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Shadow Lodge

Haven't seen this pop up in a while. Is Sincubus ok ?

:P


Kthulhu wrote:

Haven't seen this pop up in a while. Is Sincubus ok ?

:P

No one's posted something that he hates so I guess there's no reason to post ;)

I meant that with all the love one anonymous tentacle dog can have for another anonymous human :)


I know, I answered a question for him and I am surprised he hasn't posted back about it.

More Fey because since less then 50 types out of 1000+ monsters means there "oversaturated" with them;)

no more gunslinger monsters, one is enough. but more Numerian/alien type creatures would be nice.

A lot less humaniod undead but more animal or non humaniod based undead.

We will get more Dinosaurs, no one has to ask for that one. Now if someone wants to be more specific about what kind then they should speak up.


As someone who has managed to wade through this entire thread (and the 3rd bestiary thread), I find myself endlessly amused how every few pages someone requests Dragonborn, even though the developers have stated how much they hate them :P

as far as "gunslinger monsters", one undead over the course of 3 books hardly seems like much. Although the only other gunslinger type monster I can think of would be the Fext, a undead/immortal sniper/soldier from Eastern Europe who could only be killed by a glass bullet. IIRC, several prominent military figures from World War One were assumed to be Fexts after several failed assassination attempts. Guns are really a bit too recent an item to have developed much bestiary relevant folklore/literary creations.


Why the Dragonborn hate? And yes I get they can't use Dragonborn 'the name' I don't see why they can't engineer a knockoff. I built one with the ARG and they are quite even all things said.

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Hey, the fext sounds pretty cool. We'd probably never see one in an adventure path unless it's an Alkenstar one.


Dragon78 wrote:
more animal or non humaniod based undead.

Especially the creepy "alien" ones.


A template for Simulacrums.


Oh no I don't personally have dragonborn hate, but the designers have stated they have no interest in ever doing a playable humanoid dragon race, as they feel it cheapens the impact of dragons when you have one in your adventuring party.

This comes from James Jacobs at least, but I am pretty sure either/both Eric Mona and Wesley Schneider have said something similar

If we do get a Dragonborn type race, my guess is that it will be high CR, rare, and not appropriate for a player race. Until then you will have to settle for home-brewed or the Wyvaran sample race from the ARG (which I suspect might not get much in the way of future development)

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For what it's worth, I agree with James on this subject.


Adam Daigle wrote:
For what it's worth, I agree with James on this subject.

What if you guys gave it the same treatment like you did the aasimar and tiefling? I mean, making them have more human features but with draconic traits that are less prominent than the dragonborn and more than the draconic races in 3.5 Dragon Magic? What would you guys think of this post?


Well there is the spellscales, they didn't get much coverage outside of one book, but they could work wonders.


MMCJawa wrote:

Oh no I don't personally have dragonborn hate, but the designers have stated they have no interest in ever doing a playable humanoid dragon race, as they feel it cheapens the impact of dragons when you have one in your adventuring party.

This comes from James Jacobs at least, but I am pretty sure either/both Eric Mona and Wesley Schneider have said something similar

If we do get a Dragonborn type race, my guess is that it will be high CR, rare, and not appropriate for a player race. Until then you will have to settle for home-brewed or the Wyvaran sample race from the ARG (which I suspect might not get much in the way of future development)

OR as the foottroops of the azis


I like the idea of a dragon race being like Aasiamr and Tiefling and be human(and/or dwarf, elf, Halfling, etrc.) in apperance with some dragon like traits. Kind of like Daenerys from Game of Thrones, some look almost completely human while others may not.

I really would like to see a Fey touched race that were like Aasimar/Tiefling and could vey wildley in looks and even abilities but also has a soul and can be raised from the dead.

Also some plant creatures like the pod people from invasion of the body snatchers would be nice. and if we could get something closer then the moonflower to Audrey II that would be cool.

