pheres |
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I have one question about the glove of storing use on a shield.
A friend tell me that you can use a glove of storing in order to don a shield as a free action.
Me, i say that the glove only let you take the shield as a free action, but you need a move action to strapp on the shield.
I have found a post that says that this have been discussed, but i can not find the discussion. Can someone help me?
Malachi Silverclaw |
Harsh!
When you use the glove to retrieve a weapon, you don't have to expend another action (draw a weapon) before you can use it, it appears ready for immediate use.
You could rule either way for a shield, but it's seems very harsh to say something that is used by partly being gripped in the hand (and partly looped over he arm) cannot appear ready for use.
RedDogMT |
Sorry guys, but Hector is right on this one. The Gloves of Storing works with an item that can be held in one hand. If it is strapped on the arm when the character attempts to place it goes into the glove, it is currently not being held in one hand. Logically, it also makes the most sense.
You can say that this could be ruled either way, but it would be a very weak argument to allow the shield to come out already donned. You may as well say that a ring placed in the glove comes back already equipped on the finger (which would also be weak).
reyyvin |
Sorry guys, but Hector is right on this one. The Gloves of Storing works with an item that can be held in one hand. If it is strapped on the arm when the character attempts to place it goes into the glove, it is currently not being held in one hand. Logically, it also makes the most sense.
You can say that this could be ruled either way, but it would be a very weak argument to allow the shield to come out already donned. You may as well say that a ring placed in the glove comes back already equipped on the finger (which would also be weak).
Just remember that you can ready a shield as part of a move action (like drawing a weapon) as long as your BAB is +1 or higher.
RedDogMT |
We are straying from the original subject of the thread a bit...but...
Reyyvin, that is actually not correct. Shields have weapon qualities, but also have special rules for donning. The the Core Rulebook, it states that a shield takes a move action to don and cannot be hastily donned. So, while a shield can be used as a weapon, the rules for donning supercede the rules for drawing a weapon.
This is supported by the Quick Draw shields in the APG that state the following:
Quickdraw Shield, Light Wooden or Steel: This light shield is specially crafted with a series of straps to allow a character proficient in shields to ready or stow it on his or her back quickly and easily. If you have a base attack bonus of +1 or higher, you may don or put away a quickdraw shield as a swift action combined with a regular move. If you have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat, you can draw a light or one-handed weapon with one hand and a quickdraw shield with the other in the time it would normally take you to draw one weapon. If you have the Quick Draw feat, you may don or put away a quickdraw shield as a free action.
Even if you have a quickdraw shield, it cannot be donned for free unless you also have the Quick Draw feat. Therefore, it would not stand to reason that a normal shield could be donned for free in any situation.
Malachi Silverclaw |
On command, one item held in the hand wearing the glove disappears. The item can weigh no more than 20 pounds and must be able to be held in one hand.
You have an equipped shield on the same limb as you wear the glove. The shield is worn by putting your arm through the loop and holding a handle in that hand.
So, can you say the command word and cause it to be stored in the glove?
Is it held in the hand wearing the glove? Check. It is also strapped on, but nothing in the glove's description prevents the held item also being strapped on, just that it has to be held.
Does it weigh less than 20lb and is it able to be held in one hand? Check and check.
So the glove will store the equipped shield.
With a snap of the fingers wearing the glove, the item reappears.
It reappears. Meaning, it goes back to the position it was in when it disappeared in the first place: equipped!
reyyvin |
We are straying from the original subject of the thread a bit...but...
Reyyvin, that is actually not correct. Shields have weapon qualities, but also have special rules for donning. The the Core Rulebook, it states that a shield takes a move action to don and cannot be hastily donned. So, while a shield can be used as a weapon, the rules for donning supercede the rules for drawing a weapon.
