GM Burglar's 4-13 Fortress of the Nail (Inactive)

Game Master mechaedd

Discussions?!?

Dot. Just realized with you DMing we do not have a healer.

Correction: we do not have a cleric. :-P

Also, after this weekend KULIK jumped up to 8th. (w00t, two judgements!)

I thought I pointed that out when you guys asked me to DM, though I may have just thought it really, really hard.

Asher's going to get a lot of usage out of that wand.

Hey, Kulik has CMW as a spell known. :)

Hey, Kulik has CMW as a spell known. :)

See? We're golden. ;-)

So does that mean you're willing to play healer?

Happy stick mayhem for everybody!

Seriously, I don't mind filling that role, though it likely means more standard actions spent casting than usual for KULIK. But that would also mean he can't fire his bow. And obviously he can't channel energy.

As long as everyone knows the limits ahead of time, sure.

Tanrov isn't worried. Horns is unstoppable.

Well hopefully it won't come to that, maybe we can just kill everyone before they can hurt us. We do have a lot of damage.

But in an emergency we might need you to heal someone who's dying/really low, which is probably going to be me.

I get stopped by plenty of stuff. Like double enervations for instance..

So, are we going with this 4?

Season 4 peace-speaking: This is a ROUGH scenario, even with the "4 players" scaling (though it's WAY better than the scaling in "The Disappeared" was.) There's a fully meta reason that Amira would never ever not-forever see this scenario in play. Hint: It rhymes with "Ben Tontsitiution."

Do we want to go with just you four or try to get more players? Getting a 5th will remove the scaling, but having 6 makes it... well... have six players. I know a local Gunslinger/Hellknight player who expressed a minor possible interest in both pbp and this specific scenario. However, that'd be more damage, not a healer, AND removing the scaling sidebars.It's not offensive if we tell him to shove off; he knows S4 is deadly and I can always run it again for the local PFS group.

Also, subtier math.

Detemining subtier with current group: 8 + 8 + 8 + 6 = 30 | 30/4=7.5

You can play up or down. Down will most likely be a snooze-fest with one speedbump and up will be a pretty hefty challenge. They make good with the rewards, though, so, yeah. That's my peace.

Well hopefully it won't come to that, maybe we can just kill everyone before they can hurt us. We do have a lot of damage.

I want to note that PFS writers have done a pretty good job in the past two season to help avoid this a lot of the time, though this could theoretically work. (E.g. Flying Wizards, use of non-ignorable mooks.)

Have stabilize, will travel. :-)

I'm admittedly out of practice playing that role, so I'll need y'all to keep me cognizant.

I vote up with 4 people because A) It minimizes the PBP drag-factor and B) I have to continue gathering empyerical evidence for my 'Season 4 isn't as scary as you think it is' argument.

Yea, I vote for 4 people too. None of the difficulty I've had in season 4 had to do with the number of people. We had 6 people in Blakros Matrimony for example....

Kulik: I'll be happy to yell at you for a heal. :)

Ashur: it might come to that; I can be kinda thick sometimes...

I'm okay with 4, though 1) it's going to take me through at least tomorrow evening to update KULIK to 8th (kids' concert tonight) and 2) JMSO it's Sethious who's taking the most risk since Erin's still at 6.

I do understand the sleepwalk concerns, but having watched what by all rights should have been a TPK over the weekend — it only wasn't cos the GM didn't want to and eased up on us — since several low-bies were talked into playing up, I am steadfast in this: if one person says no, I vote for it being a no for the party.

I also understand if that means you'd rather roll without me. No worries. It's gotta be fun for everyone, you know? :-)

I need to make a few purchases and I should be good. Although I think the odds are highly against Erin on this one, we will see where the virtual dice fall.

I understand Kulik's opinion. And I've been a part of a few TPKs or TPS(Total party slavery) while playing PFS. I've also died more than my fair share too. And I can honestly say that none of them were because we played up. We just have to be smart about this and not as reckless. Like running up alone to engage two rogue-like rakshasas who can just move to flank is not the wisest move, Erin. :)

But if you guys want to play down, I can play someone else(lower level) so we don't just squash this thing.

I had no idea they were rogues, and I thought my ac was 3 higher than it was, haha. I am good for playing up.

Well your ac was 3 higher against one of them at least, jut not the right one. So it looks like up it is then.

Up it is, and Kulik appears to be updated. Let's get this started.

If this were not a PFS scenario... I have the most ridiculous ploy ever that would actually work, lmao.

Burgler, I know we're partially started but would you mind if I changed characters?

With the story as it is, I'd like to bring my chelaxian sorcerer.

Unfortunately, we kind of got into the briefing. I don't think you can switch once the thing actually starts.

Incidentally, this topic came up in the discussion for The Disappeared, though for malicious intent switching.

E.g. "Fred Fighter listens to the briefing. Briefing says 'You'll need to talk to people.' Barbarian looks at his 5 Cha and realizes 'Well, I'm going to not do this mission with Barry Barbarian. I'll do it with Bill Bard, instead. He's got +15 Diplomacy!'

