Hell's Rebels Adventure Path

Game Master TreasureFox

Fireday, the 14th of Sarenith, 4715AR
Day 6 of the week
WHO DARES CHALLENGE THE MIGHT OF THRUNE!?

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Male
Vital Stats:
Gnome Unchained Rogue 6 HP -1/48 | AC 19, FF 15, T 15 | F +2 R +8 W +1 | Init. +3 | CMB 0 | CMD 13 | Speed 20ft
Perception +9

Looks like we are good.


human/wererat (Tian-Dan) lunar oracle 5 AC:21/13/18 HP:34/39 F:+2 R: +4 W: +7 Init: -1 Perception: +11 spells: level 2 4/5, level 1 0/7, gift of claw and horn 6/6, disguise DC 19

still here!


Male Human Fighter (Tactician) 4
Stuff:
HP 39/49; Initiative +4; AC/Touch/FF 21/13/18; Fort/Ref/Will 7/5/2; CMD 17; Perception 0

I'm not here.


M Human Fighter 2

I'm coming for your ankles


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I deleted the post. You can reply as you'd like


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I've got a pretty busy day ahead of me, so I'm not sure if I can get a post up. If Bazzle hasn't posted by the end of today, I'll bot him tomorrow.


Male
Vital Stats:
Gnome Unchained Rogue 6 HP -1/48 | AC 19, FF 15, T 15 | F +2 R +8 W +1 | Init. +3 | CMB 0 | CMD 13 | Speed 20ft
Perception +9

I didn't realize I was the hold out. I will get something up right away.


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Thanks, Bazzle


Male
Vital Stats:
Gnome Unchained Rogue 6 HP -1/48 | AC 19, FF 15, T 15 | F +2 R +8 W +1 | Init. +3 | CMB 0 | CMD 13 | Speed 20ft
Perception +9

Wow. I wasn't seeing updates. Last I was aware of was the start of the conversation with Baccus.


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Oh jeez. Well I'm glad you double checked!


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Waiting on Tarnagius. I'll probably move on tonight or tomorrow. You guys are almost done.

As we wrap this up, what did you think of the Baccus encounter? I was disappointed that we didn't get a dining scene, but in hindsight it's very unlikely the group would agree to such a thing.

I like the skeleton bards.


Male Human Fighter (Tactician) 4
Stuff:
HP 39/49; Initiative +4; AC/Touch/FF 21/13/18; Fort/Ref/Will 7/5/2; CMD 17; Perception 0

Hey so I was hit in the head with a rock at work. I'm ok but I'm supposed to limit my screen time until we know I'm not super concussed, which could take a while. Bot me if you need to.


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Oh my god. Take care Tarnagius! How did you get hit?


Info:
HP 47/47; Initiative +4; AC/Touch/FF 22/16/18; Fort/Ref/Will 3/11/6; CMD 21; Perception +16; Effects:

I liked it, and Ederion WOULD return to at least look at the dishes (and maybe even try something), if they weren't related to the kids' disappearance.

Ok undead are bad and whatnot, but if their bad deeds would not be 'disclosed' Ederion might have ignored it for the experience and for the game :D

But in these circumstances it was hard to pull off, mainly if they are so directly related to their disappearance (as it seems to be the case).


Male Human Fighter (Tactician) 4
Stuff:
HP 39/49; Initiative +4; AC/Touch/FF 21/13/18; Fort/Ref/Will 7/5/2; CMD 17; Perception 0

A kid was having a very bad day.


human/wererat (Tian-Dan) lunar oracle 5 AC:21/13/18 HP:34/39 F:+2 R: +4 W: +7 Init: -1 Perception: +11 spells: level 2 4/5, level 1 0/7, gift of claw and horn 6/6, disguise DC 19

Ouch, don't know if it is better or worse that is wasn't an accident. Hope your brain heals well sir.

I loved the big bloated undead host. The conversation with Ed was worse the potential death not ambushing him gave us. Also the acid filled apples were great!