This is supported by the Quick Draw shields in the APG that state the following:
Quickdraw Shield, Light Wooden or Steel: This light shield is specially crafted with a series of straps to allow a character proficient in shields to ready or stow it on his or her back quickly and easily. If you have a base attack bonus of +1 or higher, you may don or put away a quickdraw shield as a swift action combined with a regular move. If you have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat, you can draw a light or one-handed weapon with one hand and a quickdraw shield with the other in the time it would normally take you to draw one weapon. If you have the Quick Draw feat, you may don or put away a quickdraw shield as a free action.Even if you have a quickdraw shield, it cannot be donned for free unless you also have the Quick Draw feat. Therefore, it would not stand to reason that a normal shield could be donned for free in any situation.
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/combat.html#_ready-or-drop-a-shield
Ready or Drop a Shield
Strapping a shield to your arm to gain its shield bonus to your AC, or unstrapping and dropping a shield so you can use your shield hand for another purpose, requires a move action. If you have a base attack bonus of +1 or higher, you can ready or drop a shield as a free action combined with a regular move.
Mind you, this would normally be in addition to the move action to draw the shield. In this case, with the gloves, you already have the shield in hand.
Samasboy1 |
This small metal shield is worn strapped to your forearm
Strapped to your arm, but not held in your hand.
You strap a shield to your forearm and grip it with your hand.
Strapped to your arm, but also held in your hand.
You strap a shield to your forearm and grip it with your hand
Strapped to your arm, but also held in your hand.
This massive wooden shield is nearly as tall as you are
Not specified, but its too heavy anyway.
So a "donned"/equipped shield (except bucklers and tower shields) are valid targets to store in the glove. An unequipped buckler is also valid.
When retrieved, the item "reappears." Hmm, that's not really a great argument either way. I can see the argument both ways.
Pro-it reappears the same way as when it was stored, equipped
Anti-since it shrinks to fit in your palm, storing it unequips it. So either a move action, or free action taken with a regular move, to equip
RedDogMT |
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/combat.html#_ready-or-drop-a-shiel d
Ready or Drop a Shield
Strapping a shield to your arm to gain its shield bonus to your AC, or unstrapping and dropping a shield so you can use your shield hand for another purpose, requires a move action. If you have a base attack bonus of +1 or higher, you can ready or drop a shield as a free action combined with a regular move.
Mind you, this would normally be in addition to the move action to draw the shield. In this case, with the gloves, you already have the shield in hand.
Well, I don't recall having read that rule. I stand corrected. Thanks for pointing it out.
It looks like the rule you quoted, the rules on the quick draw shields, and the donning rules are not consistent with each other. It's not a big problem, but It is a bit confusing as to what Paizo meant (I assume it is actually an oversight). After all, this would mean that a regular shield is easier to ready than a quickdraw shield when on the run, which is a little odd.
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And back to the gloves of storing...I really do think that the intention of the gloves is to allow an item that is currently and solely held in the hand to be stored and retrieved. It is simple and easy to adjudicate.
reyyvin |
reyyvin wrote:http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/combat.html#_ready-or-drop-a-shiel d
Ready or Drop a Shield
Strapping a shield to your arm to gain its shield bonus to your AC, or unstrapping and dropping a shield so you can use your shield hand for another purpose, requires a move action. If you have a base attack bonus of +1 or higher, you can ready or drop a shield as a free action combined with a regular move.
Mind you, this would normally be in addition to the move action to draw the shield. In this case, with the gloves, you already have the shield in hand.
Well, I don't recall having read that rule. I stand corrected. Thanks for pointing it out.
It looks like the rule you quoted, the rules on the quick draw shields, and the donning rules are not consistent with each other. It's not a big problem, but It is a bit confusing as to what Paizo meant (I assume it is actually an oversight). After all, this would mean that a regular shield is easier to ready than a quickdraw shield when on the run, which is a little odd.
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And back to the gloves of storing...I really do think that the intention of the gloves is to allow an item that is currently and solely held in the hand to be stored and retrieved. It is simple and easy to adjudicate.
It is odd how they're worded (no surprise with Paizo), but I believe the intent for the quickdraw shield is to pull it out and put it on as a Swift Action when combined with a move.