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Odraude wrote:
Adam Daigle wrote:
For what it's worth, I agree with James on this subject.
What if you guys gave it the same treatment like you did the aasimar and tiefling? I mean, making them have more human features but with draconic traits that are less prominent than the dragonborn and more than the draconic races in 3.5 Dragon Magic? What would you guys think of this post?

It's a cool idea, it's just that it's not a great fit for Golarion. Granted, the Bestiaries are part of our RPG line, thus are pretty much setting neutral, but dragon people just don't have a bunch of champions here in the office.

Also, like hellharliquin said, you can't forget the azis! :)


Speaking of Azi's, it would certainly be nice if they could make an appearance within Bestiary 4 :)

I generally don't think a dragon humanoid race (whether they be dragon-lite or like the dragonborn) would fit in well within Golarion as established. BUT they would be perfect for Triaxus, given the influence dragons have there.


Azi?


Who/what are Azi?

Since this is a wish list for Bestiary 4, not everything will need to have a home in Golorian since this line is setting neutral and some of us like to home brew so the more things that have stats the less work for us. So why would it be so bad to have some of these races?

Some jester/clown type monsters would be nice. Maybe other creatures that would be fun for a circus of evil.

A supernatural creature(fey or outsider) that is like the pied piper does good unless you do not pay him/go back on your word and takes all the children of your village/town to the first world(or some other dimension, so with a alignment of N, CN, or LN.

Some fairytale based creatures and monsters like a template for Beast(monstrous humaniod), fey like Rumplestiltskin, Swanmay would make a good swan princess, a cursed template for other strange characters from these stores, etc.


Azi - just look here

http://pathfinder.wikia.com/wiki/Azi


Oh you guys were talking about those dragons from the Legacy of Fire AP.


MMCJawa wrote:

Azi - just look here

http://pathfinder.wikia.com/wiki/Azi

I hope that "unholy union" doesn't mean what I hope it doesn't mean.

Also because it would pain me to think about who of the two birthed the offspring.


Dragua-albanian myth-a dragon with four legs, wings, one horn, lives in the forest, cannot be seen unless it wants to be.

Winged serpents-tiny size magical beast(CR2) one that can be taken as a famliar with the improved familiar feat, also small, medium, and maybe large size variaties but with different abilities

Guivres-serpant like dragons that have poisonous breaths and poison the waters they live in wich are more commonly wells, lakes, and streams.

The four guardian spirits(each CR20) wich are Genbu/Xuanwu(earth) the black Tortoise of the north(with a snake/dragon's head for a tail), Byakko/Baihu(air) the white tiger of the west, Suzaku/Zhuque(fire) the vermilion bird of the south, and Seiryu/Qinglong(water) the Azure dragon of the east.


I like everything you just said good sir.


No announcement yet if 2013 will see Bestiary 4. However, apparently the Mythic Rules book will have monsters

2 confirmed hardbacks (Ultimate Campaign and the Mythic Rules), and one strongly hinted hardback on deities suggests we might not get a dedicated Bestiary 4 in 2013 (IMHO). Although maybe at least two hardcovers might have monsters in them.


I gues if we do get a Bestiary 4 next year it will be the last hardcover book of 2013. Wow that is a long time to wait and the Innersea Bestiary, even though interesting, will not be able to keep me interested for long before I need a major monster fix. Darn NPC Guide, couldn't wait one more year to come out, I mean the whole reason I became a subscriber was to get to see the next bestiary early.


Dragon78 wrote:
I gues if we do get a Bestiary 4 next year it will be the last hardcover book of 2013. Wow that is a long time to wait and the Innersea Bestiary, even though interesting, will not be able to keep me interested for long before I need a major monster fix. Darn NPC Guide, couldn't wait one more year to come out, I mean the whole reason I became a subscriber was to get to see the next bestiary early.

Well Bestiaries have come out fairly late in the year so I'm not surprised. And I thought the Inner Sea Bestiary was going to have a decent-size menagerie of monsters?


