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much of the monster listed above sound like epic, I hope tha the rules for that don't late too much

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This thread amuses me, because so many people are going to be happy to be getting what they want in Bestiary 3 MUCH SOONER than if they had to wait for a theoretical Bestiary 4!


James Jacobs wrote:
This thread amuses me, because so many people are going to be happy to be getting what they want in Bestiary 3 MUCH SOONER than if they had to wait for a theoretical Bestiary 4!

So when do those previews start?

For my part, I mostly want more undead, and more monsters that make undead. Like demons that can create vampire spawn, or undead bat swarms that have been infected by vampirism and can create vampire spawn.

Basically, more stuff that creatures vampire spawn, wights, and ghouls, or stuff that creates templated zombies or skeletons.

What about a monster that is some kind of undead vermin that can animate bloody skeletons?

A negative-energy infused carrion-eating fire dragon (with negative energy affinity) that breaths fire and flaming skulls? (The flaming version of the Beheaded in the Haunting of Harrowstone bestiary.)

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James Jacobs wrote:
This thread amuses me, because so many people are going to be happy to be getting what they want in Bestiary 3 MUCH SOONER than if they had to wait for a theoretical Bestiary 4!

please please please let ugly/scary/alien celestials be in that subset

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Dragon78 wrote:
Fenrir- a CR23-25 version

I would figure a bit higher, since he literally eats the most powerful god.


Kthulhu wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
Fenrir- a CR23-25 version
I would figure a bit higher, since he literally eats the most powerful god.

So for the Mythic Bestiary then?


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Well once we get the Beastairy 3 we can revise our wishlist for this non existant product.

YawarFiesta, there is a MLP:FiM discution I started in the TV show section if your interested.

Shadow Lodge

YawarFiesta wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
Fenrir- a CR23-25 version
I would figure a bit higher, since he literally eats the most powerful god.
So for the Mythic Bestiary then?

More along the lines of plot device...not all threats HAVE to be defeatable in a head-on battle.

Personally, I would have a fight against Fenrir end the same way for a 900th level character as it would for a 1st level character...Fenrir rips their throat out.


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Humanoid rabbit playable race

Humanoid Mouse playable race

creatures from fairytales(ex:Rumplestiltskin, The Beast from Beauty and the beast, etc.)

More variant versions of Vampires

Jack o lantern

jack frost

Zmeu- Giant with the habbit of kidnapping young girls

Bugul Noz- extremely ugly but kind forest spirit

Urubus- giants who use huge arrows made of bronze

Deer woman- human deer hybrid

Winged serpint/flying snake

Empusa

Fir bolg

The four holy beast(Genbu, Byakko, Suzaku, and Seiryu) as CR 20 creatures.

More types of giant crabs, spiders, centipedes, scorpions, cocroachs, jellyfish

Swarms that are aberrations, constructs, magical beasts, fey, plants, elementals, or even dragons.


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Pun Pun!!!!!

j/k

Nilbog

Non-copyrighted variants of the Ushemoi. (And playable!!!)

Half-Ogre

Half-Dragon

Half-Linnorm

Half-Halfling (Quarterling?)

Tiny playable race

Race that becomes Large at certain class level?

Nondescript monster (You know the one ;) )

Hydra variants

More monsters that take more to kill than just 'Hit with stick until stops moving.'

Giant Badgers

Dragonwrought Kobolds

Gold coin-looking creatures that eat your other gold when you're not looking. (I don't remember what they're called.)

Creeping coins (MacAngband anyone? Anyone? *Chirp chirp*)

Were-Dolphin

There-Dolphin (There-castle)

Troll Vaiants

Nastier orcs (Uruk-Hai anyone?)

Ophiduan-like race the name of which doesn't sound dumb when you say it.

Aleax (Or something else that's strictly you but better, and if you win you get the 'better' part)

Definitely robots!!

More alien creatures

Living Spells

Living Constructs

Living undead (Maybe not :\ )

That's all I can think of right not without getting silly (Dire Gazebo)


Ogrekin are already in the Bestiary 2. So "half-ogres" are already accounted for.


