I'm pretty sure they have something like that already. Just not for TV.
Rednal, makes a good argument for the fact that demons would probably kill their superiors without hesitation.
Also not a fan of atheism. Agnostic Atheism is a much more logical approach.
In science Fiction or even Space Opera, BIG fan of Atheism. In fact, I consider it almost a core element to make it successful.
When you are traveling the stars and seeing the universe...I think the component for being an atheist rises just as much as being religious.
I'm not saying people can't be religious, what you see out there may actually make you MORE religious. On the other hand, if you are constantly seeing the Deities and seeing their miracles...it's a LOT harder to be an atheist than some religious character than if you don't see them.
If you DO see such things, seeing that such beings can be destroyed just like anything else, sure helps that atheism approach.
As someone who prefers that there are atheist in Science Fiction who would rather rely on science and logic than faith and religion, I think there needs to be things to balance out the miracle from Priests and Clergy aspect that you see so much of in Pathfinder. Being able to kill those deities (take a triple Nuke fission missile down their throat, killing Pharasma was Never so much FUN! Obviously we hold her in no respect or regard)makes it so the atheist character can point out the flaws in any religious belief and their hold that no such divinity truly exists.
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Can we maybe save the Intelligent Design vs. Evolution for another thread, and not turn this one into a grar-fest?
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I'm seeing some potential for games that have some of the old forgotten deities show up. Lamashtu may be an ancient discarded dark fertility goddess patron to long-ago assimilated creatures, but you should see what she can do with a few cultists with bioengineering degrees and a remote asteroid genetics lab...
^Alternatively, this is a role for a corporate evil deity. This is a role for . . .
^Alternatively, this is a role for a corporate evil deity. This is a role for . . .
"Well isn't that special?" {purses lips smugly}
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But we are getting some sort of hive/infestation affliction/curse in the Horror hardcover... a Starfinder corporation/organized crime syndicate's core and intermediate members could all be composed entirely of assimilated creatures acting in loyal unison toward the same means and ultimate goals. The organization's hireling NPCs, or the PCs themselves, getting promoted or becoming made men could be a rather horrifying reward when they learn what's involved.
Nah. I think Rovoguy, the Empyreal Lords, Demon Lords, Infernal Dukes and other demi-gods of various stripes are still around. But some like you mentioned, the Vudran gods, probably not around.
I suppose so. Although I'm still curious what'll happen with Rovagug, being trapped inside Golarion and all that.
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Just because you know gods exist, doesn't mean you have to like it. :p
Exactly. Exhibit A folks: Salim Ghadafar. Still my favorite inquisitor.
Good thing this is science fantasy, not science fiction. I sincerely doubt that deities will be any more - or less - killable than they currently are.
Let's hope not. Killing gods isn't for the weak.
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I always thought life was created by Gary Gygax and Arn Anderson.
Also Raven is correct, tension between technology and divinity is pretty cool.
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THE EMPTY REACHES WILL ABSORB YOUR FAITH-BASED RADIATION
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I cast magic missile flame strike at the emptiness!
You know, space isn't really empty. o wo/ You still have the light from, like, billions of stars coming at you from different angles and whatnot. So you're not the emptiness of a true void...
You know, space isn't really empty. o wo/ You still have the light from, like, billions of stars coming at you from different angles and whatnot. So you're not the emptiness of a true void...
Not to mention all that frothing about at the quantum level.
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Not to mention all that frothing about at the quantum level.
Now I'm really thirsty for a draft IPA.
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You know, space isn't really empty. o wo/ You still have the light from, like, billions of stars coming at you from different angles and whatnot. So you're not the emptiness of a true void...Not to mention all that frothing about at the quantum level.
Except this is Pathfinder, so the Planck Length is 5 feet, right?
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Except this is Pathfinder, so the Planck Length is 5 feet, right?You know, space isn't really empty. o wo/ You still have the light from, like, billions of stars coming at you from different angles and whatnot. So you're not the emptiness of a true void...Not to mention all that frothing about at the quantum level.
Most familiars are quantum- figment familiars especially so.
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Most familiars are quantum- figment familiars especially so.Except this is Pathfinder, so the Planck Length is 5 feet, right?You know, space isn't really empty. o wo/ You still have the light from, like, billions of stars coming at you from different angles and whatnot. So you're not the emptiness of a true void...Not to mention all that frothing about at the quantum level.
Ugh. Voidworm yutes with their plancking and the FaceScrying and the not-pulling-up-their-pants! Get off my galactic sector! {shakes grasping appendage ineffectually}
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Not to mention all that frothing about at the quantum level.
In Starfinder, disintegrate is a dimensional anchor variant designed to interdict quarks from entering a given volume of space, causing matter to collapse into nothingness as the quarks pop out and are *not* replaced. Spells that create or magnify / enlarge matter do the opposite, allowing quarks to enter the affected volume of space, but not leave, so that the affected matter grows in size or quantity.
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Would it help if we all just repeated Clarke's Third Law a lot?