I think the general consensus was to enforce the no-switching, under the idea that "They had mission knowledge and can use it on a different character" problem. It kind of overlaps into this, but in a really mean-feeling way. I gotta enforce rules when I can, though (unless you can find otherwise. Then I'll be happy to let you switch.)

I understand the concern but it has nothing to do with mission capabilities (my sorcerer has no notable social/subterfuge skills).

The character in question made some jabs at Zarta in the chelaxian RP thread that I'd like to follow up on and the summary didn't mention that the ally in peril was her. =/

This is as frustrating as missing out on the shoanti fluff in green market.

FWIW, I have zero issue with Feral switching since no dice have been rolled yet and this has been principally roleplay.

JMSO, fun is the trump card. I knew I'd be at a serious disadvantage in the Blakros Matrimony using my Taldan Magus (who can't Diplo anyone and couldn't care less), but I really wanted to play it with that PC. YMMV.

I'll respectfully defer to Burglar's ruling, tho.

Oh, I wasn't accusing you of that, but I think I have to keep up with that ruling. I just have to try to keep the structure of Organized Play up and table variance to a minimum. The writers of the store page kept Zarta's name out of the description to prevent people from claiming more "Spoiler Titles," ironically enough. (Then "Day of the Demon" comes out, hilariously enough.)

Believe you me, this is the Hellknight Order that nearly wiped out the Shoanti as a whole. If there's nothing here special as Tanrov after we're done (or for any of you,) then I'd have to apologize, as I've failed as a DM. I don't feel I can allow a character switch after start, though.

Okay, if RAW is the straight-jacket here, what happens if I just drop out?

To my memory, you'd get a chronicle sheet for this scenario, 0 XP, 0 PP (for play with going through 0 encounters.) The only loophole was pregens, which really doesn't play to what you want.

If you can find anything to the contrary, put it up here. I'm admittedly wrong a LOT of the time, but I'm looking at the Disappeared thread now.

Can you link it?

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pbbe&page=4?411-The-Disappeared#172

Is the beginning of the idea

Yeah, I found it.

Mike's ruling was entirely to discourage people from gaming the system to optimize their chances for success. That is obviously not the case here. I'd hope you'd recognize that and let me change characters accordingly.

That said, if you insist. I will drop out with Tanrov. Take a 0 xp/0 gold chronicle with him and then play for zero credit with the actual character I want to play.

Sadly, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

As the sole crusader in my area in trying to stamp out blatant rule-bending (exceptionally so for my local coordinator and the players we're getting that are picking up a number of REALLY BAD habits,) I wasn't sure if I could allow this.

But, the table variation section of the Guide reads as follows

This does not mean you can contradict rules or restrictions outlined in this document, a published Pathfinder Roleplaying Game source, errata document, or official FAQ on paizo.com. What it does mean is that only you can judge what is right for your table during cases not covered in these sources.

Aside from the one-character-at-a-time-per-session thing, there is nothing in any of those sources about switching characters. The purview of "session starting" is pretty vague in pbp, too. Since you've gotten no Faction Mission and rolled NO dice, I'll allow the switch.

Most of this post was here to convince myself, mostly. I don't want to look like I'm accusing you of anything malicious; I just want to see Organized Play be something more than "You can't play Synthysists because someone whose not me said so."

Thanks Burgler.

Of course now it's going to turn out that the entire mod is full of situations where my sorcerer is the perfect fit and I'm going to look super suspicious...

Also, Burgler is a funny name.

Yep, somehow everyone is suspiciously vulnerable to fire...

Fun fact: The "Burglar" moniker is actually grew from the fact one of our local groups DM's once had to throw 4 npc enemies at someone in a woods ambush (home game, obviously.) So, he cracked open the DM guide and announced that 4 bugrlars decided to jump this halfling woman in the middle of the woods.

ME: "Burglars? In the woods?"
DM: "Yeah."
ME: "What are burglars doing in the woods?!?"
DM: "... Burgling."

Henceforth, all npcs will be assumed to be some kind of burglar until otherwise noted. (E.g. Sea-Burglars, Woods-Burglars, Extraplanar-Burglars)

Whoa, you just flipped on a ruling? This is so going on the calendar.

That calendar is gonna have a full half-month.

Well we had a good run at least.

Erin, if you pick up a potion of Darkvision we have a good party for Darkness.

Yeah, packing one potion of it.

That does sound like an awesome idea, looks like we have a superbowl.

Also, depending on the ambient lighting it might give Erin free reign for sneak attackery.

Okay, now you're making me half-regret the belt I bought rather than something that can cast daylight.

Team Darkvision!

Updated and good to go.

Note: My incompetent counterpart at work has (fortunately) quit, so I've been given his leftover work/position. The next day might be slow as the past week has been, if not more. Sorry. I'm about 75% caught up after two hours, so I should return to more normal-ish speeds by tomorrow.

Real Life Comes First [tm], Burglar. We're not going anywhere. :-)

Yea, I hate it when that happens. Do what you need to.