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On occasion Paizo has snuck some pretty awesome monsters into an adventure or module without actually giving it a full write up in the appendix. Some examples that would make great Bestiary entries:

Organ Swarm from J1 - Undead swarm of organs, ick!
Hungry Mist from E2 - Incopreal Undead Swarm, why wasn't this in the first Bestiary?!?
Elemental Swarm from S1 - There should be four and should be able to be summoned!


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Golems made of living wood/plants(made by elves or fey).

Creatures made of light, sound , or thought.

Creatures made of energy(not fire, cold, electricity, or acid).

Living spells or creatures made of magical energy.

Creatures that can channel positive energy like a cleric.

More creatures that have magical singing, dancing, or musical instrumints powers.

Monsters with spellcasting and/or class abilities of Alchemist, Oracles, or Witches.

More Dragon and Fey types as Familiars. maybe monstrous humaniod or plant type familiars.

Oozes that are intelligant, have spell like or supernatural powers

A CR20+ Fey, monstrous humaniod, and Elemental creature(s)

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Cronopio dentiacutus!


Dragnmoon wrote:
Cronopio dentiacutus!

Scrat!


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Creatures from the APs I like to see in this product if they are not in the Beastairy 3:

1)Harriden
2)Kuchrima
3)Beatific One
4)Rakshas Maharajah
5)Mobogo
6)Deep Crow
7)Brass Golem
8)Haniver Gremlin
9)Giant Rot Grub
10)Rot Grub Swarm
11)Giant Stymphalides
12)Vouvre
13)Tatzl Wyrm
14)Carbuncle
15)Hodag
16)Troll Hound
17)Blodeuwedd
18)Poluda
19)Fungus Leshy
20)Ankou
21)Shrik Nettle
22)Zomok
23)Grodair
24)Giant Sea Urchin
25)Chemosit
26)Springheeled Jack
27)Medusa Head
28)Flaming Skull
29)Werebat
30)Aspidochelone
31)Behemith
32)Gigas
33)Simurgh
34)Buraq
35)Royal Naga
36)Stygira
37)Calathgar
38)Nuckelavee
39)Dweomor Cat
40)Ukobach Devil
41)Miengu
42)Bone Idol
43)Jade Idol
44)Stone Idol
45)Wood Idol
46)Ahuizotl
47)Giant Eurypterid
48)Boruta
49)Drekavac
50)Living Topiary

Andoran

A lot of cool monsters, especially zomok, but isn't that a waste of space?


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Monsters in the Beastairy 2 like the Attic Whisperer, Lyrakied Azata, Banshee, Chubacabra, Giant Cockroach, Belier Devil, Devilfish, Umbral Dragon, Forest Drake, Faceless Stalker, Fungul Crawler, Tiaga Giant, Carrion Golem, Gremlins(Jinkin, Pugwampi, Vexgit), Gug, Akata, Hound of Tindalos, Lamia Matriarch, Moonflower, Mothman, Peryton, Imentesh/Naunet Proteons, Redcap, Revenant, Reefclaw, and Shining Child were in the APs before the Beastairy 2. So I do not see those as a waste of space.


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For those of you who played 2nd edition do you remember: Azmyth(bat), Night hunter(bat), Sinister(bat), Broken one, Gorgimera, Elven cat, Crabman, Deepspawn, Eye wing, Feyr, Firebolg, Doll Golem, Bone Golem, Snappersaw(plant), Thornslinger(plant), Shedu, Winged snake, Sprite, Sea sprite, Su-monster, Swanmay, Tabaxi, Tako, Thought Eater, Brain mole, Leviathan, Living wall, Zaratan


Dragon78 wrote:
For those of you who played 2nd edition do you remember: Azmyth(bat), Night hunter(bat), Sinister(bat), Broken one, Gorgimera, Elven cat, Crabman, Deepspawn, Eye wing, Feyr, Firebolg, Doll Golem, Bone Golem, Snappersaw(plant), Thornslinger(plant), Shedu, Winged snake, Sprite, Sea sprite, Su-monster, Swanmay, Tabaxi, Tako, Thought Eater, Brain mole, Leviathan, Living wall, Zaratan

I never liked 2nd ed, but was a big fan of 0ed (Basic) and 1e. I remember some of those from the classic adventure modules.

