What is the legal status of daemon worship/summoning here?
If presented with compelling proof that this is indeed a 'a den of evil ... stinking of Abaddon', letting the archon free might not be all that bad in Ophelia's mind
I think that Archon made pretty clear that it will not acknowledge our jurisdiction, which implies it will not respect local laws. Ophelia may reconsider inviting someone who clearly states he will consider himself above the law...dunno how you see vigilantes, though ;)
Diene'd go for some batmanning in a heartbeat. :P
Could go either way in my mind. Qunatium is pretty cosmopolitan. But yeah whatever the law says should guide our actions I think. Also what the summoner himself says. He should be up any minute now.
Well, we can do some freelancing batman-stuff in our downtime, Diene. I'll willingly be the sidekick, if you provide a cool enough costume.
Is this turning into a Vigilante playtest? :p
On another note maybe DM could PM Thirus? See if he's still in the game?
well Isama, we both come from a history of crime and know the law is not waterproof. Often enough, the real culprit walks away unscathed because of some minor legislative loopholes, or because they make someone else take the fall.
So it would not be utterly surprising if we worked....outside the bounds of the system, from time to time ^_^
I have to apologize. Through my completely own fault I lost track of the game, and then it became easier and easier to not try to catch up. I doubt you want a player who does that (even once) so I'll bow out to clear away the deadweight for you.
I have to apologize. Through my completely own fault I lost track of the game, and then it became easier and easier to not try to catch up. I doubt you want a player who does that (even once) so I'll bow out to clear away the deadweight for you.
Can't speak for the others, but I would still gladly have you.
Things happen, and we took some time to get this going, as I told Morgan I fully take blame for part of that.If you want to bow out, I'd prefer you did it because you don't want to play any more, not because you feel you did something wrong.
Because I was looking forward to having you with us :)
I second Daria's opinion. It is really up to you if you like the game and want to stay or not.
I will give a different opinion.
As we're playing a group full of thoughtful players who like to approach from every angle to get an edge, players who like to rush in and then think on their feet may feel left out.
The adventure so far has been very nearly everything I was looking for. I hope for more like this. Mystery and multiple paths, combat and out of combat, deliberation and trickery.
If you're not having fun now, you might not be having fun in the future even if you tough it out.
Daria will recover her momentary lapse shortly, but Castor contradicting her judgement of the situation, the Commander free after she tried to replace him, the heat near the circle and a fanatical superpowered being intent on "cleansing" this place was too much. Right after rounding the corner behind Diene, she'll stop and come to terms with the situation, and decide not to run away...up to GM if it makes a difference in regards to the wax. It's just a couple seconds, and we took a long time coming here...or it may have reached a critical mass yet...
I'm going to a small cabin in the woods for 1-2 days, so I will sadly be missing internet for that time.
I have decided, after pondering this weekend. I will bow out.
Hopefully no hard feelings GM?
really, Ophelia?
a short holiday trip to a Cabin in the Woods?
with a few friends? for an adventure?
DO have fun ^_^ My bet is on the sexy witches.
@Thirus: Sorry to hear that. I wish you all the best.
@Thirus> See you around and have fun!
Just wondering. Daria, why are you so afraid of the Archon when you are not evil? You have not been exactly law abiding citizen but it does not know that anyway...
Just wondering. Daria, why are you so afraid of the Archon when you are not evil? You have not been exactly law abiding citizen but it does not know that anyway...
Exactly because she is not evil and has a darker past. Daria changed from her earlier life. A lot.
She used to do a lot of evil things, cutting purses, blackmailing, burglary. She did a 180° on her life, basically, and today, is a contributing member of society, helpful, friendly, and on the right side of the law.But exactly because she changed, she's all the more aware of her past. And what she knows about extraplanar beings that want to "cleanse a place stinking of evil" is that "I changed, that was all in my past!" is usually not a great excuse in their eyes when they are about to pronounce judgement for your sins on you.
So, long story short, she is mighty afraid of him because she is currently very aware of her past. And the fact she seemingly misjudged the situation in trying to transfer leadership to you and you telling her it was wrong stressed her and put her over the edge.
Just trying to have her act as I see it...sorry if it seems too dramatic-
No worries. Diene'd be waltzing out too if she didn't love fighting.
No problem. I actually like the reaction. Just wondering about the reasoning.
@Mia - Mmm. I met some small buzzing vampiric bugs. Think I would have preferred the witches :P
@Thirus - Good luck and see you around : )
@DM - *poke* I think Mia asked you something about information, which she in turn wanted to relay to the rest of us : )
I wanted to heal Thirus, thats about it. I would have rushed in earlier, but was not fast enough. Diene is significantly faster and jumped down the stairs :) So I'm fine with her advancing beyond me first, and repositioning Thirus.
I think DeMorgan is aiming for an heroic death, there, though...while I'd love to try and get everybody out, there's a limit to overextension...
Indeed, that seems about right! More than I'd hoped for.
we should have known. It's always the gardener...
