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Hey guys! Running into a bit of a problem. I'm leveling my 7th level Dark Tapestry Oracle, and really want to take her on the path of the Exalted (Inner Sea Gods). She worships Lamashtu, a Chaotic Evil god. I love the Exalted prestige class, but as written, with the requirement of having the character's alignment match the god's alignment exactly, it totally prevents worshipers of evil gods (that aren't evil themselves, therefore are PFS legal) from taking ranks in that class. I know I'm a terrible person for having most of my characters worship an evil god (she's too wonderful not to), but is there any way I and the other folks in my shoes could get a bone thrown our way?
Does the Aura cleric class feature match the requirement for a chaotic evil alignment, for instance? That'd be one way to do it. I'm open to interpretation, I just really want to be the best little Lamashtan terror that I can be, and I feel like the Exalted class feature is a step in the right direction if I can do it. I'm sure the Asmodeus/Rovagug/Urgathoa/etc lovers out there might feel the same way.
Sorry if this is a repeat of another thread. My Google-Fu skills weren't enough to find anything similar in this board.
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We'll first problem, none of the Boons for Lamashtu are legal for PFS so you can't be an exalted of Lamashtu. Of course in PFS you are right it looks like any followers of an evil deity can't become Exalted. There is currently no way around that.
Second to gain any benefits of following a god you have to be at the most one step away in alignment for Lamashtu that means the only legal choice you have for Lamshtu in PFS in CN which I assume you are?
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Correct! The character is CN. Why are none of the boons for Lamashtu legal in PFS though? It says in additional resources that her pages are legal. Unless I didn't read something properly...
If you are referring to Inner Sea Gods,
They aren't legal. Here you go:
Misc.: all material in chapter 1 is legal except pages 92–99;
They aren't legal because:
Obedience: Sacrifice an unwilling living creature in the name of the Mother of Monsters. Draw the process out to inspire the maximum terror and suffering in your victim. The death blow you deal should be savage and destructive—do not grant your sacrifice a clean death.
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...Oh. Lamashtu's stuff DOES fall on those pages, doesn't it...? So not only can I not play the character I want due to alignment restrictions, the god I like most specifically got the ax on all of her attributes, while everyone else gets to roam free. Oh well, you're the owner of the game, what you say goes in your game. All right, I'll just be here, sitting with my little family of older classes while everyone else gets to have fun with the new material, no big deal, didn't need it anyway~ Sorry to waste your time. :x
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...Oh. Lamashtu's stuff DOES fall on those pages, doesn't it...? So not only can I not play the character I want due to alignment restrictions, the god I like most specifically got the ax on all of her attributes, while everyone else gets to roam free. Oh well, you're the owner of the game, what you say goes in your game. All right, I'll just be here, sitting with my little family of older classes while everyone else gets to have fun with the new material, no big deal, didn't need it anyway~ Sorry to waste your time. :x
We just didn't think it was a good idea for OP for characters to be sacrificing an unwilling living creature while drawing the process out to inspire the maximum terror and suffering in your victim.
I think I'm out of here for the weekend. See everyone on Monday.
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It's fine! Sometimes things just aren't fair. You guys did a seriously amazing job with the book, I was so excited to see some of the stuff I did. I love Redlust/Chillheart's daughters, in particular. I was all stoked about finally getting to play into my characters' love of their terrible fertility goddess. Even outside of Lamashtu's stuff, it's a rich and vibrant text. I love the pictures. It's just the one thing I wanted to do most, I can't do, so I'm more than a little disappointed. In the name of keeping the peace though, I guess I can see why you guys made your decision. You have to please the majority, not the freaks like me. Hopefully some arrangement, errata or other agreement can one day be made in the future to make Lamashtu's faithful more acceptable in the realm of PFS.
Have a nice weekend!
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"All you flessshy onesss are the same. You think 10,000 years you screwing everything that movesss hasss brought you to the top. Let me assure you, it hasss not. Lamassshtu is just a symptom of the disease that plagues you non-scaled onessss. I wasss made ssstong by my Naga masters. Enginered from before birth for sssuccesss. Ssspawn of Lamasshtu are merely monsterssss to be murdered."