My list:

Angels, All 9 orders of angels (Seraphim, Cherubim, Ophanim, Dominions, Virtues, Powers, Principalities, Archangels, and Angels)
Boggart/Buggane
Bonnacon (real folklore monster, you have to look this up to believe it)
Cat-folk
Cat, Cheshire
Changeling (mythological)
Clockwork-folk (different types based on Platonic solids)
Cyborgs (like Tin Man from the Wizard of Oz)
Dragons, Gem (Are these IP? Amethyst, Diamond, Sapphire, etc)
Dragons, True (more of these, for example: Orange, Purple, Yellow, Nickel, Iron, Mercury)
Dragons, Primal (more of these)
Drop Bear
Elemental Weird (if not IP)
Erlking
Fetch
Fox-Folk
Giants, gargantuan and colossal
Golem, Bubble
Golem, Vegetable
Hawk-Folk Race that can fly
Hoop Snake
Jackalope
Linnorms (more of these)
Lycanthrope, Swan (Swanmaiden)
Mantis-folk
Mara
Monopod
Phooka
Sasquatch
Sea Scorpion
Sidhe
Squirrel-folk
Tatzlwurm
Vampire Roses
Wild Hunt
Velociraptor Swarm (the small-sized ones)
More creatures from the Frank L. Baum’s Oz books
More creatures from Wonderland/Through the Looking Glass
More Tane! They sound interesting and I want to see more.
More Rules and templates for making even more advanced creatures

In general, keep up the good work! I like what you have done so far.


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The Catfolk are already in the Beastairy 3.

Bigfoot has been said to be in the Beastairy 3

Sea scorpions are in the first issue of serpants skull.

They have said that there aren't going to be any more Primal dragons or any more true dragons. They said that 5 for each type of true dragon(metalic, chromatic, imperial, primal) is enough.

The gem dragons are IP.

Mantis folk, how about "she-mantis"?

Kitsune are foxfolk.

Squirrel folk(Kercpa) would be nice.

The Tatzl wyrm may or may not have made it into the Beastairy 3.

I agree about Sidhe, Phooka, Wild hunt, Drop bear, Jackolobe, Swanmay, Cheshire cat, Boggart, and Vampire roses.

More Tanes in Beastairy 3.

More Linnorms in Beastairy 3(Cairn, Fyord, Tor, and Taiga) and in the Jade regent AP part 2(Gare).

Wich kind of Elemtal weirds? If they are the female elemtal versions are IP.


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Evil Midnight Lurker wrote:

Because it's almost certainly too late for Bestiary 3. :)

To start: Recent discussion of ghost ships indicates that there's a niche for skeletons and zombies that, while not necessarily any tougher than standard issue, retain skill ranks and can be commanded to perform profession- and maybe even craft-related tasks. Sailor dead, that sort of thing. (Could easily be a variant, just a couple of paragraphs in the back of the book.)

I'm assuming we'll see demodands sometime soon, but... there have only ever been three kinds, and the other fiends keep getting additions to their ranks, so... New demodands please!

RPG Superstar monsters. The Hunger that Moves deserves an official writeup!

Err... have they posted the full contents of Bestiary 3 yet (I know that some is known)? Might be nice to know this before the wish list for 4... of course that means some people might get their wish early! Christmas wishes :)


Dragon78 wrote:

The Catfolk are already in the Beastairy 3.

Bigfoot has been said to be in the Beastairy 3

Huzzah!

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Sea scorpions are in the first issue of serpants skull.

I don't use the Golarion campaign setting, so I'll have to keep hoping it shows up in Bestiary 4.

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They have said that there aren't going to be any more Primal dragons or any more true dragons. They said that 5 for each type of true dragon(metalic, chromatic, imperial, primal) is enough.

:( Well, at least they can still do other types of dragons.

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The gem dragons are IP.

What if we call them "jewel dragons"? :)

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Mantis folk, how about "she-mantis"?

Sorry, I don't get it.

