

Lir could also take Water, and not define it via portfolio, while Yir also has Water, but has defines her's as Open Water(Ocean, Seas).

Of course, if I'm out of line trying to make changes to a game I'm not even a part of yet, please let me know. I'm just trying to help come with ways to replicate existing pantheon stuff.

I...um...might have jumped the gun on you, Monkeygod. Melehan just created a race of elves, the Sidhe. I wasn't paying attention to the recruitment and thus didn't see your idea. I'm sorry. Is there some way we can work it out?


Um. Well, I suppose you could either retcon it, if the others will let you take the action back. Or perhaps just change it so they aren't Elves, but Fae, as the Sidhe is often a name for actual faeries?

Otherwise, I'm not sure. Gifting them to me would be a little odd, since the whole point is for Lir to be the Father of the Elves. But I guess if that's the only option, I'd have to just deal.

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My intent with them was a race that sort of had a lassiez-faire attitude towards the inevitability of death, and thus would be pleasing to Melehan's values and against Necromancy and stuff. Perhaps Lir could be an uplifted elf? Melehan's disciple as first of their kind?


Well, I had intended him to be Nes' son, and as I wrote above, he's been imprisoned since the end of the last universe. I figure he was freed when this universe came into existence. In the prior one, he was sort of bardic, swashbuckler god, but we have that already so he'll look to become something else.(Note, it was never my intention to actually be similar to Erande, and this is just in world stuff).

Just not sure I see the point in making elves of all things for your race, or I guess calling them elves.

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2013

If we're not taking on new players just now, and Melehan didn't create elves in response to you, probably best that nothing about his actions change. I think we ought to give priority in these situations to existing players for sure.


You guys talked about closing recruitment over in the discussion thread on like Sunday. You never posted in this thread that you closed recruitment, and I posted interest on Thursday of last week, the day after Tsiron showed interest.

The only reason I took a few days to post concepts was because I read the entire gameplay thread, as well as the discussion and recruitment threads. I feel like I'm being penalized for not only taking the time to completely familiarize myself with the game, but also due to nobody bothering to post the recruitment was closed. The only way I knew it was, and again three days after I posted interest, was because I'm reading the discussion thread.

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2013

With respect, you're not being penalized at all. It's a game, with admittedly a very loose structure and no real GM or boss. We're working with what we have, and at no time did you gain approval for entering the game. I don't think anyone is disappointed with you or working against you. You already know we've been debating the idea of new players

It isn't that you did anything wrong. I think your zeal would make you a great addition to the game. But it doesn't make sense to me that we'd ask a founding player to modify his work to make room for someone who isn't in the game.

If you've been keeping up with the game, you know there's a lot of ill-defined chaos. You can easily see why the need to control the influx of players grows more important.

Now—I am not the boss of this game. There are other mods and other players. If they think you should have a spot in the game (despite our attempots to close recruiting) and Melehan doesn't mind making changes (or you don't mind a new concept), then I welcome you.

But until then, I think our game is out of control and we have some things to work out before we add more players.


My feeling of being penalized so to speak, is being forced to wait, despite my posting interest days before the decision was made to close recruitment, but you let Tsiron in no problem.

And now, because of that, my concepts are getting taken, despite repeated postings of what I wanted to play as.

Maybe one of the original players, perhaps the one who started this, should take on more of a normal GM role, just in general, to help with not only recruitment, but also the things being discussed over in the ooc thread.

I'm not trying to force you to accept me right now, just trying to explain my frustration. When I asked if I should read the game thread before posting concepts, I was told it would be a good idea. So basically, I did as asked, and now am being told "Oh hey, cool that you did as we wanted, but uh since you did that we're gonna make you wait to play."


I feel it is unfair to disallow Monkeygod on the principle that he was ‘too late’ or make him wait for arbitrary reasons. He had a good concept and was working out the kinks while gaining familiarity with the game. If he doesn’t have appropriate approval for his concept, then that is a horse of a different color. Talking about closing recruitment is not the same as closing. If it is desired to be closed, then he should at least be considered before it actually happens.

Unfortunately for Monkeygod, it is not appropriate for Melehan to retcon a perfectly reasonable IC action; it is just unfortunate that it played out like this. Perhaps Monkeygod might come in and shout ‘plagiarism!’ at Melehan IC since elves were his thing in the old world, not the new (yet). The other good available option is Monkeygod just changing ‘elves’ to something else, but keeping the root core of the concept intact.

It does seem pretty obvious that this game would benefit from someone stepping up to take charge of rules disputes, character approval, and being empowered to introduce plots/complications. I am willing to throw my hat into the ring on this count, and would sacrifice Nes on the altar of unbiased rulings. That also frees up a spot for Monkeygod. I would prefer not to do this though, if it is believed we can come to a consensus on the various rules disputes. Even if that is the case, we still need someone to declare 'this is how it is then' so the conversations don't drag on.

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2013

I rhink thsat's the game's single biggest problem. The nominal answer was,supposed to be a team of moderators, but I've been the only guy active on that front, which is uncomfortable to me. I'd rather just be GM and direct the game than be a player GM and be conflicted.

I like the team mod idea so long as we have maybe three active identifiable player/GMs. And so long as we can. Slow,down the story while we improve a rules system that doesn't requkres less moderation. At first blush I'd say Azdan, Nes, and Jezzabellr are the best pool, but also Melehan, Aeon, or Ydhris if they want.

Thoughts?


I'm ok with being a mod. btw ... the way I understand it ...Wouldn't Me, Azdan and Nes would make it a mod team of Professional game designers only?


I am definitely down to act as a moderator, unless there are any objections. Yes, I guess we three would be a team of game designers… that’s probably a pretty good selling point. =)

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Monkeygod wrote:

Well, I had intended him to be Nes' son, and as I wrote above, he's been imprisoned since the end of the last universe. I figure he was freed when this universe came into existence. In the prior one, he was sort of bardic, swashbuckler god, but we have that already so he'll look to become something else.(Note, it was never my intention to actually be similar to Erande, and this is just in world stuff).

Just not sure I see the point in making elves of all things for your race, or I guess calling them elves.

Well I was going for "different elves" in the sense that they're not necessarily the chaotic good hippies and whatnot you see in other settings. In future posts I was planning on pushing towards a sort of pseudo Egyptian direction, khopeshes and reverence for the dead and whatnot.

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2013

Look, in my bid to sort of keep the game moving past its early establishment phases, I think I have communicated poorly or been misunderstood a few times. I'm willing to take the blame, I just want it to be fun for everyone so let's resolve some things.

If Aeon and Monkeygod are fine with the elf issue, and two other players accept his application, let's have Monkeygod make a profile and begin play Tuesday with 15 points. Let's ask Aeon to find a new name for his (very cool) egyptian elves so Monkeygods theme is more relatable to the players.

Let's then close off new recruiting until we have our gear stowed. Then new recruiting will open up when 2/3 mods likes the idea (I'm happy to make that a majority of active players instead of mods if y'all like).

Let's embrace the three moderator team of me, Jezebelle, and Rowe. From this moment forward, moderators will discuss rulings and modifications to our rules-light game and adjudicate issues related to timing or misunderstanding. If a mod makes a decision and there's resistance to it, another mod has to okay it to put it into action. If the ruling goes a full week without support, the mod's ruling sticks, but future similar incidences really need to have the input.

If a mod bows from the game, the new mod is nominated and elected among active players.

Seem reasonable?

Monkeygod, if you're still interested, we love your enthusiasm. Please join us starting Tuesday, pending any two other players inviting you in from here.

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