Tielfing with "Child of the crusades" trait

[Mavrickindigo]

I want to make a tiefling with the Child of the Crusades trait, but I read that Mendev likes to kill Tiefling children. Do you suppose crusaders might be able to pull strings to keep her from being killed? would they want to kill her themselves?

[DM_aka_Dudemeister]

Paladins don't go in for baby murder no matter the race, and no matter what any alignment thread tells you. I'm not sure where you read that Mendev likes to kill Tiefling children, because tieflings are a pretty common phenomenon near the World Wound.

So unless you need it to be a particular element of your backstory, don't sweat it.

[Mavrickindigo]

"'m not sure where you read that Mendev likes to kill Tiefling children"

Blood of Fiends, Page 9

"Thanks to the predations of neighboring demons, tiefling births are fairly common in this crusader nation. Yet this is perhaps the most dangerous place for a tiefling to be born, as most residents see tieflings as spies for the enemy. Tiefling children are inevitably smothered when discovered, and those who manage to survive their childhood must do so through hiding and constant vigilance. Adult tieflings whose natures are revealed can expect to be burned at the stake, regardless of their actions or dispositions--only the most extreme need could cause most of the region's zealots to stay their hands."

[DM_aka_Dudemeister]

Ah, I don't have blood of fiends.

But it sounds to me that this is the work of the misguided zealots, and not of actual paladins/clergy. So if your tiefling was born to commoners then yeah, there's a high chance he was smothered at birth (or left in the wilderness or something).

But a tiefling born to a paladin, or cleric might be shameful but a Good character doesn't murder babies. So the character might be given up for adoption by a convent/monastary/far-away boarding school. Unless you want to come from a family of CAPITAL GOOD characters, in which case the tiefling grew up under their parent's protection, superstition bedamned. "I love my child no matter how many tails she has!"

[Sebastian Hirsch]

Your character does not need to be born in Mendev, so you could circumvent this problem.
If this doesn’t work for you, just assume that your tiefling features are very minor.

However you should be warned, that being a tiefling will be very hard in this AP.

[Seth Parsons]

Oh shi-! That's messed up. But note that it doesn't actually say paladins or crusaders. The smothering is probably done by desperate folks and zealots. That said, the AP does say that Tieflings do make it to the front lines and prove themselves. Problem is that usually only fellow soldiers see this, not Joe the Horse Wrangler who sees the person and starts screaming for a burning stake.

But one can handwave this easily enough. 'Oh, they used to do that, but after the ___ Crusade, the Tieflings are now tolerated. Shunned a lot, but tolerated.'

There, simple handwave that still allows for people to be super-cautious/suspicious of Tieflings.

[magnuskn]

Sebastian Hirsch wrote:

However you should be warned, that being a tiefling will be very hard in this AP.

Aside from the societal problems, actually not that much.

[trawets71]

Mavrickindigo wrote:

I want to make a tiefling with the Child of the Crusades trait, but I read that Mendev likes to kill Tiefling children. Do you suppose crusaders might be able to pull strings to keep her from being killed? would they want to kill her themselves?

I'm playing a Tiefling with the Child of the Crusades trait currently. This trait doesn't say you grew up in Mendev just that your parents were crusaders. Due to tieflings starting ages (64-108, 4594 AR-4650 AR) you'll have been born somewhere around the 1st (4622-4630 AR) and 2nd (4638-4645 AR)Crusades.

My character was born in Drezen between the 1st and 2nd Crusades to a cleric and paladin. Shortly after my birth they saw this was no place to raise a tiefling and moved to Absolom where I was raised. Your character could be born and raised anywhere on Golorian as long as your parents served in the crusade.

[Tangent101]

Actually, Paizo is retconning the ages of the Tiefling and Aasamir to be human-normal. There are Tieflings and Aasamir in several APs who are age-specific and thus couldn't work with the longer ages. (I pointed out that having them age like half-elves would work, but no dice.)

[agnelcow]

trawets71 wrote:

I'm playing a Tiefling with the Child of the Crusades trait currently. This trait doesn't say you grew up in Mendev just that your parents were crusaders. Due to tieflings starting ages (64-108, 4594 AR-4650 AR) you'll have been born somewhere around the 1st (4622-4630 AR) and 2nd (4638-4645 AR)Crusades.