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Kitsune are foxfolk.

Are they in bestiary 3?

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Squirrel folk(Kercpa) would be nice.

I was thinking Phanatons.

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The Tatzl wyrm may or may not have made it into the Beastairy 3.

I hope it did.

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I agree about Sidhe, Phooka, Wild hunt, Drop bear, Jackolobe, Swanmay, Cheshire cat, Boggart, and Vampire roses.

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More Tanes in Beastairy 3.

Huzzah!

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More Linnorms in Beastairy 3(Cairn, Fyord, Tor, and Taiga) and in the Jade regent AP part 2(Gare).

W00t for Bestiary 3! I'll hope for the others to be reprinted in Bestiary 4.

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Wich kind of Elemtal weirds? If they are the female elemtal versions are IP.

Really? It seems to me to be a folklore/mythology thing. Maybe I'm wrong.


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The Kitsune is not in the Beastairy 3, it is in the Dragon empire primer and maybe some stuff in the gazetter.

I would like to see the old school version of the water weird.

The She-mantis is a creature that is a giant praying mantis like creature that can take human form. There is a version of this creature in the Buffy the vampire slayer series and also in some video games.


Teenage mutant ninja dragon disciple sorcerers.

Oh and more critters that draw from myths and legends.


Dragon78 wrote:

Cerebus a CR20-24 version

Ladon- the sleepless dragon that guards the golden apples

Argus- hundred eyed giant

Gogmagog- giant of british myth but could be a race of giants

Nemean lion- lion with invulnerable hide

Teumessian fox-a fox destined never to be caught

Fenrir- a CR23-25 version

some egyptian style monsters

Voydanoi-aquatic fey that look like old men with greenish beards and covered in algae.

Animal lords

Time lords

I wonder if you were putting time lord there as a joke. But one of these days (many years from now) I would like to see a really good time travel adventure that deals with the history of Golarion. But that takes time.


James Jacobs wrote:
This thread amuses me, because so many people are going to be happy to be getting what they want in Bestiary 3 MUCH SOONER than if they had to wait for a theoretical Bestiary 4!

that why I wait for my wishlist till I have the bestiary 3 in hands


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Yeah it is way too early for this wishlist but it is fun anyway and it is not like we can't update our wishlists when the Beastairy 3 is out.

Silver Crusade

Kangaroos and other things from Down Under, a toy dog template

Playable dogfolk, playable dinosaur folk, playable roofolk, playable dolphinfolk...

A bunch of critters, you know squirrels, bunnies, and that sorta stuff


Elder Vampire and Elder Lich (different thing than a Demilich) as templates that work with rules similar to the ones presented in DiceFreaks (in particular, look to the "Salient Abilities" posts).

And perhaps Elder... Nightshades, Elementals, Aberrations and something else.


Mystic_Snowfang wrote:
Kangaroos and other things from Down Under,

Bunyips! And Tasmanian Tigers.


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Astral Wanderer wrote:

Elder Vampire and Elder Lich (different thing than a Demilich) as templates that work with rules similar to the ones presented in DiceFreaks (in particular, look to the "Salient Abilities" posts).

And perhaps Elder... Nightshades, Elementals, Aberrations and something else.

+1

Basically, more templates aimed at high-level creatures. These would be for turning powerful creatures into unique, very powerful creatures.

Think the epic Paragon and Pseudonatural templates, the Dicefreaks templates for advanced undead, the Evolved Undead template, a multi-headed template, and the like.

Note that I've been saying for ages that an updated Savage Species would be handy, but not from the sense of PC monsters, from the sense of the number of tools it had for the GM that haven't been repeated since.


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The Bunyip is in the Beastairy 2.

Kangaroos and Drop Bears would be nice.

Grand Lodge

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All the Kyuss creatures and templates.

Shadow Lodge

Olmac wrote:
All the Kyuss creatures and templates.

Pretty sure that's all WotC IP.


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I only remember one creature of Kyuss and maybe one template.

More Proteons

Some CR20+(and some CR15-19) Fey, Elementals, Monstrous Humaions, and Oozes.

