Especially for the purpose of Lunge feat?
I'd like to have a fighter tank that holds the shield in 2-hands (Everstand Stance) for +2 Hardness and Lunges to Trip/Shove with it from distance. Is that possible?
The ideal combo would be Lunge->shield Trip with Assurance, Lunge-> shield Shove with Assurance, Everstand Strike (for Strike (no MAP) + Raise Shield).
You can't because Shields don't have Trip/Shove traits.
To be able to use Lunge with maneuvers you need that the weapon you are using have the trait.Extending your body to its limits, you attack an enemy that would normally be beyond your reach. Make a Strike with a melee weapon, increasing your reach by 5 feet for that Strike. If the weapon has the disarm, shove, or trip trait, you can use the corresponding action instead of a Strike.
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Ow sorry I ignored the thread title.
So fixing myself I agree with Baarogue.
I also increment that the Assurance for atletics manouvers is more a white paper than it's really useful. Most enemies that are closer to your level have better saves than an Assurance can win.
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As far as MAP goes, yes, because Assurance would ignore the MAP penalties.
Works but Assurance hardly works for maneuvers.
For example if you are a lvl 1 chars facing a level 1 Cacodaemon you are unable to both Shove and Trip with Assurance because its reflex and fortitude DC are 18 and 17 respectively.
This also happens for weaken creatures too. A level 0 Water Wisp has 14 Reflex DC and 18 Fort DC and a level -1 Weasel have DC 17 Reflex and DC 14 Fort.
Assurance simply aren't good to use versus opponents DCs. It's more useful to use vs fixed DCs that you already knows like Aid or Treat Wounds.
Remember, Assurance isn't to guarantee your first move ... it's there to get rid of that minus ten multiple attack penalty for your third after taking two normal swings. But yes, a shield is still considered a weapon for those purposes. And you can also add fundamental runes to the augmentation too.
Arguably, if you are using assurance, you don't have a MAP.
It is arguable.
The opposing argument is that you do have the Multiple Attack Penalty even if the penalty isn't included in the dice calculation. But you being affected by the penalty is what is the prerequisite for the Press actions. Not having the dice roll (or dice non-roll) affected by the penalty.
Arguably, if you are using assurance, you don't have a MAP.It is arguable.
The opposing argument is that you do have the Multiple Attack Penalty even if the penalty isn't included in the dice calculation. But you being affected by the penalty is what is the prerequisite for the Press actions. Not having the dice roll (or dice non-roll) affected by the penalty.
Right. The PC has MAP, even if the maneuver they're using doesn't.
And while Assurance hardly works on at-level opponents (with exceptions for some plodding creatures like zombies), it can work with minions fairly often. And as 3rd attacks go, that's pretty good albeit situational, especially if you're a Dex-warrior anyway. (or even funnier, a low-Str caster just goofing off).