Yep even as opened minded Aster is eating dinner with a priest of undeath is beyond her. Plus the kids and all, of course.


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I'm sorry to hear that, Tarn. I hope you can get some rest and your health returns without issue. We're here whenever you get back.

You'll certainly be able to take a look, Ederion. I can sometimes find it difficult to provide enough clues rather than too many or not enough. I was wondering if I should have presented Baccus in human form (he can cast alter self). Oh well.

I would like to mention an unsung hero of this fight: Rexandi. Webbing Baccus was huge, because casting spells while grappled and in melee would be very risky. The misfortune hex also helped. In addition, healing Bazzle to make sure he wouldn't go down was extra huge, because guess who can cast Death Knell?

I had at one point considered using a reposition maneuver against Aster to throw her into the pit, but upon looking at the rules it doesn't allow such a thing. Do you guys have any opinions about using combat maneuvers/spells to toss people into hazardous environments?


human/wererat (Tian-Dan) lunar oracle 5 AC:21/13/18 HP:34/39 F:+2 R: +4 W: +7 Init: -1 Perception: +11 spells: level 2 4/5, level 1 0/7, gift of claw and horn 6/6, disguise DC 19

I am completely against throwing Aster into any pits.

But other than that minor point, yeah it makes sense they could have done that. Maybe allowing an acrobatics check to grab hold of the edge (which Aster would have failed miserably at since she has a -6).


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Yeah I would definitely make it a 2 step process. Step 1 being a "Get the person to move" and Step 2 being "mitigating the negative effects".

So in this scenario, I'd probably do the following:
Aster and the ghoul are on the edge of the pit.
1. Ghoul makes reposition cmb check against Aster's cmd
(if success, then Aster moves into pit. If fail, nothing. If crit fail ghoul moves into pit)

2. Aster rolls climb skill to catch herself when falling. I think DC 20+x is too much, but perhaps DC 10 or 15. Aster would likely have to drop whatever she's holding for this to happen. (Insert obi-wan vs darth maul)

3. Aster is treated as prone. If she takes damage, she has to reroll the climb check. She can make a new climb check to pull herself up. (Failure by 5 or more results in falling). A successful climb check still results in her being prone, but no longer at risk of falling. We could also say that a natural 20 results in an epic obi-wan highground defying front flip.

It's important to mention that you'd be welcome to use these tactics as well.

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Yeah I liked the skeletons in general. I simply gave the regular skeleton a level in either bard or... alchemist. And then I gave the alchemist bombs acid damage and poison on hit because it's just mean. Glad you enjoyed it! Baccus was also fun. Usually undead only say something like "Brainzzzz" and that's it. Chatty undead are cool.


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Female Tiefling Witch (Ley Line Guardian) 6 | HP 40/40 | AC 13 T 13 FF 10 | Fort +5 Ref +6 Will +7 | Initiative +3 | Perception +9 | Witch Spells: 1st—7/7 2nd—4/6 3rd—2/4 | Conduit Surge 3/4

I finally managed to do my support caster thing! :D


M Human Fighter 2

Instead of throwing them into a pit, throw them into a cookpot. Then they get burning damage as they try to scramble out.


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Phillip Gastone wrote:
Instead of throwing them into a pit, throw them into a cookpot. Then they get burning damage as they try to scramble out.

I happen to have a giant cauldron in the room behind. That would work well!


Info:
HP 47/47; Initiative +4; AC/Touch/FF 22/16/18; Fort/Ref/Will 3/11/6; CMD 21; Perception +16; Effects:

I try to be 'new school' but have been playing RPG for too long - so in my book yeah sure, you can use CMB maneuver to throw someone into a pit ;)

Your suggested process sounds solid Fox, so I am just shamelessly going to steal it (adding an AoO when someone goes for the reposition) :P

It 'feels' harsh getting out of it though, if your pushed in.