Elder Vampires


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Ironic thing is that about half of the silly monsters people are posting are very simple to homebrew.

1) Arcane Infused or Arcane Warped creatures (guess like the spellwarped template but with more options).

2) How about a brain-eating playable race? I think we all know how to apply a spell list, telepathy and a fishhead with tentacles.

3) Maybe a Nautilus-like vehicle using many of Ultimate Combat's rules but its a living creature with stats as well.

4) All kinds of scalyfolks, such as dragons, linnorns, drakes, etc.

5) Many more dinosaurs. (second thought put this at the top of my wishlist)

6) I'd love to see some Anthropormorphic races, covering some oriental flavours since Ultimate Combat contained a taste. (anime goodness)

7) More elementals

8) More animated creatures like the mimic.

9) Soulbound Objects that changes type to contruct instead of undead(suit of armour anyone?)

10) Power-Suits or Warforged like race

11) TANE!!!!!! We've waited long enough for more.

12) More unique Oozes and a few good Aberrations

13) Fey that dont suck and reach mid-to-high cr instead of most being CR 1-3 and More plants . Think primitive Deepsea plants that would horrify you, rare flowers that shoot mental stat-draining poison barbs, prehistoric dinosaur eating plants, maybe one that hangs on the underside of cliffs that grab anything that falls off (like giant pitcher plants with some tentacles to drag those near them in to drown them)(plants and fey are vastly underrated in my oppinion)


edduardco wrote:

I want see an undead that retains the powers of when he was alive and can be reanimated with create undead, like the bone and corpse creature from the book of the vile darkness

the Nosferatu that is an evolution of a vampire like the Demilich to a Lich

Oops I posted this post in the wrong topic, it suits better here:

My creature wish-list for future monster-manuals (bestairys)

- Stinger / Scorpionfolk
- Metalmaster / Swordslug (the giant slug that controls magnetizm)
- Zorbo or Skindancer (but not like a koala-bear, more like a wolverine-version, do something original with this thing for a change :p )
- Gravorg (I actually wanna see some cool art for these guys)
- Julajimus (freaky babboon lizards that can pose as cute little animals to lure children are a must, can replace the copyrighted Su Monsters)
- Deepspawn (One of the best D&D monsters of all time)
- Morkoth (Another classic! But needs a rework)
- Hook Horror
- Marrashi (the flying gnoll disease spreaders)
- Dharculus (Something like an hydra-moray-eel)
- Myconid or other toadstool people.
- Bombardier Beetle (best of beetles, most options to become cool)
- Crimson Death
- Boneyard (or any other bone-elemental kind of creature that changes forms and is made out of many different bones)
- Vampire Rose (but better, not a small rose bush but a true horrid creature.)
- Mantis and Wasp monsters, and less spiders.
- Antaeus from greek mythology.

- I also have the sollution of the Beholder-lacking problem, just re-style the ARGUS from Greek mythology, like you did with Charybdis, in this way you can have a Beholder named Argus, which is a much better name than beholder anyway.

Hope to see these original and fun monsters in your books soon, i'm really surpised nobody used the Zorbo yet, its the most orginal creature like ever... Absorbing Man eat your heart out!


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I would prefer to see Argus as a Giant with many eys like in the myth not the alien ameoba like creatutre from 2nd edition.

I am sure that wizards owns the rights to the Morkoth, Zorbo, Gravorg, Hook Horror, Deepspawn, and Metal Master/Sword Slug.

I would like a Bone Golem myself.

The Bombardier Beetle is in the first Beastiary.

The Fungus Leshy is like the Myconid.

I saw a really great pic of a female scorpion folk if you look at the "ask James Jacobs" section someone posted a link.


Dragon78 wrote:

I would prefer to see Argus as a Giant with many eys like in the myth not the alien ameoba like creatutre from 2nd edition.

I am sure that wizards owns the rights to the Morkoth, Zorbo, Gravorg, Hook Horror, Deepspawn, and Metal Master/Sword Slug.

I would like a Bone Golem myself.

The Bombardier Beetle is in the first Beastiary.

The Fungus Leshy is like the Myconid.

