You think five armed adventurers ganging up on and killing one dude is cinematic? I can't think of one example of that happening in cinema....
I'm thinking dozens of armed senators and one very stabbed emperor. I stay with the classics.
I'm really hoping he screams out "you don't have the right to judge me" if he ends up going down.
Heh, but those senators weren't heroic adventurers. They were cowards that could only do what had to be done by attacking Ceaser at his weakest in mass.
Do you want that to be our legacy? 'The Heroes that ganged up on Nuro'
I'll take it!
Omen, next level Toramin gains Earth Channel. Does he ever count as an earth based creature himself with turning to stone and all that?
Why would you want to? You have to burn two lay on hands to use it.
I'm just curious.
Silly dorf.
Unless you gain an ability that says "you gain the earth subtype" then no.
Okay. Curiosity sated.
Waiting on Dalton. First round of detect magic tells you there is the presence of magic (no surprise since half the party in front of you has something magical on them). Do you intend to keep concentrating or try something else?
I think that Psotheos should have rolled his sneak attack for his surprise round attack given that the target was flat footed and within his increased range. 2d6 damage is nothing to sneeze at.
He's right, Marcus was flat footed. Go ahead and roll it.
Awfully quiet. Busy day? If I don't get a post by 11 I'll roll the sneak attack damage for Arjax and assume Dalton concentrates on his detect magic.
I'm around. I think we're waiting on folks.
Yea im just waiting till round two.
There is no need to have Dalton waste his action. He has in the past told us we can DMNPC him, we also know that he views magic users as the greatest threat (see drow priestess) at least have him TF her.
I hope your arrow kills him Psotheos it would be so poetic.
Thanks! I agree :)
Though it'd be really cool if whoever gets the final blow, hit due to the +1 bonus from Bjorkus' inspire.
Since everybody but Dalton has posted, should we DMNPC him for this round as well?
Did the light level change when the sorceress died?
No, it counteracted the darkness. Essentially neither one exists anymore.
So more Darkness could have been put up?
Yes, you can cast darkness again now if you wish
Probably not needed, but it is good to know in the future. We are still learning how to fight together.
I was totally expecting him to turn into a monster or something there.
Yeah, like a Zodiac Beast from Final Fantasy Tactics.
Or a robot!
Except for one thing. Im out of darkness for today.
Then we need to get you another feat. :-p
Can somebody heal the dwarf? Also check Marcus. I think he is a faker.
As for Dalton, Omen, I think he would probably be trying to get some blood from both Caladwen and Nuro, on the down low so to speak.
Psotheos, now is the time to take control of yoour country. If you start giving orders now, people are less likely to question them later.
How should we split the treasure?
Toramin would like the ring of protection and the amulet of natural armor, but he isn't greedy. He thinks the cloak should go to Psotheos or Lindale.
Actually you are greedy. I saw it on your character sheet. =P
That should be fine if Toramin is going to take the bulk of the heat. Did you have a plan for making sure everyone gets an equal share (or close to equal share) of the loot?
Toramin is planning on tanking. You also will need the protective items though marginal gains are more efficacious for me than you. My plan is giving people what they want/need. You wanted the cursed sword. Psotheos needed the icebow. We all need Resistance items eventually though my saves are currently good.
But I had no number crunching plan. :-) Which if people preferred one, I would be open to it.
The cursed sword isn’t actually worth anything since it’s largely useless. Unless Omen plans on giving me an avenue to redeem it, I’m happy to throw it through the woodchipper.
I think he said he was, but if you don't want it. That's fine with me too.
I don't think it's super serious. I'm just putting forth what I want. If you have a preferred method, I'll go with that.
I suppose we should see how Omen plans to handle things. If he’s going to do more of the Loot Giftcard method we saw earlier, it should be fine. If he plans to do more dungeon/adventure-style loot like the stuff we’ve been getting, we’ll want some form of formal loot tracking.
Forgive my uncalled absence yesterday - the storm passing through had me waylaid at someone else's house last night. and I haven't been able to get a chance to post in since; I will do so once I get caught up on the reading.
Good assumptions for my actions from what I read from Toramin and the GM in this thread though.
To be fair, I am fully behind taking this guy's armor from him.
He was a mercenary on the wrong side. What did he think was going to happen?
I don't understand the meaning of your blue text but it seems annoyed. If you have a problem with how I'm playing my paladin of the god of strategy. I would like to know now. So that we may work it out. I don't want the GM bearing a grudge against me.