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Ederion wrote:

I try to be 'new school' but have been playing RPG for too long - so in my book yeah sure, you can use CMB maneuver to throw someone into a pit ;)

Your suggested process sounds solid Fox, so I am just shamelessly going to steal it (adding an AoO when someone goes for the reposition) :P

It 'feels' harsh getting out of it though, if your pushed in.

Go right ahead. Yes the reposition gets an AoO (unless they pick up improved reposition... which who does that?). It does feel harsh, but then again it's a two save process.

I was never old school, so sometimes I lose touch with that group. The stories didn't make much sense, but man does it look hardcore. Poor wizards with their d4 hp.


Info:
HP 47/47; Initiative +4; AC/Touch/FF 22/16/18; Fort/Ref/Will 3/11/6; CMD 21; Perception +16; Effects:

Yep, I actually lived through that, with a GM which insisted we should roll hp for level 1.

My wizard had 2hp, and went down trying to jump over a campfire :D


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Ederion wrote:

Yep, I actually lived through that, with a GM which insisted we should roll hp for level 1.

My wizard had 2hp, and went down trying to jump over a campfire :D

Ahaha that's insane. I'm always so scared to play a wizard or sorcerer, and by the time I was playing they raised it up to a d6. I would play dwarven wizards and I raised their Con to just below their Int, picked up toughness, specialized in abjuration, etc etc. To me starting with 5 or 6hp was just suicide.


Info:
HP 47/47; Initiative +4; AC/Touch/FF 22/16/18; Fort/Ref/Will 3/11/6; CMD 21; Perception +16; Effects:

Hmmmmmm, you're pulling hard on my memory but.... I'm thinking AD&D 2ed - I don't think there was even Toughness around :P

(not even referencing D&D Red box because then it was not around for sure :D)


human/wererat (Tian-Dan) lunar oracle 5 AC:21/13/18 HP:34/39 F:+2 R: +4 W: +7 Init: -1 Perception: +11 spells: level 2 4/5, level 1 0/7, gift of claw and horn 6/6, disguise DC 19

D&D Red Box! It was my first, though I don't think I ever really played it, the other 5th graders thought it was too difficult.


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I started with 4e and swiftly moved to pathfinder. Didn't know D&D existed until after high school. Once I discovered these games I was hooked. I made it my #1 hobby and passion for many years, mostly as a DM. These days I'm only doing forum games. I had problems with home/skype games, and I've slowly replaced them with getting my life on track.

I still love D&D and think about it regularly (I've pretty much rewritten Rise of the Runelords, but it would require a total restart of the game which I am so not doing.) This however is enough for me to get my fix.


Info:
HP 47/47; Initiative +4; AC/Touch/FF 22/16/18; Fort/Ref/Will 3/11/6; CMD 21; Perception +16; Effects:
Tarnagius Vashnarstill wrote:
Hey so I was hit in the head with a rock at work. I'm ok but I'm supposed to limit my screen time until we know I'm not super concussed, which could take a while. Bot me if you need to.

Crap, I missed this... Sorry to hear it Tarn. And yeah... I'm no good with social causes - I think I would throw him the rock back :P

Speed recovery man!


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I think I would throw him


Male
Vital Stats:
Gnome Unchained Rogue 6 HP -1/48 | AC 19, FF 15, T 15 | F +2 R +8 W +1 | Init. +3 | CMB 0 | CMD 13 | Speed 20ft
Perception +9

Its never fun to retaliate with kids even the 17 year old ones with thicker beards than yours. Then you get arrested your own kids get taken and you never work again. At least that's the nightmare.

Hope you feel better Tarn.


Male Human Fighter (Tactician) 4
Stuff:
HP 39/49; Initiative +4; AC/Touch/FF 21/13/18; Fort/Ref/Will 7/5/2; CMD 17; Perception 0

Doing ok, minor concussion, some glue to hold the pieces of my ear together and a lot of spite.

