I think Tanner is playing his character very nicely. Mawj is a forlorn elf with favoured enemy human, so I think she would have treated the humans exactly how she did. I think staying the other side of openly evil is one of the character traits she will constantly struggle with in this game and that makes her an interesting character.
I agree. I like the way Mawj is being represented and am enjoying reacting to her...passion. :) And we all knew we'd be having some interesting rp experience with the variety of alignments our groups are bringing to the game. I also agree that Mawj's treatment of humans is perfect; I've been playing Lev from the perspective that he didn't know humans were her favored enemy, but seeing her actions in battle he now has a pretty good idea that she acts with a level of ferocity that he feels when confronting fey.
I can guarantee that Lev is going to come across some situations very soon where he is going to have similar moral dilemmas.
Awesome. :)
A rule question , the core book states that the Daze spell causes a foe 4HD or less to lose his turn, but that he is not stunned. So a dazed opponent can be sneak attacked by Arianna ? ( if it isn't correct, then the italian translation of the book sucks )
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A rule question , the core book states that the Daze spell causes a foe 4HD or less to lose his turn, but that he is not stunned. So a dazed opponent can be sneak attacked by Arianna ? ( if it isn't correct, then the italian translation of the book sucks )
No, Daze just prevents an opponent thinking clearly enough to act on its turn.
According to the rules, you get no special advantage against the opponent (so no sneak attack or bonus to hit etc).
This is the reason it is a cantrip rather than a 1st level spell. It would be rather too powerful if you could at will make opponents lose their dex bonus to AC so they could be sneak attacked :)
Was just wondering :) you never know
The fact is playing at table i'ld NEVER suggested "GO GET'EM" more then ever with a CN female incredibly hot char. At least, thinking at it with a bit of logic.
But as we said at the start...we are assuming that we'll do things just because this is an AP
The fact is playing at table i'ld NEVER suggested "GO GET'EM" more then ever with a CN female incredibly hot char. At least, thinking at it with a bit of logic.
But as we said at the start...we are assuming that we'll do things just because this is an AP
I'm not sure I understand. Why do you consider this to be different as an AP than it is if you're at the table? I'm playing it just as seriously here as I would anywhere, and the Adventure Path aspect of it doesn't make any difference to me.
Just curious.
The fact is playing at table i'ld NEVER suggested "GO GET'EM" more then ever with a CN female incredibly hot char. At least, thinking at it with a bit of logic.
But as we said at the start...we are assuming that we'll do things just because this is an API'm not sure I understand. Why do you consider this to be different as an AP than it is if you're at the table? I'm playing it just as seriously here as I would anywhere, and the Adventure Path aspect of it doesn't make any difference to me.
Just curious.
Simply i didn't want to slow things down this time. Besides it is a pain for the other players always having to do with complains from one of the PC. Non sense anyway since the majority voted to go.
But as we were starting there has been a debate on whether or not a nearly all NC group could work together. I had a game at table with everyone TN or CN.....the game died even b4 it could start.I assure you i'm enjoying very much this game, don't worry.
Also, i wrote "with a bit of logic" which means that a girl in RL would never propose to assault a camp of bandits with only other girls ( apart from Lev ) in group.
I don't want to get vulgar, but you can figure out which fears Elsbeth could have on this matters.
To finish, in history quantity always won over quality ( well they weren't using d20 rules )
But as we were starting there has been a debate on whether or not a nearly all NC group could work together. I had a game at table with everyone TN or CN.....the game died even b4 it could start.
I assure you i'm enjoying very much this game, don't worry.
I wasn't worried, I was just interested. So it's not really an AP issue as much as an alignment concern. That makes sense.
Also, i wrote "with a bit of logic" which means that a girl in RL would never propose to assault a camp of bandits with only other girls ( apart from Lev ) in group.
That's interesting that you say that because most of the women I know in RL would go after the bandits simply because of what the bandits threatened to do to Svetlana, all female party or no. They have no tolerance for that sort of thing. Of course, I know a lot of pretty tough women.
That's interesting that you say that because most of the women I know in RL would go after the bandits simply because of what the bandits threatened to do to Svetlana, all female party or no. They have no tolerance for that sort of thing. Of course, I know a lot of pretty tough women.
