A Rise With A Difference

Game Master Dabbler

How are we doing hp again? Still need to update some stuff on the char sheet page.

I believe it's roll or take half HD +1.

I'll go with the hd+1 this time. Thanks.

It is!

Would it be better to ask questions here instead of the IC thread?

Certainly.

Sorry about that, then. I forgot protocol for this game.

So, is blink a free/swift/immediate action spell-like? It's nasty.

No, it's not. I thought about pulling it out, but really the barghest had rushed into the fight in his eagerness to be free. Ironically, he couldn't escape the chamber even with the door open. He was hoping to render some of you helpless and bargain from there for a dispel magic. He wasn't to know you couldn't cast it...

Hahaha. That's great. Poor evil guy. Even fiends hope.

Can you imagine it, 10,000 years in a stone box, and the first people through the door kill you...

<sad trombone>

<sad trombone>

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Ok, Now might be a good idea to go over the Treasure. Here is a link to the treasure spread sheet. If there is something you want, don't want, or don't want someone else to have, let me know or edit the spread sheet accordingly (it should be editable by anyone with the link). Also If you think something is missing or wrong let me know or edit it accordingly. If you have trouble with the spread sheet, let me know.

Edit: Were we able to get any treasure from the sunken room with the helmet crab. I remember that we rushed out of that room with a plan to return to it.

Edit 2: The following items are either still unidentified, needing appraisal or both.

Seven Pointed Star Amulet (Value, Unless Gornak or someone else keeps it
Grogmurt's 'well made' Cloak (Not sure if this is treasure or not)
Rippnugget's Dogslicer (Never Identified.)
Small weapons and armor from the armory (Not sure if this is treasure)
Trapped Chest (Not sure if this is valuable/worth keeping)
fine blue silk gown with silver trim (Needs Appraisal)
Jade Necklace (Needs Appraisal)
gold holy symbol of Sarenrae (Needs Appraisal)
34 badly flawed malachites (Needs Appraisal)

I don't know if anyone has any skill in appraisal. Here are Thanadros's Feeble attempts

Edit: Were we able to get any treasure from the sunken room with the helmet crab. I remember that we rushed out of that room with a plan to return to it.

The helmet is worth 300gp (although it takes a lot of effort to get it out). You also find: 3,500 sp, 630 gp, 40 precious stones worth 10 gp each, and a jade amulet that transpires to be an amulet of natural armor +1.

Edit 2: The following items are either still unidentified, needing appraisal or both.

The items can be identified and valued by the visiting priests of Torag and Abadar, they're happy to assist as you have done the town and the travellers on the road a great service.

Seven Pointed Star Amulet (Value, Unless Gornak or someone else keeps it) - this is a strange and special item. Mr Quink has to be called in to identify it as a Sihedron Medalion. The wearer can cast false life on themselves as a swift action once a day, and it grants a +1 resistance bonus on all saves. Quink is very excited and wants to hear all about Thistletop.

Grogmurt's 'well made' Cloak (Not sure if this is treasure or not) - this is a +1 cloak of resistance.

Rippnugget's Dogslicer (Never Identified.) - +1 dog slicer.

Small weapons and armor from the armory (Not sure if this is treasure) - not much anyone would pay for, unfortunately. This is probably best left to Gob and his Goblins.

Trapped Chest (Not sure if this is valuable/worth keeping) - not valuable.

fine blue silk gown with silver trim (Needs Appraisal) - 150gp

Jade Necklace (Needs Appraisal) - 60gp

gold holy symbol of Sarenrae (Needs Appraisal) - 100gp

34 badly flawed malachites (Needs Appraisal) - worth 1gp each

Honestly there isn't anything here gob desires. A loot share will help him save up and start to supply the goblins with basics.

Gornak wants to keep the medallion, if possible. The swift action False Life is really handy!

I'm good with Gornak keeping the Sihedron Medallion.

The jade Amulet of Natural Armor +1 would probably be good for either Thanadros or Vaclav.

Anyone need the Cloak of Resistance +1?

I'm a big fan of using what we find if we can, so here are a few thoughts before we cash everything in.

Stuff Listed So Far:

Thanadros
+1 Bastard Sword
Everburning Torch
Mwk Manacles
Nets

Aylmora
Scrolls
Wand of Magic Missile

Gornak
Potion of Cure Serious Wounds
Seven Pointed Star Amulet

Gob (All this is the stuff listed that you have, but then you said you didn't want anything. I'm assuming were selling it, but if you want it let me know.)
Sm Mwk Shield
+1 DogSlicer
Gold Crown

Vaclav
+1 Brestplate (?)