Just wanted to point out that James Jacobs has said that Tieflings and Aasimar should age as humans in Golarion, as the plot of certain adventures hinges on that being that case; his hope is that the ARG will receive errata to put it in-line with setting products that predate it, rather than have the stories be rewritten to accommodate the information in that book. The setting-specific Blood of Fiends, for instance, states that Tieflings age as humans.

That said, whatever you and your GM feel is appropriate for your story should determine what aging conventions are used.

/threadjack

[Mavrickindigo]

Tangent101 wrote:

Actually, Paizo is retconning the ages of the Tiefling and Aasamir to be human-normal. There are Tieflings and Aasamir in several APs who are age-specific and thus couldn't work with the longer ages. (I pointed out that having them age like half-elves would work, but no dice.)

Might want to point out where that is stated. If that's the case, I have a lot of retconning to do on my Runelords game since I have an aasimar and a tiefling in the party. It doesn't help that hardly any of the important characters have ages listed for them, like Nualia, or father Tobyn.

Also I made my character, I'm looking for some feats to take instead of channeled smite, since I intend to fight demons, not undead

https://wrath-of-the-righteous-23.obsidianportal.com/characters/salome-2

[Changing Man]

agnelcow wrote:

Just wanted to point out that James Jacobs has said that Tieflings and Aasimar should age as humans in Golarion, as the plot of certain adventures hinges on that being that case;

Just repeating what Agnelcow said, since the link was there.

or here, in case my copy/paste didn't work right.

[Jerdane]

Interestingly, the Player's Guide to WotR explicitly states that Tieflings are not unknown in the Crusade nowadays, so the info in Blood of Fiends may refer to an older time (or someone just retconned it a bit for the AP). Either way, Tieflings are explicitly.

WotR Player's Guide wrote:

Races: Outnumbered and facing an assault from evil outsiders, the crusade today has no compunctions regarding race when it comes to outfitting its forces. Able-bodied men and women from all races are welcome so long as they are willing to fight the good fight. At one time tieflings were distrusted and shunned, but now some of the fiend-blooded fight alongside aasimars while defending Mendev or striking against the horrors of the Worldwound. Many tiefling crusaders claim that their blood makes them the best suited to fighting demons, and they also have defenses that help them shrug off some of the demons’ deadliest attacks.

[Victor Zajic]

Sebastian Hirsch wrote:

Your character does not need to be born in Mendev, so you could circumvent this problem.

If this doesn’t work for you, just assume that your tiefling features are very minor.

However you should be warned, that being a tiefling will be very hard in this AP.

And yet somehow my Asmodean Tiefling managed to get promoted to general of the army of paladins you get in book 2. By the queen on Mendev.

The paladins aren't terribly happy about having to do what I say.

[Sebastian Hirsch]

Victor Zajic wrote:

Sebastian Hirsch wrote:

Your character does not need to be born in Mendev, so you could circumvent this problem.

If this doesn’t work for you, just assume that your tiefling features are very minor.

However you should be warned, that being a tiefling will be very hard in this AP.

And yet somehow my Asmodean Tiefling managed to get promoted to general of the army of paladins you get in book 2. By the queen on Mendev.

The paladins aren't terribly happy about having to do what I say.

Yes and I assume there could be a number of scenes in the adventure, where confused crusaders or commoners could mistake your character for an enemy. I would prefer not to discuss this further, since it is heavily dependant on the GM and an even greater SPOILER than you post... in threat where a player seemed to ask a question ...

[Unruly]

Personally, I allow a Tiefling version of the "Scion of Humanity" alternate trait. I see no reason why Aasimar should be allowed to have it and not Tieflings, when they're essentially the same thing but one is "good" and the other is "evil." It's really just an arbitrary difference between the races that has no good reason to exist, at least in my mind. I mean, why shouldn't Tieflings be allowed to have a distant demon ancestor that they get their abilities from? Why do they have to always be Rosemary's Baby or something similar?

Talk with your GM and see if they're willing to allow something like that. You lose your outsider-specific racial language, but you can pass as human and you count as both a native outsider and a humanoid, so you can benefit/suffer from spells like Enlarge Person/Dominate Person. In my mind it's a win-win for both player and GM. The player can be a Tiefling without being chased out of town, the GM doesn't have to play a bunch of racist a-hole NPCs, and the player opens himself up to a handful of beneficial and harmful spells that would otherwise be off the table for that character.