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Honestly I would pay 30$ for a coin or chit of somekind that just gave a damn re-roll.

Grand Lodge *** Venture-Captain, New Mexico—Alburquerque aka Digitalsabre

Thefurmonger wrote:
Honestly I would pay 30$ for a coin or chit of somekind that just gave a damn re-roll.

You just gave me quite an idea. I wonder how much it'd cost to make something like a coin or card with a chip in it that'd display your PFS ID# briefly at the push of a button. Think of them as PFS Advanced ID cards.

I'm going to go ahead and guess that it'd be prohibitively expensive.

Osirion

Hell ... I'd even pay for a "real" card with my ID# on it, instead of a computer printout version. If it gave me a re-roll, and it was like an actual-thickness credit card or something, maybe with a PFS logo, faction logo, or something ... or even my photo.
Surely *that* wouldn't be prohibitively expensive. All they'd have to do is get a card-maker, and even the video stores have that! And I would gladly pay the $20 or $30 - however much a tshirt is.

Grand Lodge *** Venture-Captain, New Mexico—Alburquerque aka Digitalsabre

W. Kristoph Nolen wrote:

Hell ... I'd even pay for a "real" card with my ID# on it, instead of a computer printout version. If it gave me a re-roll, and it was like an actual-thickness credit card or something, maybe with a PFS logo, faction logo, or something ... or even my photo.

Surely *that* wouldn't be prohibitively expensive. All they'd have to do is get a card-maker, and even the video stores have that! And I would gladly pay the $20 or $30 - however much a tshirt is.

ID Card concept:

Card with PFS logo, faction logo (and matching background and color scheme) of your choice, player name, player photo, PFS ID#—and for GMs, foil star emblems—all conveniently held behind a transparent holographic film overlay. Delivered with choice of t-shirt.

Provides, per scenario, one re-roll of any roll involving a d20 if presented to the GM before the scenario or module.

First-time card, $35. Replacement cards, $15. Photos must be taken by at least 1-star GM.

BONUS! Rear of card printed with blanks for wet-erase entry of character name, player name, perception modifier, initiative modifier breakdown, and initiative value.

Amazing pipe-dream ID Card concept:

Card with PFS logo, faction logo (and matching background and color scheme) of your choice, player name, player photo—and for GMs, foil star emblems—all conveniently held behind a transparent holographic film. Card features a button and thin LCD display much like the Verisign Identity Protection cards. When the button is pressed, your up to six-digit PFS ID# appears in the LCD display. Delivered with FREE t-shirt of choice.

Provides, per scenario, two re-rolls of any roll involving a d20 if presented to the GM before the scenario or module.

First-time card, $100. Replacement cards, $50. Photos must be taken by at least 1-star GM.

BONUS! Rear of card printed with blanks for wet-erase entry of character name, player name, perception modifier, initiative modifier breakdown, and initiative value.

**

I was wondering if a patch might be the next iteration of re-roll accessories. One could attach it to a hat or shirt or one's backpack full of PF books. Take it all the way and attach it to your armor and show your Paizo Pride. All of which would be visible to potential consumers. :)

Osirion

Actually, it would be nice to have a patch. It'd be kind of cool to see one for each season, or each AP, faction, whatever, similar to how there are a few new shirts that are available other than factions...
I can imagine geeks having something like lettermamn's jackets, or military bomber jackets with various patches from PaizoCon, GenCon, etc ... and braggin' about "Yeah, I got this one for being in the only PC group to successfully navigate the Dungeon of Danger at PaizoCon 2013."

From a marketing PoV, though ... a business model for this type of thing is something that wouldn't be as durable as a card or patch. A Tshirt generally will be replaced (let's not get into gamer hygiene, please). A card, or a patch will likely last for years and years, even with heavy use, and wouldn't have to replaced within the life of the campaign. Tshirts are often worn and handled much more often that the card or patch.

I wish we could find something that would meet both Paizo's business interest, and our need for something that we don't have to wear everyday of a Con. ... and something that is interesting enough for me to want to purchase new editions/copies of. The t-shirts are cool, but, they're stagnating, and Paizo won't print anymore, so all we've got is this same old stuff that nobody wants. I don't mind the pricetag ... I just want something that's interesting enough for me to want to buy it.

Grand Lodge **** Venture-Lieutenant, Australia—Melbourne aka KestlerGunner

I'd love a patch! Just yesterday there was this enormous geek in my local gaming store wearing a jacket with a boss picture of Pratchett's Death on it. Gotta admit part of me was pretty jealous.