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"All you flessshy onesss are the same. You think 10,000 years you screwing everything that movesss hasss brought you to the top. Let me assure you, it hasss not. Lamassshtu is just a symptom of the disease that plagues you non-scaled onessss. I wasss made ssstong by my Naga masters. Enginered from before birth for sssuccesss. Ssspawn of Lamasshtu are merely monsterssss to be murdered."
-Chun Hei (paladin of Yaezhing)
You have just been deceived our great Mother is Mother to all. You are just being a unruly child that gives praise to a false parent to try to wound her but Mother along with your brothers and sisters will welcome you back with open arms in this life or after you met your end at the end of my blade and between my fangs.
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Dixie my friend,
just a quick question
Obedience: Sacrifice an unwilling living creature in the name of the Mother of Monsters. Draw the process out to inspire the maximum terror and suffering in your victim. The death blow you deal should be savage and destructive—do not grant your sacrifice a clean death.
I find this obedience quite disturbing. Do you? I know its a game and all that.
I also have a character of "questionable" morality. A LN cleric of Asmodeus.
I had my fun with my LN cleric of Asmodeus with his 0 ranks in healing and 11 ranks in profession: barrister! I certainly glossed over and didn't really pay attention to the blood sacrifices required, and as mentioned for more important spells, blood sacrifices of slaves/prisioners/ traitors etc.
I suppose I emphasized his adhereance to Law rather then Evil. My "joke" in his background was that he was sent to join the Pathfinder society because his superiors found him to be very tiresome and irritating. He didn't stray from the letter of the law, so they couldn't outright kill him....so they did the next best thing "promoted" him sideways.
Hmm, I kind of forgot where I was going with this....its late.
Anyways, I am looking forward to the "not a pathfinder event" tomorrow or rather later on today at Game Theory. I hope to see you there!,
your friend,
Myles
All of the gods in pf have stuff to allow for a broader range of followers. However at her core lamashtuu is still a ce demon goddess. Being exalted etc would be about embracing her core faith tenets.
Thoigh its strage rovagugs obedience tiven the nature of the beast so to speak is less vile than lamashtuus.
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All of the gods in pf have stuff to allow for a broader range of followers. However at her core lamashtuu is still a ce demon goddess. Being exalted etc would be about embracing her core faith tenets.
Thoigh its strage rovagugs obedience tiven the nature of the beast so to speak is less vile than lamashtuus.
Pathfinders are all about mindless destruction!
Pathfinders are all about mindless destruction!All of the gods in pf have stuff to allow for a broader range of followers. However at her core lamashtuu is still a ce demon goddess. Being exalted etc would be about embracing her core faith tenets.
Thoigh its strage rovagugs obedience tiven the nature of the beast so to speak is less vile than lamashtuus.
Sigh, sadly my experience is beginning to mirror that outlook.
However at her core lamashtuu is still a ce demon goddess. Being exalted etc would be about embracing her core faith tenets.
Thoigh its strage rovagugs obedience tiven the nature of the beast so to speak is less vile than lamashtuus.
Could be worse! Lamashtu is the patron for the demon mother's mask.
Once a day rituals like this sound pretty hard to carry out, for what its worth. Its one thing to contemplate, its another to destroy. Can make it NPC material anyway.
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Yeah as a player Lamashtu's requirement kinda horrifies me (in fact Lamashtu when she pops up in modules and aps does tend to scare me).
Id also have some pretty severe reservations about why an Exalted of Lamashtu would join the Pathfinder Society. It would have to be a humdinger of a background story.
' Hi Im <FOULNAMEHERE> , an all powerful Exalted one of Lamashtu, the mother of all monsters. The note the guy gave me at reception said I needed to go to the Silver Crusade to find my Bunk. Do any of you have any mounts or animal companions that need corrupting?'
'STAB STAB STAB, CHOP CHIP CHOP, BURN'
(On a semi more serious note, the Pathfinder Society whilst not a 'good' aligned society, certainly pegs towards that alignment style. We have quite a few characters out there sitting on LN worshipping Devil Lords and other types with a similar alignment. I find these far more easier to justify (as they like the structured form of the society) than I do for CN types worshipping CE Deities)
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I play a hidden Cleric of Lamashtu*, but I understand why this (boon) is illegal... The requirement for the boon, i.e. the "obedience" is so obviously evil that it violates PFS guidelines for alignment. CN isn't evil... Though one could argue there is a fine line because chaotic thoughts/deeds oppose most (PC playable) humanoid races' ideals of righteousness and justice and betterment of the whole by sacrifice of individual needs...