I started like most 20-somethings with 3.5, didn't like 4th except that it made martial characters slightly less boring to play with all those special moves and stuff and 5th is all right, but it's the simplest so that's what I play at work, when I get to instead of chasing kids around the woods and getting beaned with rocks or sticks. Almost all the staff I work with including myself had some serious issues growing up (for me it was underperforming ins school and a very bad temper) so we're more patient than most because we've been there ourselves.


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You lost part of your ear? *shudders* I'm glad that you're gonna come out of it alright, but it sounds awful. I've never had a concussion, but I imagine it's like a migraine on steroids.

You're right Bazzle, I fully agree with you. I might WANT to throw the kid, but no I wouldn't actually do it.

Yeah 5th is all right. Much more streamlined than Pathfinder, though lacking in customization relatively speaking. I can actually make a character in less than 2 hours. I had nothing against 4th, but I didn't play for long before the group dissolved. The next group played Pathfinder.

Oh so you were a problem student too? I didn't have the temper, but I had so much anxiety I did stuff like tell the school I had terminal cancer (which I did not and never showed signs of having any risk). Never did any homework, terrified of making friends, etc. Despite that kind of stuff, I didn't really crash until I graduated and tried going into the real world.
I hope that at some point I'll cope well enough that I could help someone in a similar situation. I'm not saying I'm dreaming of being a social worker or counsellor, but I didn't get much help until my early to mid 20's, and I wouldn't wish that experience on anyone.


Male Human Fighter (Tactician) 4
Stuff:
HP 39/49; Initiative +4; AC/Touch/FF 21/13/18; Fort/Ref/Will 7/5/2; CMD 17; Perception 0

It's hard to concentrate for very long, sometimes I make grammar mistakes when I'm speaking because it just kind of slips, and sometimes my head just feels foggy like I haven't slept in a long time. I just thought I was better than everyone else and that doing homework was beneath me because I could just show up, pay attention in class, and get an A on the next test so homework just felt unnecessary and petty to me. It took until my junior year of high school for me to learn to just shut the hell up and do it anyway because whether it's fair or not these teachers can still f%&~ me over if I don't play their little games and refusing to do s@*! was only hurting me. I stopped getting in fights and stuff when I was in 8th grade, which is good because I probably would have been sent to a continuation school or a group home like the one I work at now.


Male Human Fighter (Tactician) 4
Stuff:
HP 39/49; Initiative +4; AC/Touch/FF 21/13/18; Fort/Ref/Will 7/5/2; CMD 17; Perception 0

Oh, and my ear either split open near the top or a piece about half the size of a dime was taken off and fell on the ground. Not sure which, but I have one vulcan ear now and it's going to be a pretty awesome scar once it heals and stops hurting something awful.


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Oh okay so the concussion doesn't really hurt, you're just a little out of it?

Is 8th grade junior of high school where you are? It's 10th here in Alberta. We just call it the first year of high school, or a 10th grader. I too generally got A's on tests, but the reason I didn't do homework was because I did anything I could to procrastinate. It didn't matter if my parents/teachers were yelling at me, or if I was going to fail a class, or even when I did fail the class. I don't think it was a pride issue, but rather an anxiety.

Now you can cosplay Spock and you don't have to do anything with your ear! (Except hide the scar of course).


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I've added a new document to list any homebrew rules we make for this game. Right now I only have the 'move people into pits' rule, but please remind me if we've made anything else.

Also, if anyone is concerned about having a 'move people in pits' rule, please let me know ASAP. Thanks


Male Human Fighter (Tactician) 4
Stuff:
HP 39/49; Initiative +4; AC/Touch/FF 21/13/18; Fort/Ref/Will 7/5/2; CMD 17; Perception 0

Grades in the us start at 1st when you're starting elementary school-about 7- and just go up to 12 which would be your senior, final year of high school. The unofficial terms are freshman in ninth grade, sophomore junior senior.


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We've got
Elementary school: Kindergarten (age 4 or 5) to grade 6 (age 11 or 12)
Junior High school: Grade 7 to grade 9
High school: Grade 10 to 12. There used to be grade 13 in Ontario but I don't know if they still do that.