The Innersea Bestiary will have roughly 46 monsters in it wich isn't bad but would take like 5-7 of these books to equal a hardcover Bestiary.So it wouldn't keep me busy nearly as long plus no(or very few) creatures from real world myth, cryptids, Mythos, new true dragon species, etc. The only real advantage that the Innersea Bestiary will have is that you will be getting campaign specific monsters, like Lashunta, Rovagug's spawn, Numerian machines, etc., that you will not get in a world neutral book like a hardcover bestiary. Personely I wish they kept doing hardcover bestiaries each year till like the 4th or 5th book then start doing other things. I wonder how many post this wishlist will get by the time this book might actually come out.


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I would prefer one every year as well, but from a business prospective it's probably a sound decision. A new bestiary every year risks consumer fatigue, and removes one slot from their available hardcovers they do every year. Plus if they have to produce 300+ new monsters a year for the book, PLUS all the monsters in the APs and CS line, quality might drop off.


Oh I just watched a show about the European "middle ages". It seems the people with no heads and faces in their chests was kind of a big deal. I can't recall ever seeing anything like that in D&D or Pathfinder though.

Also seeing as how Paizo is based in Cascadia I would have expected to see the tree octopus by now.


I would have loved getting 5 hardcover Bestiaries in row and then take 2-3 years off. They have enough monsters to put in at least 2 more bestiaries if you count every creature unused from the APs, modules, and other softcover books plus all the creatures from myth, classic literature, and cryptids. I do understand why they did it but it doesn't mean I have to like it. Maybe if the Innersea Bestiary sells well enough we will get a Distant Worlds and/or Tian Xia Bestiary.

I am sure there are all kinds of interesting untapped creatures in those middle age/dark age bestiaries.


I'm not that bothered by the lack of a Bestiary 4. The law of diminishing returns really showed started showing in Monster Manual 4 and 5, and while I doubt it'd be quite that bad in Pathfinder, since even with the monthly Adventure Path bestiaries and regular new monsters in the Campaign Setting and Module lines, I don't think there's as many new monsters each month in Pathfinder as there were in D&D 3.5, I still think a slowed down tempo of Bestiary publishing can only be good for the game.

Edit: Yuck! Parse that run-on sentence and smoke it!

Shadow Lodge

I'd like to see every monster from the SRD represented eventually. Of course, the ELH monsters would have to wait for the Mythic Rules book, and the EPH monsters would have to wait for Paizo to decide if they want to do a psionics book or not...but other than that, if they are available, why NOT give them Pathfinder stats?

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Kthulhu wrote:
I'd like to see every monster from the SRD represented eventually. Of course, the ELH monsters would have to wait for the Mythic Rules book, and the EPH monsters would have to wait for Paizo to decide if they want to do a psionics book or not...but other than that, if they are available, why NOT give them Pathfinder stats?

Because...

1) Paizo thinks they're silly and haven't found a good idea to re-invent them yet (Ethereal Marauder/Filcher)
2) They're a part of Secret Plan 34 (Formians)

I don't think I missed anything of importance.

Dark Archive

Arikiel wrote:
Also seeing as how Paizo is based in Cascadia I would have expected to see the tree octopus by now.

Oh yes!


How about adding a Creature entry for the new races in the Advanced Race Guide (in the last chapter), with flavor text and stats. I know they're in the ARG, but wouldn't they get more attention if they were in a bestiary ?

Oh, and I'm still militating for a colossal train-like construct. Come on, it could serve as a mount/transport, a battleground AND a monster. It doesn't get any awesome than that ^_^


Paizo isn't wizards of the cost, Kajehase, the quality will still be there. In fact the quality for any monster book after the first one dropped for wizards, each one getting worst then the last.


I didn't even realize there was a MM4 and 5 until a month ago...