But, sacrificing an intelligent humanoid in the most painful, gruesome and sadistic manner possible is evil *enuf* that it should be obvious why such actions are prohibited under PFS.
WJ
*She has her own madness and reasons for it, but they lie wholly in CN land and not CE land.
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That's why you should join team Rovagug tm! We believe in the freedom to do things your way*. You'll be able to experience the wider world around you, and bring your love of being awesome** to as many people as possible.
*: Side effects include limited alignment choices, questionable morality, certain sexual side effects, and the desire to watch the world burn.
**: For a world lasting more than 10 centuries, please consult a physician as you may be at risk for intervention by other divine casters
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I also have a character of "questionable" morality. A LN cleric of Asmodeus.
I had my fun with my LN cleric of Asmodeus with his 0 ranks in healing and 11 ranks in profession: barrister! I certainly glossed over and didn't really pay attention to the blood sacrifices required, and as mentioned for more important spells, blood sacrifices of slaves/prisioners/ traitors etc.I suppose I emphasized his adhereance to Law rather then Evil. My "joke" in his background was that he was sent to join the Pathfinder society because his superiors found him to be very tiresome and irritating. He didn't stray from the letter of the law, so they couldn't outright kill him....so they did the next best thing "promoted" him sideways.
My Chelaxian witch is full-blown moustache-twirling puppy-kicking lawful... neutral. MUAHAHAHAHAHA
Thoigh its strage rovagugs obedience tiven the nature of the beast so to speak is less vile than lamashtuus.Out of curiosity, what are some of the obediences for the other evil gods, which are more acceptable?
Abraxas would only have you self flagellate.
Aldinach would has you pray in the sands and devour a single live scorption(vermin).
Angazhan Would have you get high and beat to a drum made of human.
Areshkagal only requires scarification in the morning.
Baphomet has you stand still for 55 minutes then speak 50 observations in the last few.
None of these require the torture or death of a sapient creature and that's just a few of the demonic obediences. Only had to skip over one going from start to Baphomet. If I remember right Ragathiel, one of the good gods, has you kill another living being.
To be honest I think they should make a PFS friendly obedience for Lamashtu so you can still play as a Evangelist or Sentinel of Lamashtu since they follow the one step rule so you can be one as CN.
Lamashtu is the only deity that isn't legal to have the class/feat in so I think it'd be fair to put a PFS friendly one in a blog post and say use that one for Lamashtu in PFS kinda like they did for the domains of Pharasma.
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I have to say, if I'm your god, unless you're a heretic you had better abide by my alignment and my tenants. And if you're a heretic there had better be one doozy of a reason that I'm giving you spells and abilities if my church thinks of you as an outcast.
I guess what I'm saying is that the "no evil alignment" rule merely sugar-coats a larger philosophy: that this is a game and you should be able to play what you want (within reason). But seeing people complain about how they can't play a worshiper of a torture loving, life hating, murderously evil, twisted sociopath of a divine entity that is constantly at war with every other entity in the mutliverse...well, I just don't really get it.
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I have to say, if I'm your god, unless you're a heretic you had better abide by my alignment and my tenants. And if you're a heretic there had better be one doozy of a reason that I'm giving you spells and abilities if my church thinks of you as an outcast.
I guess what I'm saying is that the "no evil alignment" rule merely sugar-coats a larger philosophy: that this is a game and you should be able to play what you want (within reason). But seeing people complain about how they can't play a worshiper of a torture loving, life hating, murderously evil, twisted sociopath of a divine entity that is constantly at war with every other entity in the mutliverse...well, I just don't really get it.
The torture loving, life hating, murderously evil, twisted sociopath of a divine entity that is constantly at war with every other entity in the mutliverse
1) Had the domains i wanted
2) Sparked a really cool character idea (I did want to do a pro monster advocate cleric of lamashtu. I eventually made Flutter instead)
3) Would be fun to role play
4) I have business cards
5) I think the holy symbol of lamashtu looks cool and I can carve one and wear it.
I have to say, if I'm your god, unless you're a heretic you had better abide by my alignment and my tenants. And if you're a heretic there had better be one doozy of a reason that I'm giving you spells and abilities if my church thinks of you as an outcast.