We don't use names like senior, sophomore, or anything like that. We just use the grade number. Without your explanation, I would be totally lost trying to figure out if sophomore came before junior or the other way around.

What languages do you guys offer at your schools? Here in Canada, just about every school offers some sort of French program, and Spanish is really on the rise. Those two are offered both right at Kindergarten as a primary language for most classes, or instead as a side class later on (grade 7 I think?). Some of our schools also offer Arabic, but it's pretty minor. Chinese folks usually have a Saturday school for their young kids.


human/wererat (Tian-Dan) lunar oracle 5 AC:21/13/18 HP:34/39 F:+2 R: +4 W: +7 Init: -1 Perception: +11 spells: level 2 4/5, level 1 0/7, gift of claw and horn 6/6, disguise DC 19

Spanish is taught just a bit in elementary school, but just a little. Other than that nothing really in elementary or middle school.

In high school, I got one kid in German, the another in Latin. French and Spanish were ones they could have picked. But that is just around here, probably different across the country, and of course if you could afford private school.

I took german, both in high school and college, and remember next to nothing, unfortunately.

Which did you take?


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I took French from Kindergaten up to grade 12. It was taught not just as a class, but was also used to instruct science, social studies, and math. I don't consider myself fluent any more, as my grammar was pretty bad to begin with. I can get by if need be, but it's hard to remember.

I did take a Japanese class in university, and a Spanish class in high school. I don't remember anything from either.

Are you from the US, Aster?


Male
Vital Stats:
Gnome Unchained Rogue 6 HP -1/48 | AC 19, FF 15, T 15 | F +2 R +8 W +1 | Init. +3 | CMB 0 | CMD 13 | Speed 20ft
Perception +9

I took Spanish in high school sophomore and junior year and forgot most of it. I took Greek in college (Bible Major), focused on translation, interesting but unless my intent was teaching college never touched again.


human/wererat (Tian-Dan) lunar oracle 5 AC:21/13/18 HP:34/39 F:+2 R: +4 W: +7 Init: -1 Perception: +11 spells: level 2 4/5, level 1 0/7, gift of claw and horn 6/6, disguise DC 19

Yep, the southern portion, so I do speak two languages, I guess. English and southern English. :)

French for 13 years is awesome. Honestly it would be great for schools here to do that, but choosing the language would be difficult I guess.

I know several people at work who picked up Greek in college as well Bazzle. They bring it up on occasion I think just to annoy the rest of us.


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Here in western Canada we speak English, French, and Redneck. Redneck is much more common outside the cities. It's all prairie land, cows, mountains, and oil. Even so far away from Quebec there are plenty of native French speakers. I'm surprised you don't offer that sort of thing for Spanish in the US. I'm always hearing about Mexican populations over there.

I wouldn't have guessed Greek as a second language, even for bible classes (I would've assumed Latin only). You couldn't have used your Bible Major in the church?


Male Human Fighter (Tactician) 4
Stuff:
HP 39/49; Initiative +4; AC/Touch/FF 21/13/18; Fort/Ref/Will 7/5/2; CMD 17; Perception 0

Yeah my dad is from Calgary and still has a bunch of family out in Alberta, BC and the Northwest Territories, so I actually understand Canadian Redneck pretty well. I'm from San Francisco, so the schooling here is a bit more cosmopolitan than a lot of places in the states. You can find Charter schools (not sure if you have those up in the great white north, they're basically private schools that get public school funds by proving that they serve niche communities that standard public schools don't and are very controversial) that teach bilingual education in seemingly almost any language on the planet.