Eh, Bjorkus would off him but he’s a ruthless pirate like that. When you conquer an enemy vessel, anyone that doesn’t sign on willingly either gets ransomed at port or executed.
As far as I can tell, dangerous loose ends is just part of being a paladin.
Toramin is less than concerned about Marcus' threats. His player is much more concerned when the GM starts talking about alignment and starts making snide commentary. That is concerning. Whether this criminal thinks he should go to his fate with his stuff, irrelevant. He clearly thinks his personal moral code is more important than the lives of a nation. Toramin has no respect for that.
I think he came to terms with Toramin's stance.
I think it's just in-character threats at this point.
If I am ever annoyed or otherwise unhappy with something I will be very blunt about it. Your observation on losing a tooth from non-lethal damage made me think "Oh so I don't know every rule to the letter, it's cool RP wise so I don't really care."
Marcus is a passionate man about his work, so he's arguing with you. His words are not a direct reflection of my own thoughts, the only characters that will be like that are Mary-Jane figures (which I keep to a bare minimum).
However, I do consider this un-paladin like, which I did bluntly tell you. It's not a big deal, and it's very in character due to your greed. I'm not going to strip your paladin powers, but I won't be forgetting it either.
I fully supported the non-lethal teeth knocking out.
Non-lethal damage is just that, not-lethal. There’s a lot that can happen to you that’s not lethal. Black eyes, bloody noses, etc. all fall within the realm of non-lethal. It's not magical Star Trek phaser damage.
Here is my problem.
I the player think, oh, awesome full plate want.
That is not Toramin's thoughts.
Toramin thinks that this man is a war criminal. War criminals don't get to walk free because they give their words. Their word is meaningless.
So, you can complain about my player greed, perhaps, even rightly, but to say this is un-paladin is what I vehemently disagree with. Toramin has never let any of these people who need to be questioned, tried, and, hopefully executed from going free. Toramin, the character, cannot wear that armor, and will deliver it and the prisoner to the army. Torag explicitly believes in destroy his enemy's capacities to do ill. Removing it and giving it to the army is very paladiny in my book.
Don't blame Toramin because his player showed greed. Toramin doesn't even have that trait.
If you think there is some misinterpretation on how Toramin or Torag believe how these sorts of things shhould go down, please let me know.
But it seems that you think it is unpaladinly of me to take this guy prisoner and relieve him of his armor and weapons. I want know why. I want no black marks on my record.
Then you and I are simply at disagreement as to what makes a man a criminal. This reminds me of Jamie Lannister who killed the mad king in Game of Thrones. He broke his oath as a knight when he stabbed his king, by the law making him a criminal. Some people saw him as such, others saw him as a savior. This man was in the same position but decided to not break his oath since he himself wasn't doing any direct harm to people, his only job was to protect the king should there be an attempt on his life.
Ignoring any of that, he says people will die without his release.
From your view every single member of the Xilres army is a criminal. Did it ever occur to you that their families were at risk of Nuro's wrath? That some had no choice but to fight?
Their guilt is for the martial courts to determine. This man may receive his armor back. He may even get a pat on the head. But the very fact that this man knows where those prisoners are reeks of criminal neglect and willful collaboration. This is a man who knows that a super bug was created. That it was being used on the populace but did nothing because he gave his 'word'. To me --personally -- that is quite awful.
To Toramin, whose god teaches him that the capacities of your enemies must be destroyed, letting him go because he isn't responsible for all the terrible things he allowed to happen because he gave his 'word' would be a sin.
However, you are the ruler of this game. If you are telling me straight up that you don't think this guy did anything meriting a trial and some pointed questions (if not the noose) and that Toramin will get a black mark against his paladin status, then I recant all these past actions vis-a-vis Marcus. Toramin is scrupulously both lawful and good. My failures to understand what is lawful and good to you, the GM, should not reflect on Toramin.
There is a very large difference between "you have a black mark" and "I'll keep it in mind". The main one is "I'll keep it in mind" can apply to any character, I'm simply noting a character aspect about them.
So generally, welcome to the gray area of the game. Decisions to make, decisions to make. Oh by the way, my previous dozen or so posts, I don't even agree with what I said (well not fully). I simply took the opposite viewpoint you did and argued with you (I'm pretty good at this) just to make you think. I created a situation that didn't have a clear answer.
Did anything meriting a trial? I don't think anybody could argue that he won't be put on trial.
Unless the phrase "Rule 0" comes up in a post, I will not levy any sort of divine decision upon the game.