Yes, the t-shirt business model will make more money, but you can replace the repurchasing of the shirts with the many badges available.
While I might buy one shirt, I'd happily buy a PFS Society badge, a Grand Lodge badge, a Lantern Lodge badge, a We Be Goblin! badge, a Ruby Phoenix badge and a Risen Rune badge.

I'd actively avoid people wearing Hellknight Recruit badges though.

Lantern Lodge ***** Venture-Captain, Australia—Melbourne aka DarkWhite

Iron-on transfers were pretty popular back in the 70's.

Tattoos are currently popular.

ID cards? Why don't we simply microchip PFS players?

Qadira ***

Stephen White wrote:

Iron-on transfers were pretty popular back in the 70's.

Tattoos are currently popular.

ID cards? Why don't we simply microchip PFS players?

wait... what about Iron-on Tattoos?

Osirion

OMG. I know thatitwould never happen, but, a transfer tattoo would've SO cool! They could make a lot of money with that! It'd be a one use item pretty much. It would last not more than a single weekend at a Con, and there'd be a garaunteed resale. There'd be so much fun seeing all of the tattoos that people had on! Just like all od the patches mentioned above!

Of course we'd inevitably run into the people that would try to not wear them, and want to get the reroll for just having them with them. But, geez, they'd be cheap, and basically disposable!

Or even a PDF of something like a stamp that could printed out, and turned in to the DM for each reroll. ... But then, that's not something that could be used as advertising for Paizo.

But there's all KINDS. Of things that could be made instead of tshirts, in addition to them.

Grand Lodge ***** Venture-Captain, Illinois—Decatur aka TwilightKnight

As has been indicated in the past, the re-roll is a bonus awarded to those players who advertise PFS by acting like a living billboard. It is also a bonus for those willing to fork out the cost of a shirt.

Based on multiple arrogant players and other such activities at tables I have been present at, I follow the intention of the Guide. You "wear" the shirt, at the table, for the entire game. That does not mean throwing one around your neck or running to your car (or whatever) at the moment you need to reroll a failed save vs. the BBEG. I use index cards to track initiative in combat and make notes on them during play. One of those notes is who has access to a reroll that I determine at the start of the session.

Some will say that is harsh, but the rules do support my position. If you don't "get" the intention of the shirts, then there isn't much anyone can do to convince you otherwise.

OTOH, I grant a "table reroll" based on my shirt when I am GM'ing. I am, afterall, advertising PFS and therefore granted a reroll, but since I am GM'ing, I can't use it. Why not let someone else? So, anyone at the table that is not wearing a qualifying shirt has access to a single community reroll. Few use it, except in cases of save or die type situations. Is that covered by the Guide, nope, but it balances the expectation.

Before you say it encourages players to wear the same shirt everyday with the associated hygiene concerns, that is covered by the "don't be a jerk" rule. If you are "unclean" don't be surprised if you are asked to leave the game. YMMV

On a side note, I would love to see the rule extended to include other avenues of advertisement. As long as you use logos covered by the community use policy, it would be cool to see what groups would come up with for local/regional PFS shirts. But, until the stock of official Paizo shirts is exhausted, I'm not holding my breath.

Andoran **

Fozzy Hammer wrote:
Maybe if the player sings one of the goblin songs from memory. Loudly. Proudly. In a goblin voice!

I'd loan him my +1 horse slaying sword for that.

Grand Lodge *****

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Tales Subscriber
Bob Jonquet wrote:


On a side note, I would love to see the rule extended to include other avenues of advertisement. As long as you use logos covered by the community use policy, it would be cool to see what groups would come up with for local/regional PFS shirts. But, until the stock of official Paizo shirts is exhausted, I'm not holding my breath.

There is always the option to have

a) an official T-shirt with you
b) a selfmade T-shirt you are wearing

If you are at a CON this should then last you already 2 days with new t-shirts.

Also - there have been new T-Shirts. Last year we got the T-Shirts for the Year of the Ruby Phoenix Tournament and the We Be Goblin T-Shirt. I'm sure there will be a Season 4 T-Shirt that will also be eligable.

Grand Lodge ***** Venture-Captain, Illinois—Decatur aka TwilightKnight

Thod wrote:

here is always the option to have

a) an official T-shirt with you
b) a selfmade T-shirt you are wearing

By this do you mean wearing something other than an "official" faction shirt, and just keeping the official one with you? If so, IMO, you are not meeting the intended expectations for the reroll.

Grand Lodge *****

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Tales Subscriber
Bob Jonquet wrote:


By this do you mean wearing something other than an "official" faction shirt, and just keeping the official one with you? If so, IMO, you are not meeting the intended expectations for the reroll.