Maybe you haven't read Elsbeth background, she has been almost raped by her own father, won't tell more here, but i'm playing her as a girl terrified by the thought it could happen again. For the RL matter dunno how it is in your place, in Italy it has been a serious problem for some years now ; rapes are frequent and usually the victims aren't very happy, when they survive that is :(
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With PbP, in order to keep things running smoothly we will occasionally come across situations where your character will end up doing things they otherwise wouldn't have agreed on normally, or at least taken quite some time to talk around.
I'm glad you took the expedient route GN, it makes the game run faster. Take this as an opportunity to explore what your character does when finally confronting a fear like this. What will she do if she gets grappled? what will happen if she gets captured? If this is a successful mission will it toughen her or merely add to her fears.
Since this is a shared story telling experience, I'm trying to incorporate your cahracters and how they act into the game. As I get a better feel for them I'll start adding some personal touches based on decsions you've made and the backgrounds you've written. How everyone is responding is really helping me develop more interesting encounters and characters for later on.
Also, given the freeform sandbox nature of this game, making decisions where majority rules is going to be very important. For exploration we can merely take turns in who decides which direction to go, but for specific scenarios, we should go the vote option.
Hopefully that suits everyone.
Cheers
I'm glad you took the expedient route GN, it makes the game run faster. Take this as an opportunity to explore what your character does when finally confronting a fear like this. What will she do if she gets grappled? what will happen if she gets captured? If this is a successful mission will it toughen her or merely add to her fears.
Well, i sure hope you won't play in favor of the bandits to make THAT happens :)
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Well, i sure hope you won't play in favor of the bandits to make THAT happens :)
I'm glad you took the expedient route GN, it makes the game run faster. Take this as an opportunity to explore what your character does when finally confronting a fear like this. What will she do if she gets grappled? what will happen if she gets captured? If this is a successful mission will it toughen her or merely add to her fears.
Hehe,
Only if it comes up as a natural consequence of actions in game. I tend to try for realistic situations where possible (within the confines of game world where dragons eat people that is). I'm not going to go out of my way to place Elsbeth into the clutches of a desperate and slobbering bandit, because that would be just ridiculous and petty. Think of those as questions that Elsbeth herself might be going through in her own mind as she approaches the camp :)
Cheers
That is part of the game, i'll see when we'll be getting near
I'm glad you took the expedient route GN, it makes the game run faster. Take this as an opportunity to explore what your character does when finally confronting a fear like this. What will she do if she gets grappled? what will happen if she gets captured? If this is a successful mission will it toughen her or merely add to her fears.
Since i'm being a little bored ( and don't want to begin the 8th consecutive game at Dragon Age ) i'll answer more suitably.
Of course Elsbeth isn't the classic "damsel in distress", if she is grappled in combat, so long that it is one of the many fights that adventurers tend to find themselves into, she'll probably simply try to free herself, likewise using Corrupting touch on the foe grappling her(should be easy in rl, since the foe is already touching her).With the "what if she's captured" topic things can be quite complicated:
who captured her and why ? is she allowed to keep some clothes or she is left with her bare skin and nothing else ? since she is a pure caster she'll be probably be restrained somehow, maybe gagged ( and i'm playing against myself with such considerations ). Well i don't want to make this something like a Hentai game ( HUGH!!!! i hate those, not exactly what i like of japanese products ) but with such a situation the only thing to do is to wait and see ( and hope ).
About Eschew material. I know it allows the sorcerer to ignore material components costing 1gp or less, but the spells in which the cost of the material components is specified are maybe 5 in all the corebook i think.
In other words i may assume that apart from those spells i can ignore the cost of every spell's material components ?
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Yep that's correct Elsbeth. Effectively it means you don't need to buy a components pouch. It also means that if you're captured, or caught unprepared, you can still cast spells with low cost material components, whereas other arcane caster types can't as they need their pouch of ingredients with them.
At some point I'll make people pay an upkeep fee, which covers thigns like replacing damaged items, repairing weapons and armour and for casters who need them, replenshing spell component pouches etc. We can negotiate what the cost is going to be when it comes up, and it may vary for each player depending on their gear etc. However, we'll tackle that when it comes to it.
Cheers
Well, you know the past of Elsbeth TN...she has her reasons for hating men who assault girls. Anyhow i never expressed the will to kill him, not interested in that.
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Well, putting someone out there unarmed and helpless is pretty much a slow painful death.
