Prehensile Hair (Witch Hex): Damage Type?


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As far as I can tell, the hair doesn't say if it's bludge/pierce/slash type, right? So, would it be at your DM's mercy?

Also, could it be used to grapple, or initiate other maneuvers?

Can it deliver touch attacks?

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PRD wrote:
Prehensile Hair (Su): The witch can instantly cause her hair (or even her eyebrows) to grow up to 10 feet long or to shrink to its normal length, and can manipulate her hair as if it were a limb with a Strength score equal to her Intelligence score. Her hair has reach 10 feet, and she can use it as a secondary natural attack that deals 1d3 points of damage (1d2 for a Small witch). Her hair can manipulate objects (but not weapons) as dexterously as a human hand. The hair cannot be sundered or attacked as a separate creature. Pieces cut from the witch's elongated hair shrink away to nothing. Using her hair does not harm the witch's head or neck, even if she lifts something heavy with it. The witch can manipulate her hair a number of minutes each day equal to her level; these minutes do not need to be consecutive, but must be spent in 1-minute increments. A typical male witch with this hex can also manipulate his beard, moustache, or eyebrows.

Hmm ....

I was sure it did say you can grapple, but I was wrong.

So my opinion:
- damage slashing or bludgeoning
- grapple: yes.

To add to your problems:
- my opinion is that they can be used to deliver touch attacks.


I don't think it would work but suddenly the idea of a Monk/Witch popped into my head. :p

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I would call it B/P, but if there is no answer, maybe it should be FAQ'd.


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...can manipulate her hair as if it were a limb ....
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...and she can use it as a secondary natural attack that deals 1d3 points of damage (1d2 for a Small witch)...

I think it is an normal unarmed strike regarding damage dice and type. So B is the answer. Due to the fact that you can use it like a normal hand/limb i think touch attacks, combat maneuvers etc. are possible.

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Petty Alchemy wrote:
I would call it B/P, but if there is no answer, maybe it should be FAQ'd.

Just to be difficult, I was thinking it could be all three. Flagged for FAQ


Eridan wrote:
Due to the fact that you can use it like a normal hand/limb i think touch attacks, combat maneuvers etc. are possible.

Combat maneuvers: Absolutely.

Deliver touch attacks with natural attack (full AC): Absolutely.
Deliver touch attacks with touch: ...maybe. FAQing.

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Updating OP to reflect the touch attack question.


Eridan wrote:
Quote:
...can manipulate her hair as if it were a limb ....
Quote:
...and she can use it as a secondary natural attack that deals 1d3 points of damage (1d2 for a Small witch)...
I think it is an normal unarmed strike regarding damage dice and type. So B is the answer. Due to the fact that you can use it like a normal hand/limb i think touch attacks, combat maneuvers etc. are possible.

Hmm, that makes some sense, but following that line of thought it would mean it actually does non-lethal damage by default, unless you have IUS.

It would also mean that you provoke AoO for attacking with it and using it to grapple (which usually is not dangerous since you're out of range, but just saying)

However you'd think they'd mention either of that if that was the case.

Of course you could say since it's magic, it behaves like an unarmed strike with the IUS feat even if you don't have it.

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Yeah, I would hesitate to call it an unarmed strike in terms of anything, even if the damage dice match.

Dark Archive

isn't it like a tentacle attack? look at things with those

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here

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The best match on that table IMO is "Other", since AFAIK it isn't called a tentacle anywhere. Which leaves us still needing clarification.

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I guess I can't justify hair as a slashing instrument in my mind...but it is magic.

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And if it can be used to grapple, could you activate it after being grappled to have a better chance to break the grapple?


Petty Alchemy wrote:
And if it can be used to grapple, could you activate it after being grappled to have a better chance to break the grapple?

You could use it to wield something while maintaining free hands to avoid the -4 penalty for not having two free hands.

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Breakfast wrote:
Petty Alchemy wrote:
And if it can be used to grapple, could you activate it after being grappled to have a better chance to break the grapple?
You could use it to wield something while maintaining free hands to avoid the -4 penalty for not having two free hands.

I'm pretty sure that -4 penalty is only for the person initiating grapple. I'm more concerned about using my +5 Int rather than my -2 Str to wrassle.

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Not gonna lie, I don't know how FAQing works. Should I try to keep this topic afloat?


If the hair works like an extra limb with 10' reach, that means you can use it to Attack-of-Opportunity an enemy who's trying to get in melee range, right? Could be a useful trick. (Sadly, I don't see any good way to get a free trip attack on a charger.)

Grand Lodge

Petty Alchemy wrote:
Not gonna lie, I don't know how FAQing works. Should I try to keep this topic afloat?

Look at your first post, in the upper right hand corner should be the letters FAQ, click it.

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I can't see a lock of hair, even superstrong hair, dealing P or S damage.

As for grappling, it says, "Her hair can manipulate objects (but not weapons) as dexterously as a human hand", which sounds like you certainly could grapple, disarm, steal, and so on with it.

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