Hm...they have 10 feet space and only 5 feet reach.
so they would need very specific placement to attack you.
possible schematic below
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but neither of the Oozes flanked. Maybe GM made an error in the setup and the corridor is not wide enough for all 3 to attack, actually?
Not trying to rules-lawyer or anything, but when something results in character death, as GM, I usually double check if everything happened exactly as it should...
honestly, I liked Diene and would be sad to see her go so anticlimactic. You sure you did not use shield on the way down? to bring your AC to 21? If GM finds out only 2 of the Oozes could have attacked then second one would have missed...or maybe the second Ooze was actually aiming at me since I'm also nearby?
I know it may have been stupid of us to rush in, but even if we are APL 6 it's an Encounter with "beyond epic" CR...maybe we missed something here -_-
Oh s***!
Well, we did check up on them. I think they would be "managable" due to being a Ooze, making them slow and vulnerable at range.
But setting it up so that one of our group is already in melee, without trying to use their slowness against them, making us rush in, may be a bit "trappy". I'll admit I did not check back on the info we gained earlier...which would have showns this to be a bad idea, but I would still have been bound to try and help Thirus. So if not Diene, it would have been me.
I think those Ooze-Types are set up to make one devastating strike, then get outrun ;)
But that strike was a bit too devastating, due to being 3-fold.
If they're mindless and want to eat Thirus wouldn't they just move around Diene to get back at him?
Might be more move *trough* then around...
I'm just hoping Ophelia doesn't look too delicious to any of the critters down here too ...
Well, if you're looking for a result that keeps Diene alive but doesn't change the story overmuch... Diene is critically injured as the beasts force past her towards Thirus and out for the rest of the adventure. Copious magical healing means she's on duty for the next adventure.
The gets hit then backs off result is also cool. Just tell me what your final ruling is and I'll roll with it.
GM+Diene, I think the backing off is the most fair, if the CR of the encounter is to be kept at 7.
While the split was deliberately triggered, that would be a factor in terms of action economy. Imagine a Wizard who has no more Hit Points, but gets to cast 3+ spells per round? Would his CR be affected? I would think so. (Obviously not the totally same thing here, but just chiming in saying what ruling I'd find most sensible.)
Or maybe the one ooze rushed towards Diene and "blocked" it's comrades, wanting Diene for herself...they may be mindless, but that also means they are not exactly looking out to cooperate...
Kinda holding my actions until I know the scene, just so you know I am not gone or anything : )
Also, having poor Diene getting ashed so randomly might fit if we are running a more gritty game, but now it sorta just feels a bit anti-climatic.
But part of the fault certainly lay with us knowledgy people. We made the rolls earlier and got a hum on the creatures, we should have stressed the 'they are very dangerous, don't poke them alone!' part a bit more!
Totally true, Ophelia.
In fact, "They are very dangerous, poke them from afar since they are slow!" would have been our advice.
Doesn't help much if a stubborn Dwarf NPC I promised to try and get out alive insists on melee combat with them instead of withdrawing. Forces me towards them, so even if Diene had been warned, I would have been the target instead.
Right. The Hounds of Tindalos. Why did we bother saving the Head Sorcerer? He's a goner. AFAIK those things are intelligent, so it could be reasonably expected they don't act like rabid....Hounds, right?
And he may well be bound to protect Constance but he can't do that if he's dead :P What was HIS Int again? ^_^
Alright, Isama could use a hydraulic push against... something. But there are a ton of possible targets to pick from. Also she could summon three water elementals but it would take her a round to do so. Suggestions?
Suggestion: Quench them. We only need in-game reasoning to do that.
@Quench - If it 'counts' as water, then it is a really really good move (inflicts some automatic damage, chance to stagger them all from their water vulnerability).
But except for the really suggestive name, the spell does not have the 'Water' descriptor nor does it seem to create actual water.
Gonna roll Spellcraft IC and answer based on that (perhaps Castor might have an idea also?)
Also, just to recoup what I know about the cage now being opened:
planes for the Hound of Tindalos
knowledge: planes roll 1 DC 22:
an invisible, teleporting, possibly time travelling creature from beyond reality and whose gaze is death
knowledge: planes roll 1 DC 27:
They're highly intelligent outsiders with significant magical ability to scry and a tendency to hold a grudge. It's very impressive they've managed to stop them teleporting away, but you are not getting paid enough to fight a pack of them. A pack of 4 is about CR 11, and you know it
emphasis mine. They are most likely kidnapped and held against their will, I would expect winning their freedom is covered in some part of the law and not punishable. If we later find the head honcho ripped into a modern art painting upstairs we can formally charge them with murder and file it away.
@Quench - If it 'counts' as water, then it is a really really good move (inflicts some automatic damage, chance to stagger them all from their water vulnerability).
But except for the really suggestive name, the spell does not have the 'Water' descriptor nor does it seem to create actual water.
Gonna roll Spellcraft IC and answer based on that (perhaps Castor might have an idea also?)
Well, Quench acts against fires.
Those things are fire-based.If water works against them, something that works against fire should work against them too.
But I second the Spellcraft-Check to find out it's an area-effect damage with no save against fire-based stuff and would also stop diene from burning -_-