Classes that piss you off


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What classes piss you off and why?

I've always been easy to piss off. There are some classes I wish I could just destroy forever:

1) BARDS (non-archaeologist): Singing? Dancing? Speeches? COMEDY? Do you mean to tell me that while the fighter is being torn limb from limb in the front you're standing back singing and telling jokes? F@&% you.

2) SKALD: Same thing.

3) Swashbuckler: With ability/class feature names like "flamboyant", "panache" and "Derring do" this guy got on my nerves from day one. You can build a dex based martial character that doesn't bring to mind Richard Simmons.

So what classes are pissing you off lately?


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Really? Panache and Derring Do make you think of Richard Simmons?

Please, do the world a favor and watch some old Errol Flynn movies or something.


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Well I love my joke-telling bard. F%&~ you too. :)

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OP, you need to stop scrubbing up when it comes to bard. NOBODY I've EVER met plays a bard like that. Look at the class design: Decent weapon/armor proficiencies, medium BAB, best buffs in the freaking game, good at skills, good at spells, good at EVERYTHING. While the fighter is being torn limb from limb in the front lines, I'm making him better at fighting while chopping a guy in half with my OWN greatsword, then I walk over and disable a trap, stun a group of enemies with a bit of magic THUNDER, turn the party invisible, and then bring the fighter back from the brink of death, all while looking FABULOUS.

On that note, I hate fighters. They have a bit of versatility, but they're mostly just boring to me, and typically have NO utility outside of "I hit it really hard with the pointy end of the stick".

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Zolanoteph wrote:

What classes piss you off and why?

I've always been easy to piss off. There are some classes I wish I could just destroy forever:

1) BARDS (non-archaeologist): Singing? Dancing? Speeches? COMEDY? Do you mean to tell me that while the fighter is being torn limb from limb in the front you're standing back singing and telling jokes? F!%@ you.

2) SKALD: Same thing.

Uh...neither of those character classes is built to, or suggested to, do that. They spend one round starting Performances and moving into battle (perhaps less at higher levels) and then either wade into melee, shoot people in the face, or start casting spells.

Think of a brutal warrior singing ancient songs of war while he splits skulls with an axe, or a charming duelist insulting his enemies while he slices them to ribbons, or a drill sergeant barking orders at people while striding into battle herself, or an eerie witch singing a keening song that drives the enemy mad or makes them her eternal slaves. Those are what Bards look like.

A Bard with Perform (Comedy) should be calling Spider Man to mind in how he deals with combat, one with Perorm (Singing) should be calling into mins the war chants of the Vikings or Celts, or the eerie songs of the sirens, one with Perform (Oratory) the St. Crispin's Day speech or the aforementioned drill sergeant.

Really, you just need to think of those classes differently.


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Davor wrote:
OP, you need to stop scrubbing up when it comes to bard. NOBODY I've EVER met plays a bard like that...

About half of them that I see are exactly like that.

If it had been initially described as sound based magic that has these lingering effects, I (and some others) probably wouldn't have nearly as much problem with it.

But it's not. It is a performance. So the bard sings, dances, acts, or tells jokes so well that everyone fights better. That doesn't make sense.
And that's what almost every player and GM I've seen says. "I start my performance flute. Ok, JJ is over in the corner playing with his flute."


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Zaister wrote:
Well I love my joke-telling bard. F%&~ you too. :)

Two fighters walk into a bar. I guess neither one of them took Perception.


Does it count if I play my bard as an all singing all dancing nutcase who slits throats at the same time? No joking though, he's all about the music.


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My bard usually just inspires his party with his jokes and then casts spells. I can count the to hit rolls I've made in ten levels on the fingers of one hand. And if you're pissed off by that I have calm emotion for you, or hideous laughter.


As a player and as a GM...any class that summons constantly. Cleric, summoner, druid what ever...i hear "im gonna cast summon monster" i cring. As a player its the whole "when is it gonna be my turn" followed by "nice, i cant do shit now because the target is surrounded by those things....and it still isnt my turn yet! Argh!!!!". As a GM i cring because now the only persin having fun and doesnt have "i want to throw my dice at u so damn hard right" look on their face is the person who summoned and is enjoying their multiple turns in one round.

Its ok when its done once per session but when its done multiple times, eh ive gotten it where its not allowed at my games anymore.

Ive gotten rid of using summoned monsters as trap setters by going into agonizing detail what happened to said creature. Lets just say one girl wanted her summoned pony to see if there was a trap.....yeah never happened again.

Scarab Sages

If the bard was limited to singing, oratory, or playing a horn or drum I wouldn't mind. Of course right now our Bard took dancing because of the bonus to acrobatics, so that does seem kind of silly to do during combat.

If song didn't affect us, we wouldn't have school fight songs, we wouldn't even have the idea for the Bard class in the first place. And you wouldn't have great battle scenes where the Zulu sing to intimidate the English, and the English sing Men of Harlech to boost their own morale.


I like bards. It's like listening to metal when you lift weights, or the Kantus screaming in "Gears of War" to revive the locust. Plus, our party's bard is an opera singer in real life and one of our old DM's would bump his inspire courage up to a +3 if he'd actually sing. It was really cool.

I hate full casters. Bunch of smug nerds. My current character carries around a big two person saw just in case my party ever has an encounter with a caster so we can pin him down and saw all his limbs off.


