Honestly I would pay 30$ for a coin or chit of somekind that just gave a damn re-roll.
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Honestly I would pay 30$ for a coin or chit of somekind that just gave a damn re-roll.
You just gave me quite an idea. I wonder how much it'd cost to make something like a coin or card with a chip in it that'd display your PFS ID# briefly at the push of a button. Think of them as PFS Advanced ID cards.
I'm going to go ahead and guess that it'd be prohibitively expensive.
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Hell ... I'd even pay for a "real" card with my ID# on it, instead of a computer printout version. If it gave me a re-roll, and it was like an actual-thickness credit card or something, maybe with a PFS logo, faction logo, or something ... or even my photo.
Surely *that* wouldn't be prohibitively expensive. All they'd have to do is get a card-maker, and even the video stores have that! And I would gladly pay the $20 or $30 - however much a tshirt is.
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Hell ... I'd even pay for a "real" card with my ID# on it, instead of a computer printout version. If it gave me a re-roll, and it was like an actual-thickness credit card or something, maybe with a PFS logo, faction logo, or something ... or even my photo.
Surely *that* wouldn't be prohibitively expensive. All they'd have to do is get a card-maker, and even the video stores have that! And I would gladly pay the $20 or $30 - however much a tshirt is.
ID Card concept:
Card with PFS logo, faction logo (and matching background and color scheme) of your choice, player name, player photo, PFS ID#—and for GMs, foil star emblems—all conveniently held behind a transparent holographic film overlay. Delivered with choice of t-shirt.
Provides, per scenario, one re-roll of any roll involving a d20 if presented to the GM before the scenario or module.
First-time card, $35. Replacement cards, $15. Photos must be taken by at least 1-star GM.
BONUS! Rear of card printed with blanks for wet-erase entry of character name, player name, perception modifier, initiative modifier breakdown, and initiative value.
Amazing pipe-dream ID Card concept:
Card with PFS logo, faction logo (and matching background and color scheme) of your choice, player name, player photo—and for GMs, foil star emblems—all conveniently held behind a transparent holographic film. Card features a button and thin LCD display much like the Verisign Identity Protection cards. When the button is pressed, your up to six-digit PFS ID# appears in the LCD display. Delivered with FREE t-shirt of choice.
Provides, per scenario, two re-rolls of any roll involving a d20 if presented to the GM before the scenario or module.
First-time card, $100. Replacement cards, $50. Photos must be taken by at least 1-star GM.
BONUS! Rear of card printed with blanks for wet-erase entry of character name, player name, perception modifier, initiative modifier breakdown, and initiative value.
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Actually, it would be nice to have a patch. It'd be kind of cool to see one for each season, or each AP, faction, whatever, similar to how there are a few new shirts that are available other than factions...
I can imagine geeks having something like lettermamn's jackets, or military bomber jackets with various patches from PaizoCon, GenCon, etc ... and braggin' about "Yeah, I got this one for being in the only PC group to successfully navigate the Dungeon of Danger at PaizoCon 2013."
From a marketing PoV, though ... a business model for this type of thing is something that wouldn't be as durable as a card or patch. A Tshirt generally will be replaced (let's not get into gamer hygiene, please). A card, or a patch will likely last for years and years, even with heavy use, and wouldn't have to replaced within the life of the campaign. Tshirts are often worn and handled much more often that the card or patch.
I wish we could find something that would meet both Paizo's business interest, and our need for something that we don't have to wear everyday of a Con. ... and something that is interesting enough for me to want to purchase new editions/copies of. The t-shirts are cool, but, they're stagnating, and Paizo won't print anymore, so all we've got is this same old stuff that nobody wants. I don't mind the pricetag ... I just want something that's interesting enough for me to want to buy it.
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I'd love a patch! Just yesterday there was this enormous geek in my local gaming store wearing a jacket with a boss picture of Pratchett's Death on it. Gotta admit part of me was pretty jealous.
Yes, the t-shirt business model will make more money, but you can replace the repurchasing of the shirts with the many badges available.
While I might buy one shirt, I'd happily buy a PFS Society badge, a Grand Lodge badge, a Lantern Lodge badge, a We Be Goblin! badge, a Ruby Phoenix badge and a Risen Rune badge.
I'd actively avoid people wearing Hellknight Recruit badges though.