I saw a really great pic of a female scorpion folk if you look at the "ask James Jacobs" section someone posted a link.

If you ask me they only copyrighted a few creatures, Displacer Beast, Carrion Crawler, Umber Hulk, Mind Flayer, Beholder and few others, not the more unknow creatures, why the Mimic, Bulette and Aboleth aren't copyrighted then?

The Bombardier beetle is not in the first Bestairy, those are fire beetles and stag beetles... the Fungus Leshy is cool, Bone Golems are not like Boneyards at all, Boneyards are shapeshifting undead that can take the form of boney dragons, human armies and giant serpents (and much more) Bone Golems are just another boring golem in my opinion, nothing special and nothing more than a larger version of the normal Skeleton Warrior...


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The Bombardier Beetle is a simple template for the stag beetle if you read the part near the bottom.

All monsters not based from myth are owned by wizards if they are in any monster manual/beastairy other then the first one with a few exeptions in ether monster manual 2 or Fiend Folio. If you really want to know just ask James Jacobs in the "ask James Jacobs" section.

Bone Golems are only boring if you have no imagination and besides Paizo's version would have some interesting abilities I am sure.


Dragon78 wrote:

The Bombardier Beetle is a simple template for the stag beetle if you read the part near the bottom.

All monsters not based from myth are owned by wizards if they are in any monster manual/beastairy other then the first one with a few exeptions in ether monster manual 2 or Fiend Folio. If you really want to know just ask James Jacobs in the "ask James Jacobs" section.

Bone Golems are only boring if you have no imagination and besides Paizo's version would have some interesting abilities I am sure.

No Imagination? I just don't like 10.000 different dragon species, 30.000 kinds of golems and 60.000 kinds of goblins. A few of each is good enough for me.

For example I really like Goblin - Bugbear - Barghest line-up but Hobgoblins are at no use for me, I simply use their behavior for capturing wild animals and war-like spirits on the Bugbear, as 3 goblin species is enough for me.

I like Iron Golems, Stone Golems, Flesh Golems and maybe 3 more kinds of golems, but Bone Golems are just larger skeletons in most monster books or games, so I stopped liking them, I rather see a bizarre new undead creaturs such as the Boneyard/Necronaut.

EDIT And about the Bombardier Beetle, i'm not really a fan of the D&D version of this beetle that just used the real-life beetle but 200 times bigger... I rather see a new unique version of the Bombardier beetle, something that shoots magical, sticky, acid or elemental bombs for example.

Silver Crusade

I'd like to see Leviathan and Ziz to keep the Behemoth company

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After seeing this I'm even more eager for Bestiary 3 to hit. There's going to be a lot to cross off this wishlist. ;)

The Slender Man wrote:

feels that the next bestiary should contain stats for children and their initiative modifiers when on playgrounds

assures that this is just an academic exercise

Creeeeepy. 0_0

(Not a bad idea though)

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Sincubus wrote:
- I also have the sollution of the Beholder-lacking problem, just re-style the ARGUS from Greek mythology, like you did with Charybdis, in this way you can have a Beholder named Argus, which is a much better name than beholder anyway.

We don't really have a "Beholder-lacking problem." There at the very beginning of Pathfinder there was a bit of an adjustment period and we mourned some of the IP closed to us, but in the interim, it just stopped being an issue. I don't regret not being able to use beholders or mindflayers any more than I regret not being able to use Terminators, Xenomorphs, or Pokemon. And really, if you look around out there, you can find Pathfinder versions of many of these monsters done up by enthusiastic monster makers.

Really, the monster well is SO deep with creature from folklore, fiction, mythology, public domain works, and so on that our game and design choices have weathered the loss of a few nostalgia pieces just fine. I also have absolutely no interest in publishing the Go-Bots version of any of WotC's Transformers. I just don't think we need to. I think our own offerings and innovations have their own potential to be fondly remembered (and eagerly updated) in decades to come (Quotes from the Future: "Remember the Proteans! I loved those guys" "How about the gremlins and leshys?" "Oh, urdefens were my favorites.")

