Ways to caster level for permanency.


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I'm looking for any and all ways to meet the minimum caster level requirements for Permanency. Preferably multiple ways that all stack.

I know there's a Ioun stone that adds +1 overall CL

There's also a trait where you pick three spells to get a +1 CL. I forget the name.

Any other ways?


Bead of Karma from Prayer Beads gives +4 CL for 10 min/day and only costs 20,000. You would need to UMD to work it though as it is normally divine only.


chaoseffect wrote:
Bead of Karma from Prayer Beads gives +4 CL for 10 min/day and only costs 20,000. You would need to UMD to work it though as it is normally divine only.

That's really good. All you have to do is get UMD DC 20, but it increases caster level for all spell casting classes.

Edit: expensive, but the karma beat alone only costs 20K or 10 if you make it.


There are multiple traits that give +1 CL for 1 or more spells, they do not specifically give a trait bonus, just a bonus, so you can get +2 from traits if you don't already have conflicting ones. +1 Ioun stone you mentioned. Shaman's paint gives +2 alchemical bonus to your caster level for any spells that target one or more allies (you are your own ally).

I would mention though, the spell permanency says "you must be of a minimum caster level" not "your caster level for this spell" which probably means the trait and shaman's paint won't actually help do what you are asking. The requirement is your caster level, some gm's might not allow specific spell CL bonuses to work. It's obviously not for PFS though, so just check with your GM first.

Liberty's Edge

Spell Specialization gives a +2 on caster level checks with one spell. It also can be changed to another spell whenever you gain a level.


Jayder22 wrote:

There are multiple traits that give +1 CL for 1 or more spells, they do not specifically give a trait bonus, just a bonus, so you can get +2 from traits if you don't already have conflicting ones. +1 Ioun stone you mentioned. Shaman's paint gives +2 alchemical bonus to your caster level for any spells that target one or more allies (you are your own ally).

I would mention though, the spell permanency says "you must be of a minimum caster level" not "your caster level for this spell" which probably means the trait and shaman's paint won't actually help do what you are asking. The requirement is your caster level, some gm's might not allow specific spell CL bonuses to work. It's obviously not for PFS though, so just check with your GM first.

That being said, those are greats ways to boost caster level for the actual spell being made permanent. Higher caster level == harder to dispel.


Charender wrote:
Jayder22 wrote:

There are multiple traits that give +1 CL for 1 or more spells, they do not specifically give a trait bonus, just a bonus, so you can get +2 from traits if you don't already have conflicting ones. +1 Ioun stone you mentioned. Shaman's paint gives +2 alchemical bonus to your caster level for any spells that target one or more allies (you are your own ally).

I would mention though, the spell permanency says "you must be of a minimum caster level" not "your caster level for this spell" which probably means the trait and shaman's paint won't actually help do what you are asking. The requirement is your caster level, some gm's might not allow specific spell CL bonuses to work. It's obviously not for PFS though, so just check with your GM first.

That being said, those are greats ways to boost caster level for the actual spell being made permanent. Higher caster level == harder to dispel.

Though not necessarily wrong, If think its really pedantic not to allow your caster level when you cast permanency to count. I cast permanency and my caster level for that is 13 then I should be able to make permanent anything of CL 13 or less per the permanency spell.

Edit: Do you think this is FAQ worthy?

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