(3) Legend of the Elder Souls (Inactive)

Game Master mdt

Stop convincing MDT that we need to fight multiple priests at once, please... :(

Oops. Well, to be fair, we can't actually do that for like 10 more levels and quite a few more mythic ranks. But I'm getting the feeling that the world will be just as tough, even if we aren't.

Yey found the level up thingy too! : )

@mdt/mythic spells - How would we handle if one were to pick up a mythic spell and later become unable to use it? Say an mythic Adept or Domain spell ?

(Mythic Command looks sweet!)

Also, can we hold off picking a mythic spell until we hit 5 at the compounds - or it is a *now* deal? =)

@Village - Liisa has this cosy Produce Flame in her hand and she has nothing to do with it ...

Should we torch the church and village once and for all? After we search it once more before we leave of course!

@Church - Liisa has 1 (or 3, if we gained the extra from the tier improvement now) and can summon some animals to try and sneak inside the church.

Note : As far as creating spells, any elemental spell can be learned as a different version (acid ball, fire ball, frost ball, shocking ball). However, you may lose something in the process. Like, fireball can set fires, but frost ball can.

Question: Can we use features such as Inspired Spell (cast any spell of a level and (divine) class we are capable of casting) to cast an alternative element version of a spell?

Would we have to research/design such a spell first, then spontaneously call upon it ? =)

@mdt - While I'm at it - how do we handle higher level versions of low level spells and mythic?

If one knew the base mythic spell (lets say Resist Energy and Mythic Resist Energy), could one use the Mythic modifications when casting a higher version of the same spell (Communal Resist Energy in this case)?

Or, a more relevant example, since Liisa knows Mythic Entangle, could she 'Mythicify' Sickening Entangle too? Or would she have to pick up the Mythic version of that spell too ?

Note: Only the standard Entangle spell has a mythic version, could one use that one as a template to acquire mythic versions of the other entangle spells if simply knowing one in the family is not enough?

Good news I'm tier three, bad news I think I just lost all my healing

Did you switch archetype =)?

You would need to research the spell (or have sucked up a gem that knew it) before you could spontaneously cast it using MP or such.

You would need to take Mythic Communal Resist Energy. Yes, use the basic mythic as a template.

Lina - Both warfans becomes +1 Ki weapons

Neri - Nine-Ring Sword becomes a +1 Flaming Weapon

Liisa - Shortbow becomes a +1 Seeking

Johnny - 7-branch sword becomes a +1 Keen weapon

Lina - Armor becomes +2

Neri - Armor becomes +2

Liisa - Armor becomes +2 Shadowed

Johnny - Armor becomes +2

my rogue gem ate the alchemist gem so I lost it's stuff but on the flip side I might be able to get a magus gem

Completely unrelated how much hp does Neri have left?

SA: 1d4 + 2d8 ⇒ (1) + (2, 4) = 7

**Edit**

No idea how good this is but with your new monk gem you may like it?

Tripping Staff

Neri's at 17 HP ticking up to 27 over the next minute! Once Luna's made an action, Neri will toss an infernal healing at Johnny (He'll get the most out of it) and then... I'm not sure who he'd hit with the other healing. I mean, Luna's healing saved his bacon. But Lina's kind of front-line...

Gaining Flaming is something I totally didn't expect!

But... that completely overrides how fireforged steel works. So... epic sadface.

But it's still fitting, of course, and the weapon is still cool. :) Does it have to be red flame..?

Also, Must the +2 be +2 enhancement, or can we make it 1/something else

I'm willing to work, what were you wanting it to be? Not a lot of +1 abilities on armor that are super effective, unless you're maybe wanting Fortification (Light)

@mdt/mythic spells - How would we handle if one were to pick up a mythic spell and later become unable to use it? Say an mythic Adept or Domain spell ?

(Mythic Command looks sweet!)