I guess what I'm saying is that the "no evil alignment" rule merely sugar-coats a larger philosophy: that this is a game and you should be able to play what you want (within reason). But seeing people complain about how they can't play a worshiper of a torture loving, life hating, murderously evil, twisted sociopath of a divine entity that is constantly at war with every other entity in the mutliverse...well, I just don't really get it.
If this was directed to me then my point still stands Lamashtu is the only one that isn't legal you can still worship(and be and Evangelist/Sentinel) of a torture loving(Zon-Kuthon), life hating(Rovagug), murderously evil(Norgorber), twisted sociopath(Urgathoa), a divine entity that is constantly at war with every other entity in the multiverse(Rovagug again since he wants to destroy everything)
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If this was directed to me then my point still stands Lamashtu is the only one that isn't legal you can still worship(and be and Evangelist/Sentinel) of a torture loving(Zon-Kuthon), life hating(Rovagug), murderously evil(Norgorber), twisted sociopath(Urgathoa), a divine entity that is constantly at war with every other entity in the multiverse(Rovagug again since he wants to destroy everything)I have to say, if I'm your god, unless you're a heretic you had better abide by my alignment and my tenants. And if you're a heretic there had better be one doozy of a reason that I'm giving you spells and abilities if my church thinks of you as an outcast.
I guess what I'm saying is that the "no evil alignment" rule merely sugar-coats a larger philosophy: that this is a game and you should be able to play what you want (within reason). But seeing people complain about how they can't play a worshiper of a torture loving, life hating, murderously evil, twisted sociopath of a divine entity that is constantly at war with every other entity in the mutliverse...well, I just don't really get it.
Pretty much Drogon's point, exactly. Why, in a cooperative campaign, would you want to play a worshipper of any of these?
I have to say, if I'm your god, unless you're a heretic you had better abide by my alignment and my tenants. And if you're a heretic there had better be one doozy of a reason that I'm giving you spells and abilities if my church thinks of you as an outcast.
Yeah? Well my oracle disagrees! Also, he doesn't know who gave him his superpowers. So uhh... Hard to know if he's doing the right thing... Or the wrong thing... Or how to test it. Oracles break all the rules.
To be honest I think they should make a PFS friendly obedience for Lamashtu so you can still play as a Evangelist or Sentinel of Lamashtu since they follow the one step rule so you can be one as CN.
Lamashtu is the only deity that isn't legal to have the class/feat in so I think it'd be fair to put a PFS friendly one in a blog post and say use that one for Lamashtu in PFS kinda like they did for the domains of Pharasma.
The book wasn't written for PFS, and PFS usually doesn't make rules just to allow things in so much as allow things that are dandy for public to view in on. Don't suppose you have a nice suggestion for an obedience that's more public friendly Lamashtu? So long as your asking for one.
The book wasn't written for PFS, and PFS usually doesn't make rules just to allow things in so much as allow things that are dandy for public to view in on. Don't suppose you have a nice suggestion for an obedience that's more public friendly Lamashtu? So long as your asking for one.To be honest I think they should make a PFS friendly obedience for Lamashtu so you can still play as a Evangelist or Sentinel of Lamashtu since they follow the one step rule so you can be one as CN.
Lamashtu is the only deity that isn't legal to have the class/feat in so I think it'd be fair to put a PFS friendly one in a blog post and say use that one for Lamashtu in PFS kinda like they did for the domains of Pharasma.
"In a ritual wound yourself giving your prays and praise to the Mother of Monsters preferably inflicting the wounds with a kukri, claw, or sharpened piece of bone afterwards while the wounds heal and scar contemplate on ways to release the inner beast of people and to draw people to the worship of Lamashtu."
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I have to say, if I'm your god, unless you're a heretic you had better abide by my alignment and my tenants. And if you're a heretic there had better be one doozy of a reason that I'm giving you spells and abilities if my church thinks of you as an outcast.
I guess what I'm saying is that the "no evil alignment" rule merely sugar-coats a larger philosophy: that this is a game and you should be able to play what you want (within reason). But seeing people complain about how they can't play a worshiper of a torture loving, life hating, murderously evil, twisted sociopath of a divine entity that is constantly at war with every other entity in the mutliverse...well, I just don't really get it.
