Why doesn't glibness have a verbal component?

[Ravingdork]

"Every bard spell has a verbal component (song, recitation, or music)."

Glibness only has "S" in its components line.

Why is that? Is it an error? Or is it just assumed that the lie you are telling is sufficient as a pseudo verbal component?

[BigNorseWolf]

Ravingdork wrote:

"Every bard spell has a verbal component (song, recitation, or music)."

Glibness only has "S" in its components line.

Why is that? Is it an error? Or is it just assumed that the lie you are telling is sufficient as a pseudo verbal component?

Probably so you don't need to interrupt the flow of the conversation to say "Pardon me while i make myself better at lying ickety ackety ook... ok, now where were we?"

[Dire Hobbit]

I envision the somatic component as the bard crossing his fingers behind his back!

That said, I'm not sure why no verbal component either...

[Ravingdork]

Dire Hobbit wrote:

I envision the somatic component as the bard crossing his fingers behind his back!

That said, I'm not sure why no verbal component either...

I thought the same to tell the truth.

[Carbon D. Metric]

Thematically it seems to make sense. Mechanically... IDK, maybe it's a misprint but I kinda doubt it, only for the fact that quickly sputtering out a verbal spell component in the middle of a conversation would quite likely be a good way to tip somebody off that you have reason to lie to them.

[Jagyr Ebonwood]

Carbon D. Metric wrote:

quickly sputtering out a verbal spell component in the middle of a conversation would quite likely be a good way to tip somebody off that you have reason to lie to them.

Not necessarily. As the old joke about glibness goes:

PC: *casts glibness*
NPC: Hey, what was that?
PC: Nothing.
NPC: Oh, okay.

[VRMH]

And now for a wanton act of thread-necromancy.

Was this ever (satisfactorily) answered?

[Rndmname]

Necromancy #2.

Its annoying when noone answers

[Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan]

Glibness wrote:

Your speech becomes fluent and more believable

It's right there.

[Zhayne]

Glibness lasts 10 minutes per level, more than enough time to tell several lies, so what you say is probably not intended to be a verbal component.

[deuxhero]

The normal rules are pretty clear here: All bard spells have verbal components even if they don't for other classes.

Even though it is bard only, there are ways to get it as another class (PF is way more open to cross-class spells than 3.X ever was).

[Create Mr. Pitt]

I think it's because of the purpose of the spell. It is to make you more believable. A verbal spell component would be very noticeable and automatically give the NPC you're conversing with reason to suspect you. Thus, to make the spell more practical, no verbal component.

[Kazaan]

deuxhero wrote:

The normal rules are pretty clear here: All bard spells have verbal components even if they don't for other classes.

Even though it is bard only, there are ways to get it as another class (PF is way more open to cross-class spells than 3.X ever was).

By that logic, a Bard cannot use the Silent Spell metamagic for his spells.

[Elbedor]

Silenced Bard? Depending on the Bard, that might be warmly welcomed at some tables...

[HectorVivis]

Kazaan wrote:

By that logic, a Bard cannot use the Silent Spell metamagic for his spells.

You mean, as it is now ? :)

Silent Spell wrote:

You can cast your spells without making any sound.

Benefit: A silent spell can be cast with no verbal components. Spells without verbal components are not affected. A silent spell uses up a spell slot one level higher than the spell's actual level.

Special: Bard spells cannot be enhanced by this feat.

[SlimGauge]

Elbedor wrote:

Silenced Bard? Depending on the Bard, that might be warmly welcomed at some tables...

No. NO. NOOOooooOOOOO ! Not the MIME BARDS ! Anything, anything but that !

[Elbedor]

SlimGauge wrote:

Elbedor wrote:

Silenced Bard? Depending on the Bard, that might be warmly welcomed at some tables...

No. NO. NOOOooooOOOOO ! Not the MIME BARDS ! Anything, anything but that !

Ok, so not at his table apparently...

[Kazaan]

Hmm, well I'll be damned. Never noticed the special on Silent Spell before. So I guess that sets the precedent; any spells the Bard casts via his own Spells class ability have a verbal component which can be satisfied by singing, recitation, or playing an instrument, even if it doesn't normally have such a component. So if you have a way to add spells from some other list to your own spell list, you must use a verbal component and if a spell only on the Bard list lacks a verbal component, the Bard must use one anyway even though someone else taking the spell from the Bard list doesn't have the same obligation.

[Weirdo]

Kazaan wrote:

...if a spell only on the Bard list lacks a verbal component, the Bard must use one anyway even though someone else taking the spell from the Bard list doesn't have the same obligation.

That seems perverse.

I believe that Glibness is intended to have no V component as a specific exception to the rule that bard spells need V components and cannot be silenced.

Either that or it's a typo.

It certainly shouldn't be that a class that steals the spell from a bard needs no verbal component but a bard does. Even if they anticipated adding it to other non-core classes' lists in the future it would have made more sense to stick with the components a bard would need.

[Wyntr]

I think it's probably a typo. I did find two spells that note that V component is bard only in the Components line:

Rainbow Pattern
Hypnotic Pattern