Also, can we hold off picking a mythic spell until we hit 5 at the compounds - or it is a *now* deal? =)

Bumping some questions (now that you answered a few, I want em all! [give a finger and it will take the arm and all that :P])!

Also

@mdt - Shadowed = Shadow = +5 stealth : )?

Actually, in this case, the fireforged steel increases the flaming dice by one die size (so 1d6 to 1d8, when the fireforge steel effects are active). No, the flaming doesn't count for 'in fire'. You still have to stick it in fire worth 10 hp to activate the fireforged steel effect

@Spells - You'll have to finagle a way to use it. I'd stick to taking mythic versions of your main spells only.

Yes, you can take your time picking your mythic spells.

Yes, shadowed = shadow = +5 stealth

Mkay : )

Those who haven't gotten an e-mail from me stating otherwise, may pick one domain from the list below. You may use the domain ability (if you have sufficient level) and may cast the domain spells 1/day as if a cleric of the appropriate level.

Johnny : Good, Luck, Magic, Rune, Travel
Neri : Chaos, Fire, Magic, Rune, War
Lina : Law, Protection, Repose, Sun, Void

Since everyone is getting them now, I'll clarify.

Divine primaries get their boosts slightly earlier than non-divines. So, at second tier, non-divines get a domain.

Divines at second get a domain & associated subdomain.

Non-Divines get their subdomain at tier 3, while divines get a second domain at tier 3.

By tier 10, you should all have 5 domains and subdomains.

Note, domains are called 'Spheres' and subdomains are called 'Echoes' by the locals.

If I take say... War, and then wanted (Tactics) at 3, is that a valid swap? I don't know what I'll get ahold of, or if tactics is better than war. But... just a question related to the domains. :)

If you pick War, you'll get whatever subdomain is assigned to the gem for War at level 3. Each domain has one and only one subdomain assigned to it.

So I'd lose the base powers and gain the subdomain instead?

Also... can a higher level domain slot be used to metamagic a lower level one?

Because extended guards and wards is hilarious rude... especially if I bought into mythic for it (which is just worth.) "You're gonna wanna come out of the church now! No? Okay..." *Whole lot of screw you begins to happen inside*

Hmm, I'll echo what Neri asked.

@mdt -

If I have a Domain and a sub-Domain, where the sub-domain replaced the first level power, would I have access to both powers or just the subdomain?

The same about spells - IE if I have a Domain that grants Magic Missile at a a first level spell with a sub-domain that typically replaces the first level spell with Shield, would I be able to cast both or just Shield?

And a follow-up: If I would be able to cast both, I assume I would have to pick one each day to cast? (I could not cast both Magic Missile 1/day and Shield 1/day).

Additionally: Liisa specific question: Would she be able to use her Spontaneous Domain casting on this Domain too : )?

A cess to both. Not replaced.

No can't use higher level slots for metamagic. That's what rods are for.

-Posted with Wayfinder

You can cast mm and ⛨ from example once per day. No to spontaneous.

-Posted with Wayfinder

Very neat! Thanks!

Also, yes. I was looking at light fortification, over a +1. Not that I'd ever be wearing it, soooo... :P

It just seemed more sound.

Side note: How does fortification interact with coup de grace?

Luna got a pretty cool new domain but nothing with healing and she can't make potions anymore so we may need to add in more healing to the party

Boing! New question!

@mdt - 1) what happens if Liisa picks the Scalykind (Saurian) Domain/sub-domain combo.

Does she gain two animal companions?

Or does she simply get to stack them together (getting basically one 'whole' animal companion)?

A third alternative? : )

2) Would you let the Plant domains Wooden Fist count as an situational Improved Unarmed Strike for feat pre-requisites (thus letting Liisa pick up and use the Domain Strike feat!)?

@Healing - Liisa can memorize Cure Light Wounds, so she should be able to write up some scrolls. And perhaps Johnny can help her craft some wands (I *think* he had the Mythic craft thingy, not sure!)?