The torture loving, life hating, murderously evil, twisted sociopath of a divine entity that is constantly at war with every other entity in the mutliverse
1) Had the domains i wanted
2) Sparked a really cool character idea (I did want to do a pro monster advocate cleric of lamashtu. I eventually made Flutter instead)
3) Would be fun to role play
4) I have business cards
5) I think the holy symbol of lamashtu looks cool and I can carve one and wear it.
Well, yeah. And these are all totally valid reasons. Thus the sugar coated "no evil (one step away is okay, though)" rule.
But when they print a new ability that you can only get by carving up a living baby and serving it to its mother for breakfast you probably shouldn't complain about not having access to it, regardless of the fact that "it's only a game."
PS - I've never seen you (specifically) complain about such things, by the way. You take your sugar coating and have fun with it, from what I've seen. It's the complaining about *not* being able to serve up Baby du Jour that *I'm* complaining about.
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Pretty much Drogon's point, exactly. Why, in a cooperative campaign, would you want to play a worshipper of any of these?If this was directed to me then my point still stands Lamashtu is the only one that isn't legal you can still worship(and be and Evangelist/Sentinel) of a torture loving(Zon-Kuthon), life hating(Rovagug), murderously evil(Norgorber), twisted sociopath(Urgathoa), a divine entity that is constantly at war with every other entity in the multiverse(Rovagug again since he wants to destroy everything)
Zon-Kuthon is also a god of loss, something everyday and ubiquitous. Norgorber's worship is split into aspects, not all of them evil or murderous. Urgathoa is a deity of excess too.
How about Gorum? Deity of might-makes-right and constant warfare. Abadar? His spell boon is Glibness 1/day, talk about Lawful. Calistria? Antipaladins of sex and violence, woo! Torag? Hope you ain't no stinkin' elf.
Funny things, generalizations. Heh, I'll give you Rovagug though. Dude's nuts.
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Pretty much Drogon's point, exactly. Why, in a cooperative campaign, would you want to play a worshipper of any of these?If this was directed to me then my point still stands Lamashtu is the only one that isn't legal you can still worship(and be and Evangelist/Sentinel) of a torture loving(Zon-Kuthon), life hating(Rovagug), murderously evil(Norgorber), twisted sociopath(Urgathoa), a divine entity that is constantly at war with every other entity in the multiverse(Rovagug again since he wants to destroy everything)I have to say, if I'm your god, unless you're a heretic you had better abide by my alignment and my tenants. And if you're a heretic there had better be one doozy of a reason that I'm giving you spells and abilities if my church thinks of you as an outcast.
I guess what I'm saying is that the "no evil alignment" rule merely sugar-coats a larger philosophy: that this is a game and you should be able to play what you want (within reason). But seeing people complain about how they can't play a worshiper of a torture loving, life hating, murderously evil, twisted sociopath of a divine entity that is constantly at war with every other entity in the mutliverse...well, I just don't really get it.
Dread Knight, this wasn't directed at you. I wasn't very articulate, which misled Desolate Harmony, in turn.
Trying to be more articulate: Play your evil-god worshiping dude. You can have your reasons and have your fun. I'm not going to begrudge you that fun, at all. But please don't get grouchy when you're denied the ability that god grants that really is considered EVIL. You're being denied that ability because it (or how you get it) doesn't play well in a cooperative environment (game or no).
Well I honestly believe that PFS allows SOOO much people feel jaded whent he "one thing" they speciifcally want is not legal.
On the other hand, you want to allow a wide variety of people in and just not allowing something arbitrarily doesn't really serve a purpose I wouldn't think.
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Well I honestly believe that PFS allows SOOO much people feel jaded whent he "one thing" they speciifcally want is not legal.On the other hand, you want to allow a wide variety of people in and just not allowing something arbitrarily doesn't really serve a purpose I wouldn't think.
Bolding mine. I'm going to assume that you haven't read the rest of this thread or you wouldn't have made the preceding statement. If, indeed, you haven't, reading the OP and Mr. Brock's and Drogon's responses will catch you up right away.
Bolding mine. I'm going to assume that you haven't read the rest of this thread or you wouldn't have made the preceding statement. If, indeed, you haven't, reading the OP and Mr. Brock's and Drogon's responses will catch you up right away.Well I honestly believe that PFS allows SOOO much people feel jaded whent he "one thing" they speciifcally want is not legal.On the other hand, you want to allow a wide variety of people in and just not allowing something arbitrarily doesn't really serve a purpose I wouldn't think.