Anya knows of Elbeth's past, but to her, Bergan isn't a rapist or potential abuser anymore than most inhabitants of the region. Seeing him as such probably would make Elsbeth's position understandable (though not reasonable) to her. Naive as it may be, she buys rather large parts of his "hard luck story".
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I've actually just been developing Bergan as we go. Up until last night i wasn't sure myself how resolved he was to staying on your good side. When you guys threw him a dagger and told him to run, I sat down and thought through his options. He certainly seems legitimate at teh moment, but that's probably as much to do with pragmatism as anything else.
Elsbeth just need time to adjust herself to her new life. Not 1 year earlier she lived as a french noblewoman of the pre-french revolution era.
I'm taking in account that she is probably overreacting, but she is still not sure who she can trust
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Elsbeth just need time to adjust herself to her new life. Not 1 year earlier she lived as a french noblewoman of the pre-french revolution era.
I'm taking in account that she is probably overreacting, but she is still not sure who she can trust
Aye, of all the characters here, she is defnitely the one who is most out of her comfort zone. From nobility to desperately trying to carve something out of the wilds. I can only imagine how some of the teenage girls I teach would respond to this situation (lots more screaming I imagine, and one hell of a lot more complaining hehe).
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Damn, i tend to forget the differences in our respective time zone...it is almost 2:00 am here *YAAAAWNNNNN* think i'll call for today.
We knew we were going to have interesting scenarios when we made the characters. Just so long as no one minds the roleplay (which I think just enhances the game) it's all good. Far as I can tell, everyone's acting according to their character. Just so long as y'all don't mind my character acting according to his personality, I'm happy to see where it takes us.
Of course, Lev kind of wants to smack the lot of you for having this conversation now of all times, but fortunately he's learned to show a great deal of restraint. :)
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I'm certainly enjoying it. I think everyone of you has something going on with your characters that's going to cause you to think hard at times on what you'll do.
I suspect that this game will deviate at times from the suggested format in the actual AP given decisions made and personalities present. Which suits me fine as I prefer to run with the flow more than pressganging people.
TN, I've always found the characters I create change from my original feel in the first few weeks of playing them.
This applies to everyone by the way. If over the next few weeks you feel the need to tweak your character a little here and there based on personality, slight alignment changes, etc then feel free to do so. If you're going to make a change that's mechnical ask me first though. I'm usually fairly flexible for the first two or three combats with folks, but after that I lock things in place to keep the game running smoothly. I'prefer not to see someone change to an evil alignment, but that's more a party dynamic thing. We already have enough of a mixup in motivations not to add evil to the mix hehe.
Keep up the good work team :)
Cheers
Just watching the thread and wanted to say bravo. Again you create situations that results in amazing character development, half because of a great DM and half as a result of amazing players.
This game is a fun read all around. Good job guys.
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Just watching the thread and wanted to say bravo. Again you create situations that results in amazing character development, half because of a great DM and half as a result of amazing players.
This game is a fun read all around. Good job guys.
Thanks Mark, hopefully it's only going to get better.
I'm greatly enjoying the aspect of developing the NPC's, like I did in our old game together. It's a bit easier in an AP though as I don't need to do all the background stuff as well.
I see you're still going strong in a number of games also. If I ever get the time I'll write up a synopsis for the players remaining from our old "Fall of Nations" game telling them about the short and long term plans I had for that game. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll ever get the chance to run it again, as it was way too time consuming.
In the mean time, thanks for the kind words and hope you continue to enjoy reading the thread.
Cheers
I tried to ask on gamer connection, general discussion and gamers talk, but either i use the wrong title or my questions are totally ignored.
The fact is i don't know if we can play on these thread in a non English lang.
Of course my RL players are asking me to GM them in italian, but i'm not sure if it is allowed to pbp here in other languages.
Or is enough as long as we keep polite ? And who can control anyway ?
I would like to know before risking a ban.
As far as i know there is no restriction on languages on the boards. But that being said the language filter probably won't pick up on any swear words said in Italian.
If you're worried about getting banned you could set up a Google site and play there. you can even password protect it so only you and your players can access it.
I don't think you're in any danger of being banned, Gandal. It's probably just that there are very few members on Paizo who speak/ write Italian. You ought to do a search for rpg forums in Italy. Maybe you can find people there who want to PbP that you can direct to Paizo.