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OMG. I know thatitwould never happen, but, a transfer tattoo would've SO cool! They could make a lot of money with that! It'd be a one use item pretty much. It would last not more than a single weekend at a Con, and there'd be a garaunteed resale. There'd be so much fun seeing all of the tattoos that people had on! Just like all od the patches mentioned above!
Of course we'd inevitably run into the people that would try to not wear them, and want to get the reroll for just having them with them. But, geez, they'd be cheap, and basically disposable!
Or even a PDF of something like a stamp that could printed out, and turned in to the DM for each reroll. ... But then, that's not something that could be used as advertising for Paizo.
But there's all KINDS. Of things that could be made instead of tshirts, in addition to them.
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As has been indicated in the past, the re-roll is a bonus awarded to those players who advertise PFS by acting like a living billboard. It is also a bonus for those willing to fork out the cost of a shirt.
Based on multiple arrogant players and other such activities at tables I have been present at, I follow the intention of the Guide. You "wear" the shirt, at the table, for the entire game. That does not mean throwing one around your neck or running to your car (or whatever) at the moment you need to reroll a failed save vs. the BBEG. I use index cards to track initiative in combat and make notes on them during play. One of those notes is who has access to a reroll that I determine at the start of the session.
Some will say that is harsh, but the rules do support my position. If you don't "get" the intention of the shirts, then there isn't much anyone can do to convince you otherwise.
OTOH, I grant a "table reroll" based on my shirt when I am GM'ing. I am, afterall, advertising PFS and therefore granted a reroll, but since I am GM'ing, I can't use it. Why not let someone else? So, anyone at the table that is not wearing a qualifying shirt has access to a single community reroll. Few use it, except in cases of save or die type situations. Is that covered by the Guide, nope, but it balances the expectation.
Before you say it encourages players to wear the same shirt everyday with the associated hygiene concerns, that is covered by the "don't be a jerk" rule. If you are "unclean" don't be surprised if you are asked to leave the game. YMMV
On a side note, I would love to see the rule extended to include other avenues of advertisement. As long as you use logos covered by the community use policy, it would be cool to see what groups would come up with for local/regional PFS shirts. But, until the stock of official Paizo shirts is exhausted, I'm not holding my breath.
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On a side note, I would love to see the rule extended to include other avenues of advertisement. As long as you use logos covered by the community use policy, it would be cool to see what groups would come up with for local/regional PFS shirts. But, until the stock of official Paizo shirts is exhausted, I'm not holding my breath.
There is always the option to have
a) an official T-shirt with you
b) a selfmade T-shirt you are wearing
If you are at a CON this should then last you already 2 days with new t-shirts.
Also - there have been new T-Shirts. Last year we got the T-Shirts for the Year of the Ruby Phoenix Tournament and the We Be Goblin T-Shirt. I'm sure there will be a Season 4 T-Shirt that will also be eligable.
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By this do you mean wearing something other than an "official" faction shirt, and just keeping the official one with you? If so, IMO, you are not meeting the intended expectations for the reroll.
Bob
I have followed your posts here. There always is the adjucation of the GM if he insists on a T-Shirt beeing worn or not. I was hoping the above scenario would be a compromise.
First - it is fully acceptable by every GM who accepts a T-Shirt that is owned but not worn. Second - the person would still do advertising for Pathfinder and Paizo.
But you might rule differently.
Venture-Captain, Missouri—Cape Girardeau
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How about if I had my worn-out shirt turned into a laptop cover or book cover for my Core rulebook? I STILL would have paid for the t-shirt, I would STILL be advertising for PFS, and I would have a unique presentation for others to admire... probably leading to more questions/interest.
I ask only because my wife has been very crafty about turning older, almost worn-out t-shirts into other useful items... I even have some t-shirt converted pillows. My PFS dice bag usually garners a LOT of interest at conventions... not that I would try to get a re-roll with it or anything. I'm just wondering why wearing it is the most important aspect of why it qualifies. I would much rather a player return daily for a convention with a PFS t-shirt converted into a laptop carrier than have him wear the same one for three days because he wants his re-roll and is unable to afford more than one of the official t-shirts and unable to wash it, having traveled miles away from home to attend the convention.
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Do you remember the good old days when people used to look at the approved shirt list on page 22 of the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organised Play, buy one, then wore it? On their body. Like a shirt. And then they got a reroll. And life was simple.
No, I don't. Not when the local VC owned a shirt for his preferred faction, but had to buy one that was too small, so he couldn't wear it, so he started the "own and display" concept in our area.
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Iron-on transfers were pretty popular back in the 70's.