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And any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science!
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And most roleplayers over analyze stuff anyway.
Plus I don't cast spells at the Darkness. I just summon light based stuff.
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Would it help if we all just repeated Clarke's Third Law a lot?
Please don't.
*loves TV Tropes* Especially the ones covering Death Battle by Screwattack. :)
*Loud snickering*
But in all seriousness, a lot is going to depend on what kind of feel they want this setting to have. Let's examine a few possibilities, eh? It already seems clear we're likely to have plasma weapons and such, so let's use that rough understanding as a basis.
>The gods remain roughly as they are in Pathfinder. Maybe a different pantheon (Brigh moves up?), but even as technology advances, the existence of gods is assumed to be a mostly undisputed fact. People like and use technology, but clerics can still wave their hands and heal wounds, and really, that never goes out of style. Technology probably can't replicate some important core spell concepts, so they retain value.
>Gods are less popular than before because technology replaces many things Clerics used to do. People might not actively antagonize them, but they might not think it's as relevant to their personal lives. Expect to see the Infernal realms using technology as a tool for corruption.
>Gods are almost totally rejected in favor of technology. Divine casters are seen as remnants of an amusing past, or worse, active supporters of the disaster that stole Golarion. Lots of (potentially misplaced) dislike at the gods for "failing" the world so badly. If people aren't outright hostile, they might be a lot like the Athar from Planescape ("We don't actively believe in them, but we try to not piss them off, because high-level clerics are still scary in what they can accomplish.")
Any of these are possible, really. XD Or it could be something else entirely.
I imagine some people blame the gods for Golarion's absence while some feel that its removal was because mortals displeased the gods somehow. The first group is actively against the worship of the gods that failed them, while the second wishes to appease and exalt the gods more now than ever before.
Most people, however, probably still worship the gods as they always have, praying for things to happen and thanking them for things that have happened. (Whether or not there's any evidence the gods were responsible).
Certain gods will probably receive more praise than before. Brigh would be thanked for the wonders of technology, while Desna would be the go-to god for adventurers to pray to for safe passage through the Void, and Besmara would undoubtedly be the go-to goddess for bandits, as highwaymen are replaced by space pirates.
Technology will be able to replicate quite a lot of what magic does if not all that magic can do, and the two are used interchangeably and often times in concert to accomplish things.
In some cases, technology might replace magic. For example: Healing magic is, thematically, rarer than most people thing. Many clerics never see the higher levels that PCs do and thus can at best cast a small handful of cure spells per day. Medicine, however, can be mass produced and be made widely available to the public.
In other aspects magic would prevail. Ships may be able to take one from one end of the solar system to another in a few weeks or even days, but elf gates can provide instantaneous inter-planetary transport for large groups of people. (Access to which can in turn be commercialized).
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Camera crews can visit the Outer Planes, do a documentary, and broadcast a view of Heaven and Hell to all the Arcologies in the solar system.
People would still worship the gods.
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Camera crews can visit the Outer Planes, do a documentary, and broadcast a view of Heaven and Hell to all the Arcologies in the solar system.
People would still worship the gods.
Hmmm, need to scrype Lich Burnett about Survivor: Nine Hells idea...
Maybe the reason why technology isn't used on other planes is because the laws of physics work differently there? It makes technology unreliable, especially if you travel between planes regularly.
Of course, the problem is that this isn't currently reflected in the rules at all.
Camera crews can visit the Outer Planes, do a documentary, and broadcast a view of Heaven and Hell to all the Arcologies in the solar system.
Great. Reality TV in future Golarion. :P
Also why is the goddess snickering? Is she eating Snickers?
Judging by the example of modern Earth, religion will not go away unless driven out by other religion.
No but it might be replaced with reality TV apparently.
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Maybe the reason why technology isn't used on other planes is because the laws of physics work differently there? It makes technology unreliable, especially if you travel between planes regularly.
Of course, the problem is that this isn't currently reflected in the rules at all.
That would screw everything up, not just high tech. The laws of physics don't just make your phone work, they make YOU work.
There is a non-zero chance that most of the outer planes have what you might refer to as subjective physics. o wo It's not the kind of thing that can be easily explained by the scientific method - rather, you can kind of explain what is going on, just not how.
So you're saying I can't explain why Jubliex wants to eat stuff?
A better question is "Why is something called the Faceless Lord interested in eating? That's what mouths are for."
I assume because he enjoys 5 guys.
There is a non-zero chance that most of the outer planes have what you might refer to as subjective physics. o wo It's not the kind of thing that can be easily explained by the scientific method - rather, you can kind of explain what is going on, just not how.
Suddenly I have this vision of the outer planes operating according to Warner Bros/Looney Tunes physics . . . And technology DOES work there -- it just usualy works against the interests of whoever is trying to use it to catch somebody else.
No but it might be replaced with reality TV apparently.Which acts almost like a religion in some minds.
The Kardishans have kind of become demi-gods that's for sure.