Have been trying for sometime now to find something like this site in italy, no way. Normal rpg forums give no response...no one seems interested yet. But i saw other italian player here on paizo. Probably they just don't log very often. I'll just try to start our game here and see.
Have been trying for sometime now to find something like this site in italy, no way. Normal rpg forums give no response...no one seems interested yet. But i saw other italian player here on paizo. Probably they just don't log very often. I'll just try to start our game here and see.
There's absolutely no harm in trying. I'd only suggest that you steer clear of profanity and obscenity (even in Italian) and you should be fine.
That is obvious,i'll tell to all not to use vulgarity or racism or whatever
Poor Bergan. Now I wish I had advocated for letting him free.
I wouldn't want to be in his clothes too now
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Heh, I threw the comment about Bergan in because Lev was talking about having him ride in to camp at one point, as an aid to a possible bluff.
He's tied and gagged so intimidating now won't change that, but given Elsbeth's almost fiery eyed threat, he'll probably do almost anything not to annoy her. He's not going to be very happy though.
Imagine how he feels - he fell in with a bunch of blood thirsty bandits who treated him badly and forced him into things he didn't want to do, only to be saved from them by a bunch of bloodthristy adventurers who are forcing him to do things he doesn't want to do.
Bergan is not having a good day hehe.
Taking the opportunity to introduce the elven girl i rolled for my game ( none of my player filled the scouting/stealthy slot so i think i'll do it with a NPC ) -still GN here- i'ld say Elsbeth is becoming much more evil i dared to think of her. Better i think on it carefully.
I'm sorry the char sheet of this PC is all italian-written.
So far i have a Vudrani human male cleric of Irori ; a male Aasimar paladin ; a male dwarf fighter going for the weapon/shield feat chain ; a male half elf draconian sorcerer and my elven girl rogue going for archery feats.
Now i only need a starting plot :(
Heh, I threw the comment about Bergan in because Lev was talking about having him ride in to camp at one point, as an aid to a possible bluff.
I'd actually intended that as a compromise for the poor guy. A little trust in him for a little trust in return. Naturally, with such a low Charisma there's no way that Lev is going to be successful, but he tries! It's pretty fitting, actually, that it backfired completely.
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Taking the opportunity to introduce the elven girl i rolled for my game ( none of my player filled the scouting/stealthy slot so i think i'll do it with a NPC ) -still GN here- i'ld say Elsbeth is becoming much more evil i dared to think of her. Better i think on it carefully.
I'm sorry the char sheet of this PC is all italian-written.
So far i have a Vudrani human male cleric of Irori ; a male Aasimar paladin ; a male dwarf fighter going for the weapon/shield feat chain ; a male half elf draconian sorcerer and my elven girl rogue going for archery feats.
Now i only need a starting plot :(
Are you going to run an AP or going to make up a game GN? I'd advise at least starting with a premade adventure for your first time as they are far less time consuming to run and much of the tactics/NPC interactions are determined for you.
That way you can focus on how to run a PbP rather than having to spend lots of time prepping as well.
If you're going to run an AP, I can highly recomend Rise of the Runelords for classic adventuring, Crimson Throne for a fantastic city/political adventure or Legacy of Fire for pure arabian fun.
Those are the other three AP's I at least have most of and would run myself if I had more time.
If you go for a single adventure, try crypt of the everflame as it was written for Pathfinder rules by the guy who wrote the rules. Its a nice quick game and has two sequels if your group holds together.
Cheers
If you're going to run an AP, I can highly recomend Rise of the Runelords for classic adventuring, Crimson Throne for a fantastic city/political adventure or Legacy of Fire for pure arabian fun.Those are the other three AP's I at least have most of and would run myself if I had more time.
If you go for a single adventure, try crypt of the everflame as it was written for Pathfinder rules by the guy who wrote the rules. Its a nice quick game and has two sequels if your group holds together.
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That is part of the problem...so far the italian edition has only published Second Darkness AP up to the 4rth chapter and incoming Council of Thieves 1st chapter. Crypt of the everflame is out too, and is a nice 1st lvl adventure. But some of my people hate pregenerated adventures, they want home made plots...maybe in hope to catch me off guard.They tend to forget i'm GMing roleplay for 'bout 20 years now. Since i'm not going to buy PDF online, and i'm waiting for the printed edition, only have the ones mentioned above.
but will take inspirations for npc CR and tactics
Just curious...how do you handle skills like Bluff or Intimidate on other pc's ?