Tattoos are currently popular.
ID cards? Why don't we simply microchip PFS players?
We already have ID cards. They can be printed from a PDF you can download. I was offering an idea that Paizo could sell. A product. One that would offer the benefit of a free re-roll, among other benefits. And something that could clearly and visibly link a player to his or her PFS ID number so that it couldn't be simply passed between players.
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I made a few Risen Rune T-shirts for Kublacon, but I had to divert them to Origins due to shipping date availability.
A coin would not serve to market PFS as most of the times a player would only see that during a PFS game so it defeats the marketing purpose.
The only issue I see with T-shirts is the color of the old factions (some are horrible). I toyed around with making color Iron-ons to spruce up the one's I have.
Hopefully we can keep comig up with ideas for new products that can meet the 'marketing' purpose and the 'cool' purpose as well as the re-roll.
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OMG. I know thatitwould never happen, but, a transfer tattoo would've SO cool! They could make a lot of money with that! It'd be a one use item pretty much. It would last not more than a single weekend at a Con, and there'd be a garaunteed resale. There'd be so much fun seeing all of the tattoos that people had on! Just like all od the patches mentioned above!
But there's all KINDS. Of things that could be made instead of tshirts, in addition to them.
I will bump my patch idea, I have a couple on my bag already. :) Temp tattoos are a GREAT idea, and they go with the festive mood of a fair (con?) I would require you were it visibly though, no belly ink :)
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Just an FYI for those thinking of creating their own shirts and making them for sale using CUP images ... you can't do it because even if you don't make money (no markup), the third-party company who makes the shirts does and thus will violate the copyright.ouch! ok... now I have a problem.
I had 2 T shirts made with the Take 10 rule on them... no images, just the text from the CRB (word for word). I have no intention of SELLING them, but I was thinking of having some more made to give away... Am in in violation of copyright? do I need to ditch the T-shirts?
I may just switch to a "Mike is my DM" shirt...
The problem is the pictures in this case. You can sell anything you want with rules text since the OGL makes it public domain.
It's an arbitrary seeming rule, but thats just how copyright works. Its the same reason that we can't prep an adventure in maptool and then pass the file off to help other DMs who are going to run it.
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I ask only because my wife has been very crafty about turning older...
I was a little worried about where this sentence was going, lol. I almost spit my drink all over my computer.
I have a faction T-shirt (regretably for a faction I do not have a character for, but hay, it fit when I bought it). Like many of my used T-shirts it shrank a bit... so it's snug.
I would give you a reroll for this. I feel for you. :/
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Believe it or not, I'm actually less strict than Bob on this. I let people pull them out at their time of need, and even pass extra shirts around the table. The only stipulation is that they wear the shirt. Some how. If they don't wear it normally, then I insist on them wearing it in a ridiculous fashion and keep it on the rest of the scenario. Seems fair enough to me.
Venture-Captain, California—San Francisco Bay Area South & West
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Faction socks. That way we can get 2 rerolls. Faction gloves, too. Michael Jackson only gets one reroll from those.
You only have one 'boots' or 'hand' slot, so you wouldn't get two rerolls from a pair of boots or gloves. And the bonus wouldn't stack, anyway.
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Venture-Captain, California—San Francisco Bay Area South & West
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The longer this thread goes on, the more I feel like I'm discussing Munchkin. Which is a game I love, but the more I think about buying bonuses (Socks and such), the more sour a taste it leaves in my mouth regarding PFSRPG. Just my personal opinion.
I know what you mean - in fact my reaction, when I first saw a Munchkin bobblehead, was "At last! A totally appropriate out-of-game benefit!"
But while I've been at tables where faction shirts are being word, I've only seen rerolls on a couple of occasions. As long as players regard them as somewhat akin to a reserve parachute, not an every-session device, I don't have a real problem with them.
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Venture-Captain, Missouri—Cape Girardeau
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The longer this thread goes on, the more I feel like I'm discussing Munchkin. Which is a game I love, but the more I think about buying bonuses (Socks and such), the more sour a taste it leaves in my mouth regarding PFSRPG. Just my personal opinion.
Munchkin was the "gateway drug" that lead my children into Pathfinder! I approve!
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Venture-Captain, Michigan—Mt. Pleasant
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For those that aren't aware, Wil Wheaton has a bi-weekly webseries called Table Top where he plays board games with geek-celebrities. Last night's was Munchkin. He played with Felicia Day, Sandeep Parikh, and Steve Jackson himself.