Ranged touch attacks?


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Hello!

The Winter Witch archetype recently caught my eye (I blame Frozen) and I decided to create a character of said archetype. However, before finalizing I would like to know: Does the Ray of Frost cantrip stack with the Frozen Caress hex? As far as I can tell, Ray of Frost is a ranged touch attack that deals cold damage and Frozen Caress infuses touch attacks to deal extra cold damage.

Does this work, or must I use a touch attack that makes me physically touch the target for the extra cold damage to kick in?

Thanks for answers!


Not pfs (the organized play) question. this post will probably get moved. Try not to get lost (a witch of all people knows what happens when you get lost in the woods...)

Frozen Caress (Su) Whenever the winter witch casts a touch spell, she can infuse the magic with cold as a swift action. This grants the spell the cold descriptor, and adds 1d4 points of cold damage to the spell’s effect. If the touch spell allows a saving throw, a successful save negates this additional cold damage.

A touch spell is a spell with a range of touch. A ray of frost merely uses a touch attack. Baring some funky class ability, it won't work with ray of frost.


vodka, what you are looking for are spells with "Range: Touch" in their descriptors. I think Ray of frost is "Range: Close" if memory serves.


Ranged touch attacks are explicitly NOT the same as touch attacks.

To add more confusion, there are some attacks that target touch AC but are not considered either tuch attacks or ranged touch attacks. See gunslingers for an example.

-j

Scarab Sages

BigNorseWolf wrote:

Not pfs (the organized play) question. this post will probably get moved. Try not to get lost (a witch of all people knows what happens when you get lost in the woods...)

Frozen Caress (Su) Whenever the winter witch casts a touch spell, she can infuse the magic with cold as a swift action. This grants the spell the cold descriptor, and adds 1d4 points of cold damage to the spell’s effect. If the touch spell allows a saving throw, a successful save negates this additional cold damage.

A touch spell is a spell with a range of touch. A ray of frost merely uses a touch attack. Baring some funky class ability, it won't work with ray of frost.

And I disagree - a melee touch spell is a spell with a range of touch - a touch spell is a spell that hits the touch AC.

The core rule book describes specific touch spell types - melee touch spells and ranged touch spells - but the effect only talks about touch spells without specifying melee touch which you seem to be adding to it.

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Vodka Warrior wrote:
Frozen Caress hex? As far as I can tell, Ray of Frost is a ranged touch attack

Not not a "Touch" spell, like Aid:

Quote:

AID

School enchantment (compulsion) [mind-affecting]; Level cleric 2 Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, DF
Range touch
Target living creature touched
Duration 1 min./level
Saving Throw none; Spell Resistance yes (harmless)


I thought ray of frost and acid splash were range touch attacks? The range descriptor says close and not touch because it was saying the range of how far the spell would be able to hit something. In both of the spells it says u roll for range touch attack to see weither it hit or not.
also was under the impression that when it said range of touch, it meant it was a melee touch. I havent seen a range touch attack that stated in the range part of the spell that said "touch" and not the distance in which the spell could touch something.

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Redneckdevil wrote:
I thought ray of frost and acid splash were range touch attacks?

They do have range touch attacks, but they are not range touch spells.

Quote:
Frozen Caress (Su) Whenever the winter witch casts a touch spell,

Would it be more clear if it said:

Quote:
Frozen Caress (Su) Whenever the winter witch casts a touch spell (not a close ranged),


I've always ran it that touch spells covered both melee and ranged. If it meant to limit it to JUST melee spells then it should have said 'Whenever the winter witch casts a spell with touch range' instead of touch spell. A ranged touch spell is a touch spell after all. It's in the name...


A touch spell just means it bypasses certain parts of AC. The two are not the same. The touch range means she has to be able to touch it. A ranged touched is normally something like a ray based attacked. If someone is 100 feet away, and the spell has a range of touch then you can not touch them, but if they are 100 feet away, but within the distance limit for the spell then you can use it one them.


the "D" in rangeD touch attack seems to be missing in a lot of the posts here.... a "touch spell" is a spell with a "range" of "touch". A "ranged touch spell" is a spell with a range of (anything except touch or personal) that relies on a ranged touch attack as a method of delivery.

For any who are confused, just take a look at the magus. (and continue to be confused, more than likely, but they have numerous threads and clarifications about how they interact with "touch spells")

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