But that isn't super effective in combat, but the best Liisa can offer is probably a Cure Moderate Wounds spell - and that isn't super impressive either!

@Healing — Johnny has the option to take the awesome White Mage archetype for cleric-style heal spells, though that's his choice. Liisa can take the pretty-decent Adept Channel feat at this level, if she wants to (we can boost it with items), though it might mess with her feat progression and isn't great until later levels.

@Luna — That's an awesome feat for a staff magus. Seriously awesome. I've got slightly better options as someone who focuses on tripping with kung fu, but if I ever make a mythic staff magus, that'll be the first mythic feat I take, if I can pair it with Retributive Reach.

Although if my Ki Focus weapons upgrade to Ki Intensifying, I can use them to stun AND bull rush with every hit, which means I might be worth switching styles. (Or consider reforging them into nunchaku, or alternate ends of a double monk weapon)

EDIT: @Endure Elements — the mythic version is already communal!

Johnny -also- has the awesome -ten int- and thus cannot really do the whole 'I cast' thing. Pretty much at all. XD He's basically just functioning off of arcane reservoir unless we bump his int up significantly. And that will likely be temporary, yeah?

Meanwhile, if I take domain spells, and they are touch, are they usable with Magus Spellstrike which specifically calls out that it must be a magus spell?

You are right Neri! ... I didn't even remember that Arcanists are Int based casters ... Rough!

Worst case scenario, we spend 4k gp to get you a +4 int headband (though we're running lower on cash), because those extra level 1 spells are NIIIICE (Extended Mage Armor 1/day? Darkvision? Spontaneous Healing?). But I still think "not being an idiot" will be useful with the reduced skills/level.

@MDT:

Okay, one last thing to check on:

The reason I did not go archmage was thus:
Spell Combat requires a full round action and essentially allows me to cast a magus spell as part of a full attack.
Wild Arcana requires a standard action to cast a spell... as per usual. But since it specifically calls out that it requires the standard action, does this trump Spell Combat's general, or does Spell combat trump Wild Arcana's general?

Basically, I'm asking if -if I take wild arcana- I have to essentially pop -two- mythic, one for mythic initiative for a standard, the other for wild arcana, and then perform my full-attack-with-spell-combat (essentially getting two spells in my turn -but- not being able to activate Wild arcana as part of the spell combat action)

I hope I explained that decently.

@Luna: I have a Cloak of Resistance I'm not using any more because it doesn't stack with Protection Domain. You're the only one who doesn't have one. It's yours, although I suppose we can sell it or give it to a mount if you don't want it.

EDIT: OH MY GLORB. If I get Solitude as my subomain (though it'll probably be Purity), I get Silence as a bonus spell.

I can hear it now: "Hey, MDT... can I get Voidsteel fans or something? I'd -really- like to double the range of silence." :P

Lina: Wielder of the seven fans. :)

Well, I was more interested in the "you can't cast spells near me" aspect. Especially since you and Luna (with knife-throwing, at least, if she's invisible or I've got them stunned) can attack whomever I'm fighting from range.

For Arcanist, I think I'm probably going to pick up the Unlettered Arcanist (basically lets me join Team Familiars and I use witch spell list instead of sorcerer/wizard) archetype and probably the White Mage on top (which really only gets me spontaneous cure spells since the witch spell list has them).

Also, I'm going to go for the Travel domain. I think its subdomain is probably Trade, which would be pretty nice for Johnny.

In terms of Int, my preferences would be to try to get a +4 Int headband (Lina suggested that when/if I finally eat up all the arcanist levels, I could swap with Neri, who I hear has a +2 headband). This would at least get me all the spells I can cast now (although makes my Int too low when we reach level 6). I could theoretically also put my status boost into Int, but character wise, I'm not a huge fan of making Johnny smart. :/

I'll try to get an IC post up later tonight; right now I'm just really tired from a full day of interviewing.