Wasn't referring to anything in this thread, and I have read it.
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Well I honestly believe that PFS allows SOOO much people feel jaded whent he "one thing" they speciifcally want is not legal.On the other hand, you want to allow a wide variety of people in and just not allowing something arbitrarily doesn't really serve a purpose I wouldn't think.
I going to gainsay you just a teensy bit, Mr. Sin:
If you really think that the idea of carving up babies and serving them to their mothers for breakfast is "cool" or "fun to play," then no, I actually don't want to allow you into the game.
Otherwise, yes, I want a wide variety of people in the game. But I'm pretty happy that Paizo actively works on excluding the real creepers.
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My Chelaxian witch is full-blown moustache-twirling puppy-kicking lawful... neutral. MUAHAHAHAHAHA
I also have a character of "questionable" morality. A LN cleric of Asmodeus.
I had my fun with my LN cleric of Asmodeus with his 0 ranks in healing and 11 ranks in profession: barrister! I certainly glossed over and didn't really pay attention to the blood sacrifices required, and as mentioned for more important spells, blood sacrifices of slaves/prisioners/ traitors etc.I suppose I emphasized his adhereance to Law rather then Evil. My "joke" in his background was that he was sent to join the Pathfinder society because his superiors found him to be very tiresome and irritating. He didn't stray from the letter of the law, so they couldn't outright kill him....so they did the next best thing "promoted" him sideways.
Charlie sounds like fun!. I have had several very amusing (at least to me) moments with this character. Last year at Contemporal 2013 I played this character through Steve Miller's Refuge of time
Well I honestly believe that PFS allows SOOO much people feel jaded whent he "one thing" they speciifcally want is not legal.On the other hand, you want to allow a wide variety of people in and just not allowing something arbitrarily doesn't really serve a purpose I wouldn't think.I going to gainsay you just a teensy bit, Mr. Sin:
If you really think that the idea of carving up babies and serving them to their mothers for breakfast is "cool" or "fun to play," then no, I actually don't want to allow you into the game.
Otherwise, yes, I want a wide variety of people in the game. But I'm pretty happy that Paizo actively works on excluding the real creepers.
I'd think saying "no carving up babies to use as a bongo drum" is a bit more than whim. Also, gross.
Dread Knight, this wasn't directed at you. I wasn't very articulate, which misled Desolate Harmony, in turn.
Trying to be more articulate: Play your evil-god worshiping dude. You can have your reasons and have your fun. I'm not going to begrudge you that fun, at all. But please don't get grouchy when you're denied the ability that god grants that really is considered EVIL. You're being denied that ability because it (or how you get it) doesn't play well in a cooperative environment (game or no).
Which I'm saying they should change to a PFS friendly one; I don't care about an errata to change what is in the actual book they can keep it the same for more open campaigns I just want one that can be used for PFS since the only reason you can't is because the person that wrote it made it a sacrifice and (arguably) more evil than the other evil deities' obedience.
I honestly find it unfair that Lamashtu is the only deity whose worshipers can't take advantage of the major things in the book and that they should post a PFS friendly obedience in something like a blog post and the obedience could be something like what I posted above.
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Well, yeah. And these are all totally valid reasons. Thus the sugar coated "no evil (one step away is okay, though)" rule.
But when they print a new ability that you can only get by carving up a living baby and serving it to its mother for breakfast you probably shouldn't complain about not having access to it, regardless of the fact that "it's only a game."
True. But there (and you don't hear this all that often) really should be more baby eating evil in those chapters. Its like they avoided it for everyone BUT lamashtu
PS - I've never seen you (specifically) complain about such things, by the way.
No, but everyone here has a reasonable point.
The rite SHOULD be that evil. Otherwise there's no difference between good and evil.
The rite is too evil for primetime. It has to be banhammered.
The PFS staff aren't in the business of over ruling published material.
The Lamashtu clerics (which are only about as hard to justify as pathfinders as your average paladin) are being singled out as ineligible for a very cool new mechanic.
The clerics of other evil gods are breathing a sigh of relief that they didn't get something equally as evil to keep them out of the cookie jar.
You take your sugar coating and have fun with it, from what I've seen. It's the complaining about *not* being able to serve up Baby du Jour that *I'm* complaining about.