Shadow Lodge

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Gorbacz wrote:
1) Paizo thinks they're silly and haven't found a good idea to re-invent them yet (Ethereal Marauder/Filcher)

Dude....flumph. Just sayin'. If they can spend 6 pages redeeming that thing with mostly positive results, then no monster is too silly.


Wisdom


I think Paizo will produce higher quality later bestiaries than WOTC, although I think that has a lot to do with their different approaches. WOTC (especially post 4E) has concentrated more on novel creatures, and I think has always had a more "meta" approach to creature design, i.e. monsters that don't make as much sense other than in a "exploit a player's assumption/work off some sort of super specific rule/in game joke". Inventing something novel has a much greater chance of backfiring unfortunately

Paizo mostly tries to emulate folklore, pop-culture, and classic fiction. So there creatures have already sort of passed the "coolness" test.

Anyway, between the present bestiaries and Tome of Horrors (and excluding epic level/psionic monsters), there can't be too many creature left in the SRD to stat up? Has anyone made a list?

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JiCi wrote:
Oh, and I'm still militating for a colossal train-like construct. Come on, it could serve as a mount/transport, a battleground AND a monster. It doesn't get any awesome than that ^_^

They wouldn't even need to create it from scratch; it already exists as Open Game Content.


Epic Meepo wrote:
JiCi wrote:
Oh, and I'm still militating for a colossal train-like construct. Come on, it could serve as a mount/transport, a battleground AND a monster. It doesn't get any awesome than that ^_^
They wouldn't even need to create it from scratch; it already exists as Open Game Content.

Oh, it's up ! Totally forgot about that ! My apologies Meepo, my memory played tricks on me. I'll try to correct that.

Silver Crusade

MMCJawa wrote:

No announcement yet if 2013 will see Bestiary 4. However, apparently the Mythic Rules book will have monsters

2 confirmed hardbacks (Ultimate Campaign and the Mythic Rules), and one strongly hinted hardback on deities suggests we might not get a dedicated Bestiary 4 in 2013 (IMHO). Although maybe at least two hardcovers might have monsters in them.

Ooh links to the hinted at deities book? I missed that.

Liberty's Edge

Large bear animal companion.


James Jacobs drops some hints to a hardcover in this thread:

http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz65uj?AP-Deity-Articles

Silver Crusade

MMCJawa wrote:

James Jacobs drops some hints to a hardcover in this thread:

http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz65uj?AP-Deity-Articles

Cheers!

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Yeah that might be what he is talking about and it wouldn't surprise me if we do the Bestiary 4 at the end of next year. But that isn't a reason to get too exited, that is more then a year away.

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In terms of New World monsters... The Nain Rouge of detroit: a small, red furred fae gnome-ish thing that acts as a harbinger of doom.

Also: A cheshire cat. I love the Tane in the previous beastiaries, and while I wouldn't think the Cheshire Cat would be one of them (not nearly powerful enough), I think Paizo could make it awesome.


I think they said the Cheshire Cat wouldn't be a Tane but I would also like to see him as a magical beast with a range CR8-13.

The Black Dog/Hound of ill omen would be nice.

Grendal and his mother.

Monster under the bed/hidden in the closet type creature like monster's Inc, Little Monsters, Were the wild ones are, etc.

Monster(Monstrous Humaniod) that turns children into it's own kind by getting then to do bad things like the Grundel from the real ghostbusters cartoon or a similar creature in the Aladin's cartoon series.

CR20 versions of the different outsiders that do not have such a "leader" type such as Proteans, Azata, etc.


I'd like see something bigger then colossal, bigger then behemoths and tarrasque. (a la Godzilla who is 100 meters tall in most modern films) Calling them Kaiju would be an awesome nod, and put them in the dragon empires locations. But I'd love to see the big G, King Ghidorah, Mothra, Biollante, etc. Pathfinderized.

Also cause I'd totally make a save Mothra campaign for the PCs where they have to protect the tiny twins, and get them to a place they bring in the moth. (Maybe to help put down a renewed Rovagug, or something.)

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