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In the Spirit guide Archetype, you get a shaman hex from a spirit every day. you swap wisdom and charisma, and you use oracle in place of shaman.
Arcane Enlightenment (Su): The shaman's native intelligence grants her the ability to tap into arcane lore. The shaman can add a number of spells from the sorcerer/wizard spell list equal to her Charisma modifier (minimum 1) to the list of shaman spells she can prepare. To cast these spells she must have an Intelligence score equal to at least 10 + the spell's level, but the saving throw DCs of these spells are based on her Wisdom rather than Intelligence. When she casts these spells, they are treated as divine rather than arcane. Each time the shaman gains a level after taking this hex, she can choose to replace one of these spells for a new spell on the wizard/sorcerer spell list.
Do you add them to your spell list? It dosent add them to spells know as per the FAQ. There has been many discussions i have seen about this in my LGG, but we dont know the true answer.
the "truest" answer I know of is that it does what it says so is useless for oracle since they don't prepare spells.
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The shaman can add a number of spells from the sorcerer/wizard spell list ... to the list of shaman spells she can prepare.
Spells known is basically the list of spells you may cast. The only problem with this ability is the "she can prepare" phrase.
I suspect the intent is to be able to cast them. So expect table variance, as you will have people key upon the "prepared" word.
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Does the Spirit Guide Oracle gain spells that may be cast when using the Shaman Arcane Enlightenment?
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This is a mess because also they'd be keyed off wis for dc while the oracle is a cha caster, the same problem they have with spirital weapon and ally
This is a mess because also they'd be keyed off wis for dc while the oracle is a cha caster, the same problem they have with spirital weapon and ally
... She uses her oracle level as her shaman level and her Charisma score instead of Wisdom for the purpose of determining its effects...
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Is this passive voice I've heard developers talk about? The use of "prepare"? Or is that more like "you may" and such?
Passive voice issues often look something like this.
At 8th level, the cursemonger can curse anyone because she's awesome. The curse is permanent, but it can be removed as a standard action.
At 8th level, the cursemonger can curse anyone because she's awesome. The curse is permanent, but the cursemonger can remove it as a standard action.
Hi. My character got hit by a cursemonger's curse, and I wanted to just remove it as a standard action, but my GM thinks only the cursemonger can just use a standard action to remove the curse. Who's right?
How is this even a question?
First of all, Arcane Enlightenment adds a number of spells to the pool of spells an Oracle can select from when preparing spells. How many spells do Oracles prepare? None. How many spells known does Arcane Enlightenment add? None.
Second of all, this is exactly the kind of thing the spells known FAQ was about. What is the reason to believe that this is an exception to the spells known FAQ?
The Shaman FCB that adds cleric spells has good arguments for being an exception, but Arcane Enlightenment doesn't. I would like it to work, but it clearly doesn't.
Now a in-depth analysis of the situation.
Arcane Enlightment is a class feature. Thus the wizard spells are added to the caster's list. But while the shaman can prepare his spells everytime, the Oracle is locked to his spells known, thus he cannot cast those spells immediately despite those being added to his list. On the other hand he theoretically can use them with items like Page of Spell Knowledge of the divine type or Spell Lattice, and can use Divine Scrolls and Wands.
Now the interesting thing: the Oracle at some levels can change the spells known, and so he could add those spells at such times.
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Now a in-depth analysis of the situation.
Arcane Enlightment is a class feature. Thus the wizard spells are added to the caster's list. But while the shaman can prepare his spells everytime, the Oracle is locked to his spells known, thus he cannot cast those spells immediately despite those being added to his list. On the other hand he theoretically can use them with items like Page of Spell Knowledge of the divine type or Spell Lattice, and can use Divine Scrolls and Wands.
Now the interesting thing: the Oracle at some levels can change the spells known, and so he could add those spells at such times.
But even then, what happens when you change the hex?
But even then, what happens when you change the hex?Now a in-depth analysis of the situation.
Arcane Enlightment is a class feature. Thus the wizard spells are added to the caster's list. But while the shaman can prepare his spells everytime, the Oracle is locked to his spells known, thus he cannot cast those spells immediately despite those being added to his list. On the other hand he theoretically can use them with items like Page of Spell Knowledge of the divine type or Spell Lattice, and can use Divine Scrolls and Wands.
Now the interesting thing: the Oracle at some levels can change the spells known, and so he could add those spells at such times.
The spells known remain those but you cannot cast them until you add them again to your class list by reselecting that hex and those spells or other means