Tinkergoth wrote:
Does it count if I play my bard as an all singing all dancing nutcase who slits throats at the same time? No joking though, he's all about the music.

A Clockwork Orange archetype?


Woah people are taking this thread seriously.

I hate Magus. Making a mockery out of any martial.


Hate Bards and Wizards for being know it alls.

Hate Paladins for being holier than thou.

Hate Fighters for always getting dominated and beating up their own party. Hate Fighter archers even worse.

Hate Rogues who steal from the party in the name of role-playing.

Hate Druids for being furry tree-huggers.

The list is endless.


Level 9 spell casters they cause a lot of pissy arguments.


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I hate gnome anything.


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Ipslore the Red wrote:
I hate gnome anything.

Ditto. Wish they were erased from history.

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On the actual topic:

I'm less than pleased with Fighter and Rogue for power level reasons (and because Fighter fails utterly at anything outside combat).

The Swashbuckler also has power level issues...which upsets me a lot more since there was every chance to fix those.


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My all bard / barbarian sessions were awesome. Thi was before Skalds were a thing.

Metalocalypse anyone?


Rogues piss me off. When I'm the gm and someone plays a rogue I know I have extra work to do to make the character feel useful. I should say it's more about how they are played. I mean I toss out bones and the rogues never take them, they focus too much on being a fighter and maximizing DPR. All this while I've dropped opportunity after opportunity for them to maximize their skills and talents to gain more wealth and information. But's all ignored then they complain at high level that they can't take hit and can hit anything.

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The troll class is the worst. The veil ability is always thin and never seems to work. Even the humorist archetype that tries to mask their ire in humor doesn't fix this class. They have zero defense against moderators and force the whole party into a thread lock TPK.


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I HATE Gunslingers because I don't like firearms in muh fantasy.

I LOVE Bolt Aces because hell yeah crossbows.

I HATE normal Bards because I can't find a way to play one that doesn't feel like I'm just sort of missing the point.

I LOVE the Skald, and have intention to play one that has Peform (Oratory) and just yells and roars all the time. (No, I don't know why I hate Bards and love Skalds. I wish I did, I'd like to know, too!)

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Zolanoteph wrote:

What classes piss you off and why?

I've always been easy to piss off. There are some classes I wish I could just destroy forever:

1) BARDS (non-archaeologist): Singing? Dancing? Speeches? COMEDY? Do you mean to tell me that while the fighter is being torn limb from limb in the front you're standing back singing and telling jokes? F$!& you.

2) SKALD: Same thing.

3) Swashbuckler: With ability/class feature names like "flamboyant", "panache" and "Derring do" this guy got on my nerves from day one. You can build a dex based martial character that doesn't bring to mind Richard Simmons.

So what classes are pissing you off lately?

The fighter. You mean the bard's giving you all these great buffs and you're STILL getting torn limb from limb? F$!&ing weak.


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A good chunk of the ACG irritates me due to the amount of power creep across the board along with that many more resources to track, but it's not really all that big a deal--I can just not play those classes.


Kydeem de'Morcaine wrote:
Davor wrote:
OP, you need to stop scrubbing up when it comes to bard. NOBODY I've EVER met plays a bard like that...

About half of them that I see are exactly like that.

If it had been initially described as sound based magic that has these lingering effects, I (and some others) probably wouldn't have nearly as much problem with it.

Fortunately, you can reflavor it to be precisely that.


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I'm amused that people are trying to defend the Bard. The OP never said the Bard was bad, just that he didn't like them. This is supposed to just be a fun thread where you state which classes you don't like and why. Even if it doesn't make any sense.

Oh, I don't like Bards either. I realize they are effective, I just don't like the style of play they evoke. In the last game I ran one player had a Halfling Bard that played the banjo.

I also don't like the Barbarian. I am just tired of the big dumb guy with anger problems. I know you don't have to run them that way, but that is the way they are always played around me, and I'm sick of it. Plus the fact that they are just hands down better than other melee classes bugs the heck out of me.

Gunslinger. Just don't like anything about them. Bad gun rules, grit, and built-in ways to break rules just to make the effective (reloading so fast it defies all logic).

My new unfavorite, the Brawler. Martial Flexibility just makes no sense and they have no reason for why they can punch through steel or adamant. They just can.

I don't like Half-Orcs. Mostly because people insist on making them Barbarians.


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Lord Twig wrote:

I'm amused that people are trying to defend the Bard. The OP never said the Bard was bad, just that he didn't like them. This is supposed to just be a fun thread where you state which classes you don't like and why. Even if it doesn't make any sense.

Oh, I don't like Bards either. I realize they are effective, I just don't like the style of play they evoke. In the last game I ran one player had a Halfling Bard that played the banjo.

I also don't like the Barbarian. I am just tired of the big dumb guy with anger problems. I know you don't have to run them that way, but that is the way they are always played around me, and I'm sick of it. Plus the fact that they are just hands down better than other melee classes bugs the heck out of me.

Gunslinger. Just don't like anything about them. Bad gun rules, grit, and built-in ways to break rules just to make the effective (reloading so fast it defies all logic).

My new unfavorite, the Brawler. Martial Flexibility just makes no sense and they have no reason for why they can punch through steel or adamant. They just can.

I don't like Half-Orcs. Mostly because people insist on making them Barbarians.

I feel sad for you. This is the best reason for a martial doing anything.

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Locking this one up. It might be a better idea to start off a discussion like this without hostility right off the bat.

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