They don't necessarily want to serve up the baby they want the raffle prizes you get for serving up the baby. You can walk into Gozreh's showcase showdown with a bucket...
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Dread Knight, this wasn't directed at you. I wasn't very articulate, which misled Desolate Harmony, in turn.
Trying to be more articulate: Play your evil-god worshiping dude. You can have your reasons and have your fun. I'm not going to begrudge you that fun, at all. But please don't get grouchy when you're denied the ability that god grants that really is considered EVIL. You're being denied that ability because it (or how you get it) doesn't play well in a cooperative environment (game or no).
Which I'm saying they should change to a PFS friendly one; I don't care about an errata to change what is in the actual book they can keep it the same for more open campaigns I just want one that can be used for PFS since the only reason you can't is because the person that wrote it made it a sacrifice and (arguably) more evil than the other evil deities' obedience.
I honestly find it unfair that Lamashtu is the only deity whose worshipers can't take advantage of the major things in the book and that they should post a PFS friendly obedience in something like a blog post and the obedience could be something like what I posted above.
Ah, but see: therein lies the rub.
The designers of the game are designing for the game and/or for the world of Golarion. They think that the ability deserves the obedience they wrote up. It is not up to PFS to make that obedience more palatable all in the name of "fitting in" to a cooperative game. If that were the job of PFS developers then they would have a significantly more difficult time doing their jobs.
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I'd think saying "no carving up babies to use as a bongo drum" is a bit more than whim. Also, gross.Well I honestly believe that PFS allows SOOO much people feel jaded whent he "one thing" they speciifcally want is not legal.On the other hand, you want to allow a wide variety of people in and just not allowing something arbitrarily doesn't really serve a purpose I wouldn't think.I going to gainsay you just a teensy bit, Mr. Sin:
If you really think that the idea of carving up babies and serving them to their mothers for breakfast is "cool" or "fun to play," then no, I actually don't want to allow you into the game.
Otherwise, yes, I want a wide variety of people in the game. But I'm pretty happy that Paizo actively works on excluding the real creepers.
Ummm, then I'm not sure where you're coming from. If it's the general, "Don't ban things arbitrarily/on a whim", I don't think anything in this thread falls near that line. The O.P. made it pretty clear what s/he was referring to and Mr. Brock and Drogon pointed out why such is verboten in this organized play campaign.
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As several have mentioned, I don't anticipate Mike and I would create a PG-rated Lamashtu obedience for Pathfinder Society Organized Play. The campaign showcases the setting, and Inner Sea Gods is one of the Pathfinder Campaign Setting books. Not only would changing the obedience contradict a recent publication, but it would undermine/cheapen the flavor established for Lamashtu.
If you are concerned that Lamashtu got the 'most evil' obedience (whereas other evil deities have less violent ones), you might consider asking about that on the book's product page or other discussion threads.
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Which I'm saying they should change to a PFS friendly one; I don't care about an errata to change what is in the actual book they can keep it the same for more open campaigns I just want one that can be used for PFS since the only reason you can't is because the person that wrote it made it a sacrifice and (arguably) more evil than the other evil deities' obedience.
I honestly find it unfair that Lamashtu is the only deity whose worshipers can't take advantage of the major things in the book and that they should post a PFS friendly obedience in something like a blog post and the obedience could be something like what I posted above.
The obedience for PFS is not going to be rewritten. PFS is not going to take Golarion Canon and change it. I understand you feel it's unfair but it's not an issue of what is fair, it's an issue of what's healthy for the campaign. And it's not healthy for the campaign to have people being sacrificed (you'd lose your character rather quickly with evil acts) and it's not healthy for PFS to start changing what's written for Golarion canon. This is one of the reason why access to the evil class archetypes (vivisectionist, undead lord) were removed from the game.
I understand that it sucks to not be able to play something in a book you own but sometimes it's for the better of the campaign.
Ummm, then I'm not sure where you're coming from. If it's the general, "Don't ban things arbitrarily/on a whim", I don't think anything in this thread falls near that line. The O.P. made it pretty clear what s/he was referring to and Mr. Brock and Drogon pointed out why such is verboten in this organized play campaign.
Read it as "I'm glad we allow so much though!" in response to the first thing that was quoted, and it makes a little more sense. I never said anything was being arbitrarily banned.