Bob

I have followed your posts here. There always is the adjucation of the GM if he insists on a T-Shirt beeing worn or not. I was hoping the above scenario would be a compromise.
First - it is fully acceptable by every GM who accepts a T-Shirt that is owned but not worn. Second - the person would still do advertising for Pathfinder and Paizo.
But you might rule differently.

*

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
W. Kristoph Nolen wrote:
OMG. I know thatitwould never happen, but, a transfer tattoo would've SO cool! ...

Hmm...I do have a Tattooed Sorcerer...hmm.

Andoran **** Venture-Captain, Missouri—Cape Girardeau aka Arnim Thayer

How about if I had my worn-out shirt turned into a laptop cover or book cover for my Core rulebook? I STILL would have paid for the t-shirt, I would STILL be advertising for PFS, and I would have a unique presentation for others to admire... probably leading to more questions/interest.

I ask only because my wife has been very crafty about turning older, almost worn-out t-shirts into other useful items... I even have some t-shirt converted pillows. My PFS dice bag usually garners a LOT of interest at conventions... not that I would try to get a re-roll with it or anything. I'm just wondering why wearing it is the most important aspect of why it qualifies. I would much rather a player return daily for a convention with a PFS t-shirt converted into a laptop carrier than have him wear the same one for three days because he wants his re-roll and is unable to afford more than one of the official t-shirts and unable to wash it, having traveled miles away from home to attend the convention.

Qadira ***

LOL... ok, I have to speak up on this one.

I have a faction T-shirt (regretably for a faction I do not have a character for, but hay, it fit when I bought it). Like many of my used T-shirts it shrank a bit... so it's snug. Some people look good in snug T's, (pause for a moment of reflection...), I am not one of those. I have the Faction shirt proudly displayed on my rolling case - that goes with me all thru the convention. I've even had people ask me what a "Taldor" is. Some judges give me a re-roll, some do not. I often take that 4 roll and turn it into a 2 with my shirt. sigh. I'm happy with things that way, and am looking to buy a couple more shirts (son, wife, me, sister...). Do wish there was a Shadow Lodge one....

On the note of "b) a selfmade T-shirt you are wearing"... not sure if my T10 shirt would count. Or the "Mike is my DM" smiley-face-shot-between-the-eyes shirt, but then you know, I've never tryied. Hay! Can I use my T10 T-shirt to re-try a Take 10?
(Judge: "now let me get this strait, you took 10 on the skill check, and before you know the result, you want to use your T10 shirt to take ten AGAIN?!!" LOL!)

Osirion

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Do you remember the good old days when people used to look at the approved shirt list on page 22 of the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organised Play, buy one, then wore it? On their body. Like a shirt. And then they got a reroll. And life was simple.

Andoran ***

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Dream Daemon wrote:
Do you remember the good old days when people used to look at the approved shirt list on page 22 of the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organised Play, buy one, then wore it? On their body. Like a shirt. And then they got a reroll. And life was simple.

No, I don't. Not when the local VC owned a shirt for his preferred faction, but had to buy one that was too small, so he couldn't wear it, so he started the "own and display" concept in our area.

Grand Lodge *** Venture-Captain, New Mexico—Alburquerque aka Digitalsabre

Stephen White wrote:

Iron-on transfers were pretty popular back in the 70's.

Tattoos are currently popular.

ID cards? Why don't we simply microchip PFS players?

We already have ID cards. They can be printed from a PDF you can download. I was offering an idea that Paizo could sell. A product. One that would offer the benefit of a free re-roll, among other benefits. And something that could clearly and visibly link a player to his or her PFS ID number so that it couldn't be simply passed between players.

**** Venture-Captain, New Jersey aka Shivok

I made a few Risen Rune T-shirts for Kublacon, but I had to divert them to Origins due to shipping date availability.

A coin would not serve to market PFS as most of the times a player would only see that during a PFS game so it defeats the marketing purpose.

The only issue I see with T-shirts is the color of the old factions (some are horrible). I toyed around with making color Iron-ons to spruce up the one's I have.

Hopefully we can keep comig up with ideas for new products that can meet the 'marketing' purpose and the 'cool' purpose as well as the re-roll.

**

W. Kristoph Nolen wrote:

OMG. I know thatitwould never happen, but, a transfer tattoo would've SO cool! They could make a lot of money with that! It'd be a one use item pretty much. It would last not more than a single weekend at a Con, and there'd be a garaunteed resale. There'd be so much fun seeing all of the tattoos that people had on! Just like all od the patches mentioned above!

But there's all KINDS. Of things that could be made instead of tshirts, in addition to them.