I mean, usually for the sake of good play we always assumed those skills only worked on NPC's, but that isn't logical.
If i'ld try to bluff Lev into something with my bonus against males his pc will have very little chances of figuring i'm cheating on him ( don't worry, just curious, i'm not going to do that )
OK i'm an idiot :( i totally forgot about UMD skill and put no ranks into it. I though a sorcerer had no need to train in that skill, since it is her main field of expertise to use magic.
How am i supposed to use that scroll ??????????
Just curious...how do you handle skills like Bluff or Intimidate on other pc's ?
I mean, usually for the sake of good play we always assumed those skills only worked on NPC's, but that isn't logical.If i'ld try to bluff Lev into something with my bonus against males his pc will have very little chances of figuring i'm cheating on him ( don't worry, just curious, i'm not going to do that )
Typically, from my experience anyway, PCs cannot use skills on other PCs. That's got to be sheer roleplay. It might not be logical, but it's done that way to maintain cohesion in a group. There's no surer way to break a group up than to start screwing around with another player's PC on purpose like that.
On the other hand, I'd almost love to see Elsbeth try to use her charms on Lev. So far, Lev is so disgusted by Elsbeth that he'd be repulsed by the very notion.
On the other end, Elsbeth is glad that she finally travels with a man that doesn't bother her, one way or the other.
Yes, figured Bluff and the likes weren't going to be used between pc's, never done that with my rl players either.
Will just keep with asking kindly Lev help for loading her bags and nothing more.
OK i'm an idiot :( i totally forgot about UMD skill and put no ranks into it. I though a sorcerer had no need to train in that skill, since it is her main field of expertise to use magic.
How am i supposed to use that scroll ??????????
You're a sorcerer, right? The sleep spell is on your spell list. It's a first level spell, and you have a high enough charisma to cast it. You don't need UMD to cast it. That's for characters who have no access to spells.
You're fine.
thought that, this is why i put no rank in it....but the core book isn't very clear on this. But honestly i always knew sorcerer and wizards has no need for the UMD skill. But then i noticed that while wizards don't have the skill in their class skills, sorcerers DO, and i had a doubt
thought that, this is why i put no rank in it....but the core book isn't very clear on this. But honestly i always knew sorcerer and wizards has no need for the UMD skill. But then i noticed that while wizards don't have the skill in their class skills, sorcerers DO, and i had a doubt
Don't pay attention to the UMD skill. Look instead at the rules for using a scroll. From the Pathfinder SRD:
To have any chance of activating a scroll spell, the scroll user must meet the following requirements.
The spell must be of the correct type (arcane or divine). Arcane spellcasters (wizards, sorcerers, and bards) can only use scrolls containing arcane spells, and divine spellcasters (clerics, druids, paladins, and rangers) can only use scrolls containing divine spells. (The type of scroll a character creates is also determined by his class.)
The user must have the spell on her class list.
The user must have the requisite ability score.
If the user meets all the requirements noted above, and her caster level is at least equal to the spell's caster level, she can automatically activate the spell without a check.
Emphasis is mine.
If you look at the UMD description, the following is stated:
Check: You can use this skill to read a spell or to activate a magic item. Use Magic Device lets you use a magic item as if you had the spell ability or class features of another class, as if you were a different race, or as if you were of a different alignment.
You have the class features needed to activate a scroll already. UMD is intended for activating a device that isn't part of your class feature. For example, if you were to have put ranks in UMD, you'd be able to attempt to activate a magical device that you ordinarily don't have access to based on your race, class, or alignment. It might not be successful, but you have a better chance of doing so than a wizard would.
Does that make sense?
One thing to remember: Computer games very rarely paid close attention to the rules of the actual RPGs they were emulating. What you can do in a computer game is often very different from what you can do with a tabletop RPG.
But then i noticed that while wizards don't have the skill in their class skills, sorcerers DO, and i had a doubt
The reason wizards don't have it on their skill list is that they are too specialized to ever concern themselves with magic devices that aren't part of their class function. Sorcerers have UMD on their class list as an extra perk: They've got their own arcane spell abilities and they can tinker with others too if they desire.
Figured that when the panic attack faded off...thanks
Figured that when the panic attack faded off...thanks
Happy to help!