On the other side of this coin, I LOVE doing tie-ins and some companies and creatives have been AWESOME in letting us do Pathfinder write-ups for their various works. The estate of A.E. Van Vogt was generous to let us write up the coeurl (the inspiration for the displacer beast) while the guys from Penny Arcade helped us do the deep crow, both back in Second Darkness. Chaosium also gave us the okay to do up a number of their proprietary Lovecraftian horors in Carrion Crown. And, to bring this full circle, the estate of Robert E. Howard let me keep my favorite monster from one of the scariest stories in the English language in Bestiary 3.

So I'm much more excited to see new things in our rules and content from stories our staff are giant fans of then dwell too long on closed doors.

(All of this said, Argus [and some other giant Greek figures] has been on my monster To-Do list for some time now, so don't be surprised if GMs with a thing for many-eyed monstrosities do get some love down the line here. But when you do see him, expect us to lean strongly toward classical interpretations.)


If one really wanted a blob-like multi-eyed monster with eye beams, the logical thing would be to use the actually-released-in-SRD Gibbering Orb, instead of the definitely-under-copyright-by-law-even-if-not-declared-Product-Identity AD&D argos.


see wrote:
If one really wanted a blob-like multi-eyed monster with eye beams, the logical thing would be to use the actually-released-in-SRD Gibbering Orb, instead of the definitely-under-copyright-by-law-even-if-not-declared-Product-Identity AD&D argos.

I never meant Argos from D&D, more the ARgus monster from greek mythology.

I kinda dislike the true-giant-with-many-eyes version from mythology, I would like it more like a different beholder-like creature as that cuts one more humanoid and giant figure. :p


Sincubus wrote:
edduardco wrote:

I want see an undead that retains the powers of when he was alive and can be reanimated with create undead, like the bone and corpse creature from the book of the vile darkness

the Nosferatu that is an evolution of a vampire like the Demilich to a Lich

Oops I posted this post in the wrong topic, it suits better here:

My creature wish-list for future monster-manuals (bestairys)

- Stinger / Scorpionfolk
- Metalmaster / Swordslug (the giant slug that controls magnetizm)
- Zorbo or Skindancer (but not like a koala-bear, more like a wolverine-version, do something original with this thing for a change :p )
- Gravorg (I actually wanna see some cool art for these guys)
- Julajimus (freaky babboon lizards that can pose as cute little animals to lure children are a must, can replace the copyrighted Su Monsters)
- Deepspawn (One of the best D&D monsters of all time)
- Morkoth (Another classic! But needs a rework)
- Hook Horror
- Marrashi (the flying gnoll disease spreaders)
- Dharculus (Something like an hydra-moray-eel)
- Myconid or other toadstool people.
- Bombardier Beetle (best of beetles, most options to become cool)
- Crimson Death
- Boneyard (or any other bone-elemental kind of creature that changes forms and is made out of many different bones)
- Vampire Rose (but better, not a small rose bush but a true horrid creature.)
- Mantis and Wasp monsters, and less spiders.
- Antaeus from greek mythology.

- I also have the sollution of the Beholder-lacking problem, just re-style the ARGUS from Greek mythology, like you did with Charybdis, in this way you can have a Beholder named Argus, which is a much better name than beholder anyway.

Hope to see these original and fun monsters in your books soon, i'm really surpised nobody used the Zorbo yet, its the most orginal creature like ever... Absorbing Man eat your heart out!

OK, how did they manage to copyright the Su? I remember reading a book about cryptids / mythologicals from the late 60's in which, a telepathic/precognative primate from Indonesia / Malaysia refered to as the Su (no monster, just Su) was discussed. The evidence produced as proof of it's exisitence (a body) turned out to have been an albino Orangutan with a severe case of something akin to Mange. Also, similare creatures were used in several pulps in the 30's, albeit with different names.

Also how about an undead that absorbs / merges with other undead of the same type sort of a zombie-Voltron?

Or a critter akin to Deadlands's 'Glom?

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Leo_Negri wrote:
OK, how did they manage to copyright the Su? I remember reading a book about cryptids / mythologicals from...

I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has a link on this.


Well, there's the Patagonian sú or succarath, but I've never heard of an Indonesian one.

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