I will bump my patch idea, I have a couple on my bag already. :) Temp tattoos are a GREAT idea, and they go with the festive mood of a fair (con?) I would require you were it visibly though, no belly ink :)

*

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Just an FYI for those thinking of creating their own shirts and making them for sale using CUP images ... you can't do it because even if you don't make money (no markup), the third-party company who makes the shirts does and thus will violate the copyright.

Qadira ***

harmor wrote:
Just an FYI for those thinking of creating their own shirts and making them for sale using CUP images ... you can't do it because even if you don't make money (no markup), the third-party company who makes the shirts does and thus will violate the copyright.

ouch! ok... now I have a problem.

I had 2 T shirts made with the Take 10 rule on them... no images, just the text from the CRB (word for word). I have no intention of SELLING them, but I was thinking of having some more made to give away... Am in in violation of copyright? do I need to ditch the T-shirts?

I may just switch to a "Mike is my DM" shirt...

*

nosig wrote:
harmor wrote:
Just an FYI for those thinking of creating their own shirts and making them for sale using CUP images ... you can't do it because even if you don't make money (no markup), the third-party company who makes the shirts does and thus will violate the copyright.

ouch! ok... now I have a problem.

I had 2 T shirts made with the Take 10 rule on them... no images, just the text from the CRB (word for word). I have no intention of SELLING them, but I was thinking of having some more made to give away... Am in in violation of copyright? do I need to ditch the T-shirts?

I may just switch to a "Mike is my DM" shirt...

The problem is the pictures in this case. You can sell anything you want with rules text since the OGL makes it public domain.

It's an arbitrary seeming rule, but thats just how copyright works. Its the same reason that we can't prep an adventure in maptool and then pass the file off to help other DMs who are going to run it.

Qadira ***

Saint Caleth wrote:
nosig wrote:
harmor wrote:
Just an FYI for those thinking of creating their own shirts and making them for sale using CUP images ... you can't do it because even if you don't make money (no markup), the third-party company who makes the shirts does and thus will violate the copyright.

ouch! ok... now I have a problem.

I had 2 T shirts made with the Take 10 rule on them... no images, just the text from the CRB (word for word). I have no intention of SELLING them, but I was thinking of having some more made to give away... Am in in violation of copyright? do I need to ditch the T-shirts?

I may just switch to a "Mike is my DM" shirt...

The problem is the pictures in this case. You can sell anything you want with rules text since the OGL makes it public domain.

It's an arbitrary seeming rule, but thats just how copyright works. Its the same reason that we can't prep an adventure in maptool and then pass the file off to help other DMs who are going to run it.

ah... thanks (I think).

Not being a member of the legal profession, I was not sure of this. and it concerned me a little (on possible ethical grounds).

Not that I intend to sell the shirts, just give them away on whims (perhaps to persons who have PCs die at my table? that would be an idea for Kyle - errr - no that could get expensive for Kyle). The original idea would have been to give them out on a strickly sexist basis, to select individuals, providing an excuse to stare at someones shirt: "errr... I'm just reading the T 10 rule! really!".

Shadow Lodge *****

nosig wrote:
just give them away on whims (perhaps to persons who have PCs die at my table? that would be an idea for Kyle - errr - no that could get expensive for Kyle)

It'd make more sense to give them to PCs who *survive* my table..

***** Venture-Lieutenant, Illinois—Carbondale aka Disturbed1

Michael VonHasseln wrote:
I ask only because my wife has been very crafty about turning older...

I was a little worried about where this sentence was going, lol. I almost spit my drink all over my computer.

nosig wrote:
I have a faction T-shirt (regretably for a faction I do not have a character for, but hay, it fit when I bought it). Like many of my used T-shirts it shrank a bit... so it's snug.

I would give you a reroll for this. I feel for you. :/

Qadira ***

Care Baird wrote:
nosig wrote:
just give them away on whims (perhaps to persons who have PCs die at my table? that would be an idea for Kyle - errr - no that could get expensive for Kyle)
It'd make more sense to give them to PCs who *survive* my table..

and some would think cheaper too... (not having ever had the pleasure of gaming for you, I can not give first hand knowledge either way...)

But hay, you might consider giving out (selling?) patches....
hmmm... you know, maybe I'll do that to. Anyone know where we can get patches (like military unit patchs) made?

*****

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Believe it or not, I'm actually less strict than Bob on this. I let people pull them out at their time of need, and even pass extra shirts around the table. The only stipulation is that they wear the shirt. Some how. If they don't wear it normally, then I insist on them wearing it in a ridiculous fashion and keep it on the rest of the scenario. Seems fair enough to me.