Things to Consider:
+1 Brestplate: I recommend Vaclav take the brestplate if he can get it 'Untainted.' If Vaclav doesn't want it, Thanadros will take it.

+1 Bastard Sword: Thanadros wasn't planning on keeping it, but it turned out kinda useful. I'm not married to it so if you guys rather sell it that's fine.

+1 Natural Armor: We should keep this. I recommend Vaclav over me. The better protected the healer the better!

+1 Cloak of Resistance: We have two of these. I recommend one to Vaclav for the same reason and one of us should take the other. Did you want the other one Aylmora?

Nets: Nets are great, even if your not proficient with them. I say we keep them. If no one specifically wants them, Thanadros will hold onto them.

If we Keep everything above this line (except for the ones listed under gob, it sounds like he didn't want to keep them) we are looking at ABOUT 2680gp if you want to start looking into buying stuff. I will give an exact amount once I get a final verdict on the stuff.

Few last thoughts.

Potions: I'm on the fence for keep or selling all of these except for the cure serious wounds potion, which should stay with Gornak.

Ring of Force Shield: This Item is alot better that I thought. Any one of us could probably make good use out of this. Gornak would probably benefit the most. It is a free action at will, so you can turn it off attack and turn it on. It will probably lock attacks of opportunity down for 2 handed weapon users though. It is probably the most expensive item we plan on selling though, so if we do keep it will hurt the cash hard. I'd rather have someone keep it if they can make good use out of it though.

Forgot the crown & shield. Gob keeps the crown. I don't care about the sword. Gob would rid his tribe of it so as not to honor the memory of the fallen chief. The shield was given to snovli i believe so i'll keep that for story reasons but am happy to sell it since the goblins got to keep their own goods and equipment.

How does this party split loot? Do people who take items subtract that from their share of goods sold or do they benefit more by claiming items?

Nets: Nets are great, even if your not proficient with them. I say we keep them. If no one specifically wants them, Thanadros will hold onto them.

I assume they're Small-sized nets, correct?

How does this party split loot? Do people who take items subtract that from their share of goods sold or do they benefit more by claiming items?

I agree that's the most equitable way to split items in the long run. Although that might change Gornak's decision to keep the Sihedron necklace if it turns out to cost 20,000 gp or something like that!

+1 Cloak of Resistance: We have two of these. I recommend one to Vaclav for the same reason and one of us should take the other. Did you want the other one Aylmora?

I wouldn't say no to a +1 Cloak of Resistance.

I think in the past we just handed out whichever items benefited the party most, or that players wanted, which would indeed benefit those that claimed items more than those who don't. I have no qualms with buying items off the party though if that is how everyone wants to do it. If we do that I say we just give Gornak the star amulet since we don't know how much it costs. If we do this, I say that everyone who buys something off the party would buy it for half price.

My vote is for giving items away to party members who wants/could use them best.

Thoughts?

Edit.

I will only ask to take the Everburning torch, the Mwk Manacles, and the +1 Breastplate IF Vaclav refuses to take it. He needs the AC more that I do. Did you want one of the cloaks or the amulet Gob? There was a bunch of scrolls, I'm sure Aylmora would be willing to share with you.

I'm good with people keeping the items they can use, or for buying things off the pary for half price if folks want to do it that way.

If we go who can use what best, i would take whatever has the best resell value that others do not need. 90% of loot will never benefit me much, and the verisimilitude-roleplay slanted approach would leave me pretty poor in useful gear in my experience with casters. I'll gladly go with the majority but i'm a bit worried as a player that i'll be relying nearly exclusively on my class.

If we go who can use what best, i would take whatever has the best resell value that others do not need. 90% of loot will never benefit me much [..]

Been there and done that! If you want to sort out the value of all the shares based on the assumption of paying resale value for items, go ahead.

Give the gear to those who can use it best, especially the martial types. I don't begrudge the front liners anything.

Speaking as one of the martial types, I actually like W Canepa's method better; I just find the work of calculating the shares a bit tedious.

I think it's a good thing to make someone think twice about holding on to a Helmet of Underwater Action, for instance, since that would mean locking 12,000 gp worth of party treasure into an item that's only marginally useful.

For what it's worth, Gornak is going to be taking Craft Magic Arms & Armor at level 5, so keep that in mind.

Its about half and half, and it seems pretty important to W Canepa, So we will go with the purchase from the party way.

I'll figure out the total share value of selling all the items, and then if you want something, deduct 1/2 the items value from your share and/or your actual money.

