Is cold iron really so powerful?


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Scarab Sages

I've been browsing spells and I've noticed several that specifically state they can't create cold iron but can create things like mithral or adamantine. Is there something I'm missing which means cold iron is so much more powerful than the other special metals/materials which requires it be specifically called out as not being able to be made?

Shadow Lodge

Senko wrote:
I've been browsing spells and I've noticed several that specifically state they can't create cold iron but can create things like mithral or adamantine. Is there something I'm missing which means cold iron is so much more powerful than the other special metals/materials which requires it be specifically called out as not being able to be made?

It's really just a flavor thing: Cold Iron is traditionally anti-magical, so magical spells can't easily create it...


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From the looks of it DR cold iron also seems to be a little more common than DR that is overcome by other special material. Cold Iron usually is needed to hurt Demons, Div, Fey Kami and Qlippoth. Fey is a basic type not a subtype like most of the others.


Taja the Barbarian wrote:
Senko wrote:
I've been browsing spells and I've noticed several that specifically state they can't create cold iron but can create things like mithral or adamantine. Is there something I'm missing which means cold iron is so much more powerful than the other special metals/materials which requires it be specifically called out as not being able to be made?
It's really just a flavor thing: Cold Iron is traditionally anti-magical, so magical spells can't easily create it...

That's probably it, yeah.

Thankfully, if you really need to spam out some cold iron for whatever reason, there's Iron Stake in the mix, which can only create cold iron, and even then, probably only 1 pound at a time if it's like the iron spikes from the adventuring gear part of the equipment list.


basically cold iron is how the low magic mobs stood up to their high magic rulers.
the material has bad alignment with magic, it's is also why from the most common special material for weapons it's the cheapest (just double the base weapon price), but once you try and make it into a magical weapon it gets:
"..Also, adding any magical enhancements to a cold iron weapon increases its price by 2,000 gp. This increase is applied the first time the item is enhanced, not once per ability added..." (from the 'special material' section of the equipment chapter).

cold iron, which doesn't require the intense heat facility steel and such need- it's mostly just hammered out ingots of iron, can be obtained a lot easier for the oppressed mob (a lot of oppressors had been known to only allow blacksmiths to forge for them).

that and torches is what a lynch mob need to deal with high dr monsters.

Scarab Sages

Fair enough.

Liberty's Edge

Coidzor wrote:
Thankfully, if you really need to spam out some cold iron for whatever reason, there's Iron Stake in the mix, which can only create cold iron, and even then, probably only 1 pound at a time if it's like the iron spikes from the adventuring gear part of the equipment list.

Another one of those spells that makes my inner Rule Lawyer cry.

The spell is instantaneous, so it conjures a cold iron stake 1' long that stays after you have cast the spell?

As it is a real item, it "is treated as a magic and cold iron weapon for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction" forever, or only the round the spell is cast?

The Exchange

Diego Rossi wrote:
Coidzor wrote:
Thankfully, if you really need to spam out some cold iron for whatever reason, there's Iron Stake in the mix, which can only create cold iron, and even then, probably only 1 pound at a time if it's like the iron spikes from the adventuring gear part of the equipment list.

Another one of those spells that makes my inner Rule Lawyer cry.

The spell is instantaneous, so it conjures a cold iron stake 1' long that stays after you have cast the spell?

As it is a real item, it "is treated as a magic and cold iron weapon for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction" forever, or only the round the spell is cast?

Yeah, this probably should have been instantaneous (see text) and the first paragraph of the description should have ended with something like "The stake disappears after the spell is cast and the damage is dealt." That's how pellet blast took care of the "free materials" problem.

There's actually a large amount of these "create projectile" spells that don't explicitly say their created effects disappear.

Also, Diego, I'm pretty sure there's nothing "inner" about your Rules Lawyer :)

Spoiler:
Or mine

The Exchange

Just parsed iron stake some more and, yeah. . . the stake has to disappear.

Iron Stake wrote:
...The stake is treated as a magic and cold iron weapon for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction, and deals 1d6 points of piercing damage for every 2 caster levels you have (maximum 10d6 at 20th level).

If that stake stayed in existence, every melee class in your party would be clamoring for you to cast several as soon as you hit 6th level. (Because they would have a permanent 3d6 weapon.) And then again at 8th, 10th, etc...

Spoiler:
Now I really want to play just one more 1E Cheese Grinder tournament. Pretty sure I could boost my CL up high enough for this one spell to create a 20d6 weapon by 11th level.


I'd say the Iron Stake only does that kind of damage as part of the spell attack. After the spell, it's just a regular cold-iron stake, which should do 1d4 damage if it's comparable to the wooden stake.

Liberty's Edge

Belafon wrote:


Also, Diego, I'm pretty sure there's nothing "inner" about your Rules Lawyer :)

It is Inner, not Hidden. :-)

It is a core part of me. It was a bit of a shock the first time I realized that, but I am a Rule Lawyer.


Melkiador wrote:
I'd say the Iron Stake only does that kind of damage as part of the spell attack. After the spell, it's just a regular cold-iron stake, which should do 1d4 damage if it's comparable to the wooden stake.

Yeah, as much as I'm that guy who reminds people about Instantaneous Duration Conjuration (Creation) spells, I think the most broken thing you can do with it is generate ~50 gp of trade goods (~1 lb of Cold Iron) using a 3rd level spell slot, which is still way less than you'd get by selling that 3rd level spell slot as part of spellcasting services, even selling those spellcasting services at half price.

Even if it stays as counting as a magic weapon for bypassing DR, a basic 1d4 weapon is either a backup weapon or something for equipping minions like a necromancer's mindless undead and would be competing with repurposed Stone Discus material cannibalized into arrowheads or spearheads or sling stones.

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