
baldwin the merciful |

Want to make sure that I understand the mechanics here. Is it crew against crew in single rolls... and the PC's and NPC's fighting. Or do I need to deal with all the mooks between me and the NPC's as well if I come into a space that is threatened by a pirate?
I guess my questions is if I charge the spell caster, will the pirates each get an AOO or just one AOO.
Watched Game 6 of the Stanley Cup Finals yesterday so I was offline.
I'll have to evaluate, with players comments/suggestions, on how the crew battles go, but that will be once this particular scenario. Right now, I will have the crew take a single AOO.

Astrianna Sparacello |

I'll try to take out the elemental. Sorrin is in a fog cloud right now, so his ranged options are limited. But he has Haste so he has a 60ft base speed.
He might be able to jump over there honestly.

Astrianna Sparacello |

Duly noted, I did not realize Ear-piercing Scream was LOS and LOS is blocked by fog.
F*+@ing fog cloud. Next time we're in Shaw I'm buying a Fan Feather Token and using it as a personal fog disperser.

baldwin the merciful |

As I understand it, essentially a spell with "Target" description equates to LOS, such as:
Ear-Piercing Scream
EFFECT
Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target: one creature
Duration instantaneous; see text
Saving Throw Fortitude partial (see text); Spell Resistance yes
versus an area spell with "Area or Effect" description which is LOE, such as:
Fireball
EFFECT
Range long (400 ft. + 40 ft./level)
Area 20-ft.-radius spread
Duration instantaneous
Saving Throw Reflex half; Spell Resistance yes
Fog Cloud
EFFECT
Range medium (100 ft. + 10 ft. level)
Effect fog spreads in 20-ft. radius
Duration 10 min./level
Saving Throw none; Spell Resistance no

Astrianna Sparacello |

Yup makes sense to me. A spell that requires a TARGET needs Line of Sight (which can be blocked by anything that obscures sight, such as fog), and a spell with an AREA needs Line of Effect, which is not blocked by fog.
To answer your question Ptahh, summoning is not a targeted spell, so it's not blocked by fog. Still sucks though.
I wonder why they don't let us just make the concealment roll for targeted spell as if we were firing a ranged weapon. I've always thought that strange.

baldwin the merciful |

Here is the rule to further clarify:
Some spells create or summon things rather than affecting things that are already present.
You must designate the location where these things are to appear, either by seeing it or defining it. Range determines how far away an effect can appear, but if the effect is mobile, after it appears it can move regardless of the spell's range.
So, Bri in her spell casting would be describing the area she wants her stinking cloud to go over, even though she may not be able to "see" the poop deck.

baldwin the merciful |

I thought 20ft radius was a sphere. So if cast 20 up, would only affect 4 squares on the deck.
As opposed to a cylinder, like flame strike.
You are correct. The 3d aspect represented on a 2d grid is confusing. I incorrectly extended the 2d shape up and down from it's edges, which would have been more cylinder in shape. Although, technically, if you are taller than 5 feet your head is still in the fog cloud with a 5 foot move.

Sorrin the Wayward |

I throw myself upon the mercy of the court! Please may I be considered stooped, crouched but not prone and be out of the fog?
And another thing :)
Fire is bad Juju. The fire rules in PFSRD... are harsh. And they souls have started with Bri's fireball.

baldwin the merciful |

I throw myself upon the mercy of the court! Please may I be considered stooped, crouched but not prone and be out of the fog?
And another thing :)
Fire is bad Juju. The fire rules in PFSRD... are harsh. And they souls have started with Bri's fireball.
Stoop, crouch get yourself in the battle.

Astrianna Sparacello |

Chell you could also put a swarm directly into the gunwales, and fill the gundeck with wasps/ make the ballista unusable.
I'm sad we won't get to see a post about Chell coming to terms with using the staff, I hope you get a new computer soon!