Gornak's pendant will not be included because I don't have a value for it. If you guys want Gornak to purchase it from the party, you can work it out with him.

I'll get the total tally up ASAP.

I was just voicing opinion and preference, but i'm the newcomer with a brief hiatus. I'm honestly happy to just play. It seems the majority favor the less tedious method. Maybe a compromise of estimation instead of cp tracking?

Each Character gets 3550gp, 6sp, & 6cp
If you buy something from the party, please list it encase someone else wants to buy it. If two or more want an item, it is between them how they figure out who gets it. The system expects the items to be sold at 1/2 price, so no auctioning or anything like that.

If we go who can use what best, i would take whatever has the best resell value that others do not need. 90% of loot will never benefit me much, and the verisimilitude-roleplay slanted approach would leave me pretty poor in useful gear in my experience with casters. I'll gladly go with the majority but i'm a bit worried as a player that i'll be relying nearly exclusively on my class.

Claiming an Item for the purpose of selling it would go against the spirit of the way I was proposing the loot distribution, and I assume that others in the group would probably have no problem increasing a characters share, or giving an expensive item to a player to sell if they were falling behind the curve. That being said, this way has bogged down the game pretty substantially. Buying from the party is probably the way to go in PBP. I never played a psion before, but I never really needed much in the Magic Items department for my spell casters. Half the time I ended up lending money to other party members or dumping money into wands.

That reminds me though. If anyone wants to buy something out of their price range, Thanadros is willing to lend some money.

Things Thanadros wishes to buy.
Everburning Torch (55)
+1 bastard Sword (1167.5)
Mwk Manacles (25)

If Vaclav Doesn't want it...
+1 Brestplate (675)

Items Planning on purchasing...
Strength +3 Mwk Composite long bow (700)
Wand of Cure light wounds (750)

Thanadros will find a time when Vaclav is not busy and ask him to come and help him pick up a wand of healing.

Once everyone has figured out what they want Thanadros might take another look at what is left over.

Also If your on the fence about buying an item from the party, I recommend buying it. Since your only paying half price, you can always sell it later

I was just voicing opinion and preference, but i'm the newcomer with a brief hiatus. I'm honestly happy to just play. It seems the majority favor the less tedious method. Maybe a compromise of estimation instead of cp tracking?

Actually in hindsight, buying from the party is probably less tedious for a PBP game. Not everything will be kept and shares still need to be calculated. Instead of trying to figure out who gets what, if you want it you buy it. done. The only snag is if more than one person wants it, but that's between them.

I'm still in favor of passing out items as we find them to be used until we divide up the loot though.

Gob's only needs in the magic item department would be stat boosting items, power point increasing items, psicrystals, etc. What he is most interested in is training and supporting his fledgling soon to be CN tribe of goblins. At first i disliked the idea but now i really like it. It gives him focus and purpose. Establish usefulness of the tribe through trade, become an acceptable ally to sandpoint and his new friends, etc.

Things like foodstuffs, nails and tools, better hunting weapons, games and entertainment items, art supplies, cloth, locks, carpentry/hunting/fishing/sewing/crafting/brewing/etc. training, etc. are all things gob can purchase. Either directly or abstractly at the GM's preference.

Gob will purchase small mw shield and gold crown. Not sure total value.

Everything is in the treasure spread sheet. If you can't get to it, here is a quick list of the stuff and their sell value in gp:

gobs looking at spending 100gp from his share for the crown and shield.

Thanks for going through the trouble. I should have the money to buy a netbook soon so i'll at least have real internet and a keyboard, pbping will be easier and i can do more myself.

Wow, Jlord, that's a big list!

Method I have always used is:

Items go to whoever can use them best.
Everyone keeps a running total of their value.
Cash is then distributed to make up the difference until everyone balances.
It is accepted that sometimes people will be ahead or behind, but it all evens out in the end.

You guys use whichever method works for you, though.

Gornak will take the Sihedron amulet; I'm assuming that has a sale price of at least 1,000 gp (and probably much more).

It is accepted that sometimes people will be ahead or behind, but it all evens out in the end.

In theory, but if it's a pre-made module you're playing and the GM isn't adapting the treasure, you can end up with plenty of stuff for certain classes and very little for others.