You could simply play up his knowledge of the skills it maxes out, as opposed to -everything-. Like... you could try to shore up your lost skill ranks with it, so he stays effectively the 'same' level of smart. It's not like int has any bearing on anything else.

Good luck with your interviews!

Also... My spellbook... :(

Neri... you know Johnny can scribe scrolls of literally every spell on the sorcerer/wizard list, while Liisa can do the same for the druid list, right? And that you can learn spells from a scroll? Riiiiight?

I do. But scrolls cost a lot more :p

And Neri -cannot- scribe scrolls to feed to a familiar. So I guess...

It's more about his poor undereducated familiar. :)

Neri, it's 12.5 gp per level 1 spell, and 75 per level 2 spell. It costs more to add them to your spellbook.

Alrighty. Carry on :p And we can use them afterwards, too... so as long as he only gives me worthwhile spells... we're golden! :P

Sometime in the next few days I will be having my wisdom teeth pulled, I've never really had an experience with it but people say it messes you up or at least the painkillers do so I might be MIA for a day or two so feel free to bot Luna if I can't post in time

@mdt I took the Artifice domain so I can make stuff now

Huh... I didn't find it too bad when I got mine out, but I reacted so badly to the painkillers that I refused to take more than one and just double-dosed on Advil for a few days.

Good luck!

From what I gathered, one usually uses plenty of local anaesthesia, so speaking becomes a bit bothersome (or hilarious, depending on perspective!).

Hopefully it shouldn't be too bothersome for you! And best of luck : )

When I got one of mine pulled, it was actually pretty awesome. The pain immediately was gone, and the anesthetic made me happy. As I've never taken any drugs, that's my best explanation.

Just absolutely keep everything away from the site. Don't suck on things, and don't do any carbonation... And everything will almost assuredly be alright. Mine was perfectly safe to do everything with in less than a week. But... it was honestly a really -good- experience for me. :)

I'd also say... be very careful about vicodin, if you can. The worst I've ever felt in my life (well, the worst I've physically felt) was probably after taking a single half-dose of vicodin on an empty stomach.

Alright, update: we can use our gems directly as crafting material for things that are made of gems (amulets, rings, rods, circlets), while not things like cloaks, belts, etc. This means that some of our stuff was half as cheap to craft as I thought; and we've still got a little more than half our initial crafting reservoir (or about half if we reserve appropriate wealth for Luna).

We should each be able to get about 8k more of stuff (at crafting costs for jewelry, full costs for non-jewelry), with the caveat that I really think we should save a thousand or so each for retraining hp.

Meanwhile, things that I think should probably count as group gear when we tally the cost, though only if people agree on this:
-Handy Haversack, or Bag of Holding (I assumed we crafted a haversack on the trail but can change this)
-Rod of Extend, Lesser (one or two of these)

I'd also be willing to throw in for a reach rod. Or just pay for it out of Neri's share, personally. Turning a melee touch into a ranged touch for Johnny will be a pretty big boon to our survival. A single touch of idiocy on a caster is as good as a +1 resist cloak on all of us minimum. It also lets us play with Will saves a bit more.

Other people can also use it, I'm sure. But I wished we'd had it during the icy jerk fight. :)

So, update: +2 cloaks of resistance or amulets of natural armor aren't available yet. Here's the equipment we're potentially looking at crafting, once we make it safely back to town (which could be right away, or there could be... surprises...)

Current crafting reserve: Assuming we can sell or cannibalize the swords/armor, 53,400 gp worth of items, from which we can craft anything heavily gemmed (rods, rings, amulets, circlets) at half price. While Neri retrains for 15 days, we have 30 days of item crafting, though we can go a bit over that if we want to stay in town for a third week—and if Johnny or I get a valet familiar, this can go faster. We may have additional wealth from Neri's volcano, or the arcanist's loot.