Chell Silves |

That might hurt the prisoners. It said the cries were coming out of there.
-Posted with Wayfinder

baldwin the merciful |

baldwin the merciful wrote:Yeah...I erred in my higher math skills.10 is higher!
You're running an epic turn based battle, kudos! Not making fun, just something I noticed.
You knew you'd get to the number 10 eventually, too bad it's not when you roll the dice. :-)

Astrianna Sparacello |

Wow. This is going stupidly poorly.
Too bad Chell will finish the summoning before Astri or she'd grease the spot the insects were appearing for maximum carnage.
How is the fire elemental hopping around the sails?

Sorrin the Wayward |

I don't believe bull rush would allow Ptahh to be pushed over the rail (an obstacle).
"You cannot bull rush a creature into a square that is occupied by a solid object or obstacle."
I'm calling it an obstacle because when Sorrin had tried to jump from a ship you'd said the rail was in the way and he couldn't get a running start. He had to climb then jump.
2 cents.

baldwin the merciful |

I see the wording, I disagree with your position about not being pushed over a railing, but that's fine he won't go into the ocean. Using similar logic the hydraulic push wound not work if Ptahh was standing next to stars, since the stairs would be an obstacle, even though that the perfect place to bull rush a person.

Sorrin the Wayward |

I see the wording, I disagree with your position about not being pushed over a railing, but that's fine he won't go into the ocean. Using similar logic the hydraulic push wound not work if Ptahh was standing next to stars, since the stairs would be an obstacle, even though that the perfect place to bull rush a person.
Stairs up, no... Stairs down, yes!
I'd consider it a matter of resistance.
Rails on a ship, specifically are meant to keep one "from" falling overboard. It's that irony that prompted me to look at the wording.
Also,there is similar mechanic I feel that always bugged me about teleport or phase or something where you can't move the target into an unsafe square. If I find it, I'll share.
And, thank you!

Ptahh |

Sorry. Late night with the kids and then just crashed in bed. So, am I in the water or not? Looks like Baldwin says I'm not here, but still listed in the initiative order update that I am. Just need to know so I can make my move.
Also, what was the result of the crew attack last round that I rolled? Did they hit and/or kill anyone?

Sorrin the Wayward |

Here are some folks discussing this, found it this morning.
In case anyone is interested or we want to consider house rule?
We mostly agree. I'm offering the interpretation because it could be a HUGE difference in outcome.
I understand your point about the stair as a stumbling block. Could imagine a reflex save to stay on your feet.
Bull Rush is very powerful, if circumstantial.

Ptahh |

Making a record of my bonuses.
Inspire(Intimidate): 1d20 + 15 ⇒ (14) + 15 = 29 +1 Atk/Dam for my crew for 8 rounds. This was round 6 so it will last until round 14.
+1 Atk Bless
+2 Atk/Dam for Inspire(Astri)
+1 Atk/Dam for Inspire(Ptahh)
+2 Atk/Dam or Haste or Move 30' for Blessing of Fervor
Crew +2 Str +1 Dex +3BAB

Astrianna Sparacello |

Ha! It happens. That druid had some spooky powers. :)
Those lightning bolts are facking annoying. 7d6, what the s%!!? I guess that's what we get for lining up. Where is the levitating caster at and how far away are they, anyway? Probably too far away for us to do anything. Sorrin, can you take him out with ranged?
I'm going to try and keep the priest on lockdown.
Also, great post Chell.

baldwin the merciful |

Ha! It happens. That druid had some spooky powers. :)
Those lightning bolts are facking annoying. 7d6, what the s*%%? I guess that's what we get for lining up. Where is the levitating caster at and how far away are they, anyway? Probably too far away for us to do anything. Sorrin, can you take him out with ranged?
I'm going to try and keep the priest on lockdown.
Also, great post Chell.
He is 80 feet away from you.
I'll put him on the next small scale map.

Astrianna Sparacello |

Astri has taken 2 lightning bolts before this, the last dice being a 2 and a 4, so she'll just take the 6 hp
80 feet away is still too far for ear-piercing scream sadly.

Chell Silves |

Good for you Ptahh.
-Posted with Wayfinder