Andoran ** Venture-Lieutenant, North Carolina—Fayetteville

Faction socks. That way we can get 2 rerolls. Faction gloves, too. Michael Jackson only gets one reroll from those.

Qadira ***

Charlie Bell wrote:
Faction socks. That way we can get 2 rerolls. Faction gloves, too. Michael Jackson only gets one reroll from those.

Michael Jackson only had on one sock?

(LOL!)

Osirion

I'd pay for a Pathfinder Logo/Szcarni faction Visa card, that's for sure!
Now *THAT's* advertising!

Grand Lodge ***** Venture-Captain, Illinois—Decatur aka TwilightKnight

Kyle Baird wrote:
I insist on them wearing it in a ridiculous fashion and keep it on the rest of the scenario. Seems fair enough to me.

Since I would excuse myself and return wearing them as boxers, I do not expect anyone to willingly share their faction shirt with me ;-)

Paizo Employee ***** Global Organized Play Coordinator

nosig wrote:

I may just switch to a "Mike is my DM" shirt...

We use GM in Pathfinder ;-)

Qadira ***

Michael Brock wrote:
nosig wrote:

I may just switch to a "Mike is my DM" shirt...

We use GM in Pathfinder ;-)

drat! ouch! Yessir!

(showing my age again....sorry! I do use "judge" for all the person running the table thou..., so I'm not used to GM or DM or any of them "M" things)

Shadow Lodge ** Venture-Lieutenant, California—Silicon Valley aka JohnF

Charlie Bell wrote:
Faction socks. That way we can get 2 rerolls. Faction gloves, too. Michael Jackson only gets one reroll from those.

You only have one 'boots' or 'hand' slot, so you wouldn't get two rerolls from a pair of boots or gloves. And the bonus wouldn't stack, anyway.

Taldor *****

Charlie Bell wrote:
Faction socks. That way we can get 2 rerolls. Faction gloves, too. Michael Jackson only gets one reroll from those.

Absolutely not!! I already object to those that wear the same T-shirt for 3 days at a con. Can you imagine socks worn for three days. Yech. :-)

Qadira ***

Todd Lower wrote:
Charlie Bell wrote:
Faction socks. That way we can get 2 rerolls. Faction gloves, too. Michael Jackson only gets one reroll from those.
Absolutely not!! I already object to those that wear the same T-shirt for 3 days at a con. Can you imagine socks worn for three days. Yech. :-)

wait... then some players will be pulling them off and wadding them up on the table... Ewwww!

Silver Crusade ****

The longer this thread goes on, the more I feel like I'm discussing Munchkin. Which is a game I love, but the more I think about buying bonuses (Socks and such), the more sour a taste it leaves in my mouth regarding PFSRPG. Just my personal opinion.

Qadira ***

wow... day three of a con and one munchkin turns to another. "I'm leaving early guy - my rides gotta get home. You can have my socks for the last game" sits down removing shoes. "Gee - thanks guy!"

EEWWW! does not carry enough reaction!

Silver Crusade ****

To give some basis on my love of munchkin. I own multiple shirts, and also have made currently 6 of the "anti-curse" masks.

Shadow Lodge ** Venture-Lieutenant, California—Silicon Valley aka JohnF

Daniel Luckett wrote:
The longer this thread goes on, the more I feel like I'm discussing Munchkin. Which is a game I love, but the more I think about buying bonuses (Socks and such), the more sour a taste it leaves in my mouth regarding PFSRPG. Just my personal opinion.

I know what you mean - in fact my reaction, when I first saw a Munchkin bobblehead, was "At last! A totally appropriate out-of-game benefit!"

But while I've been at tables where faction shirts are being word, I've only seen rerolls on a couple of occasions. As long as players regard them as somewhat akin to a reserve parachute, not an every-session device, I don't have a real problem with them.

Andoran **** Venture-Captain, Missouri—Cape Girardeau aka Arnim Thayer

Daniel Luckett wrote:
The longer this thread goes on, the more I feel like I'm discussing Munchkin. Which is a game I love, but the more I think about buying bonuses (Socks and such), the more sour a taste it leaves in my mouth regarding PFSRPG. Just my personal opinion.

Munchkin was the "gateway drug" that lead my children into Pathfinder! I approve!

Shadow Lodge ***** Venture-Captain, Michigan—Alma

For those that aren't aware, Wil Wheaton has a bi-weekly webseries called Table Top where he plays board games with geek-celebrities. Last night's was Munchkin. He played with Felicia Day, Sandeep Parikh, and Steve Jackson himself.

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