I've seen: Spanish, French, Chinese, German, Italian, Tagalog, Japanese, Vietnamese and probably a few others I just can't think of right now. I personally went to a school where we learned Spanish and German from Kindergarten until 8th grade when we'd graduate and get to go to a high school. The local public high school I went to my first two years had Spanish German and French. I got into a special early college program that allowed me to take college classes for free simultaneously and the local college had classes in Japanese, Italian, and American Sign Language as well. I took Japanese, my younger sister took ASL, but is now living in Montreal majoring in French. I have a friend from Sacramento who went to a school that also offered Japanese and Chinese and Russian as well as the standard language options.

As for the languages people actually use here in San Francisco, official city announcements are in English, Spanish, Chinese and Tagalog at the very least. Sometimes you'll see Japanese and what I think is Vietnamese as well, but that's less common. You walk the streets and you'll hear mostly English and Spanish but go to the right neighborhood and people will be speaking almost any language you'll hear anywhere else.


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Calgary's where I'm from. That's pretty awesome that your dad's from here. Have you ever visited up North? I've been to LA briefly, but not San Francisco.

San Francisco is wayyy more multicultural than I would have guessed. Okay granted you're on the coast (so I would assume that you'd have more immigration traffic), but city announcements in Tagalog? To me that's pretty crazy. I definitely understand the idea of neighborhoods with just about any language.

I'm pretty sure we don't have Charter schools. We've got private, catholic, and public (I went to public). Spanish hadn't really gotten into the schools yet, so it was just English and French. I can't imagine taking classes like German, Italian, or anything like that until university. Do you know why you had so many language options in your schools?


Male Human Fighter (Tactician) 4
Stuff:
HP 39/49; Initiative +4; AC/Touch/FF 21/13/18; Fort/Ref/Will 7/5/2; CMD 17; Perception 0

Immigration into the US on the west coast all used to go through San Francisco, because back in those days LA was a small town with a church and the San Francisco bay was the best port on the coast. New York served a similar purpose. Because of that, Asian immigrants of all types came through and settled in the bay area, slowly spreading out from there just like European and African immigrants spread out from New York. There was a huge famine in China right during the middle of the California gold rush so huge amounts of Chinese people moved to California during the mid-to-late 1800s spreading from San Francisco, and later Japanese immigrants during the great upheaval that led Japan from the end of the Samurai era to the imperial Japan of world war 2 all came through San Francisco and mostly stayed in the area as well. San Francisco has by area the largest Japantown in the USA, I think, though the one in LA might have more people. It used to be even bigger but during world war two lots of Japanese-Americans were picked up and put into what were basically concentration camps and large numbers of Japanese-American families lost their homes as they were torn down and used to house black laborers for the shipping industry. Anyway, San Francisco has always had this air of exotic foriegn-ness.

That was only made stronger by the fact that that's where all the ships for world war 2 were built and that's where all the fighters in the Pacific theater, as well as the wars in Korea and Vietnam, shipped out from if they weren't shipped from there to Hawaii and then shipped out, and they brought back their foreign wives and girlfriends who brought other relatives blah blah blah Asians everywhere in California. It's actually the only state besides Texas I can reliably assume Japanese people know by name, mostly because of Hollywood but also because there are just a ton of Japanese people here.


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I heard about the concentration camps, but everything else there is news to me. It makes sense that San Francisco was the manufacturer of WW2 ships, but I didn't think of that. I wonder if Calgary has such a large number of Chinese people due to the same famine.

It sounds like a pretty cool place. I bet the food is awesome (omg and the fish! Yes ocean fish that isn't flown over a province and a half!)


DM Hell's Fox wrote:
I wouldn't have guessed Greek as a second language, even for bible classes (I would've assumed Latin only). You couldn't have used your Bible Major in the church?

For protestants Greek is more significant that Latin. The Old Testament was written in Hebrew. The New Testament was written in Greek with some pieces in Aramaic. Latin becomes significant in the centuries following because with the rise of the Church in Rome and Latin being the language of the day.

Yes the Bible degree is handy and often necessary for working in church but the average church is about its weekly programs, helping the community and caring for its people (ideally). Knowing greek is an almost purely scholarly endeavor and is part of the education track that aims at a masters or doctorate.

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