Individual Loot Share: 3550 gp, 6 sp, 6 cp

Items Aylmora would like to buy from the Party Treasure:

Wand of Magic Missile (38 charges) - 285 gp
Scroll: Sleep - 12.5 gp
Scroll: Minor Image -75 gp
Scroll: Comprehend Languages - 12.5 gp
Scroll: Whispering Wind - 75 gp
Scroll: See Invisibility - 75 gp
+1 Cloak of Resistance - 500 gp

Subtotal of Share Spent: 1035 gp

Items Aylmora would like to purchase:

Handy Haversack - 2000 gp

Share Remaining: 515 gp, 6 sp, 6 cp

jlord, excellent work.

Vaclav will pass on the breastplate. He'll invest in the ring of forceshield instead, if he can borrow (4250-3350=) 900 gp from Thanadros. (Dabbler, this also assumes he eventaully identifies the ring for what it is?) If he can borrow an extra 100, he'll buy the Sarenrae holy symbol for use by her followers at the cathedral.

Vaclav will offer to bless the breastplate for Thanadros and to get Father Zantus to help to take any taint off the armor.

Yes, the ring has been identified, it's not a problem. The Saranrea worshippers will probably club together to purchase the symbol themselves if you want the money, or you can be generous, it's up to you.

Worth it just for the prestige.

Reworking things a little bit so Vaclav can get the ring.

Things Thanadros wishes to buy from Party.
Everburning Torch (55)
Mwk Manacles (25)
+1 Brestplate (675)
The other +1 Cloak of Resistance (500)

Items Planning on purchasing...
Strength +3 Mwk Composite long bow (700)
Wand of Cure light wounds (750)

Selling...
Strength +2 Mwk Composite long bow (+300)

Loaning...
1000 Gp to Vaclav. (1000)

145.6.6 Remaining.

Few Things of Note:

The Potion of Cure serious wounds has not been claimed. Gornak was assumed to take it, so he'll have to pony up 375 for it if he still wants it.

There is still the +1 Amulet of Nat Armor available. Very good Item to have for 1000gp.

There is a +1 suit of small Hide armor. Not sure if Gob Can wear armor or not.

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Gornak, the shares I gave out do not include your pendant, so you do not have to buy it back from the party. I think everyone wants you to have it. If you are adamant about buying it back from the party, then everyone would get a fifth of whatever you spend on it, including yourself.

Okay, Gornak will take the "free" necklace and his share of the loot (3550.66 gp). I'm not interested in a potion of CSW.

Somebody should hold the CSW potion in trust for the party. They shouldn't have to pay. It can be used if someone goes down and Vaclav can't cure them for some reason.

Somebody should hold the CSW potion in trust for the party. They shouldn't have to pay. It can be used if someone goes down and Vaclav can't cure them for some reason.

It's true that we should have some backup form of healing, but it's kind of a slippery slope. I mean, I can imagine a situation where Gornak is out of power points for Vigor and Vaclav isn't available for healing. And I can imagine a situation where a potion of Cure Light Wounds isn't good enough either. But I can just as easily imagine a situation where one potion of Cure Serious Wounds isn't good enough as well.

I'd rather buy a potion or two of Cure Light Wounds or maybe some power stones (psionic scrolls) of Vigor and chip in for a wand of Cure Light Wounds as well.

I'm gonna clean out the treasure sheet shortly, so If anyone wants anything, so it soon.

"Hey Bethanna! I need a pig's butt on a raft with some boiled leaves!"

Brilliant!

I guess just the ring and the Sarenrae holy symbol for me from the loot.

Individual Loot Share: 3550 gp, 6 sp, 6 cp

Items Aylmora would like to buy from the Party Treasure:

Wand of Magic Missile (38 charges) - 285 gp
Scroll: Sleep - 12.5 gp
Scroll: Minor Image -75 gp
Scroll: Comprehend Languages - 12.5 gp
Scroll: Whispering Wind - 75 gp
Scroll: See Invisibility - 75 gp
+1 Cloak of Resistance - 500 gp

Subtotal of Share Spent: 1035 gp

Items Aylmora would like to purchase:

Handy Haversack - 2000 gp

Share Remaining: 515 gp, 6 sp, 6 cp

Aylmora will also purchase a masterwork darkwood light crossbow, which should cost 375 gp. So Aylmora's remaining wealth is 140 gp, 6 sp, 6 cp.

Your crossbow will come custom-made from Savah's - it bears her stamp and your own initials, and is very finely carved.

Gob would like to find a safe place to deposit/store/invest his loot for use at a later time. He will spend 1000gp toward his tribe. Seeds, skill training, timber, food stores, games, art supplies, linens, fishing gear, etc., etc.

Gob's ending wealth:
2550gp, 6sp, & 6cp

Maybe he can work something out with Mr. Parooh?