Ritual Casting and skill checks 1 or 20?

[yonman17]

Can you fail on a 1 or automatically succeed on a 20 like in Research checks?

[TxSam88]

Unlike with attack rolls and saving throws, for Skills a natural roll of 20 on the d20 is not an automatic success, and a natural roll of 1 is not an automatic failure.

[Mysterious Stranger]

Skill rolls do not automatically succeed on a 20, nor do they automatically fail on a 1. The automatic failure and success are only on rolls to hit and saves.

[Claxon]

Otherwise, 5% of the time you could jump to the moon on a critical success.

[yonman17]

I understand Skill checks cannot get a 1 or a 20, but when you do Research you can get a 1 or a 20 on those skill check rolls.

[Claxon]

yonman17 wrote:

I understand Skill checks cannot get a 1 or a 20, but when you do Research you can get a 1 or a 20 on those skill check rolls.

Your question is confusing.

You can roll a 20, or even have a bonus that amounts to 20 or more.

You can roll a natural 20 (or a natural 1) on the die but it doesn't have any special effect. You just add 1 or 20 to your skill modifier for the roll. It doesn't cause you to fail or succeed, you simply add the die number to your modifier and compare to the DC to determine if you succeed.

Research is a skill check, so it doesn't do anything differently.

[TxSam88]

Claxon wrote:

yonman17 wrote:

I understand Skill checks cannot get a 1 or a 20, but when you do Research you can get a 1 or a 20 on those skill check rolls.

Your question is confusing.

You can roll a 20, or even have a bonus that amounts to 20 or more.

You can roll a natural 20 (or a natural 1) on the die but it doesn't have any special effect. You just add 1 or 20 to your skill modifier for the roll. It doesn't cause you to fail or succeed, you simply add the die number to your modifier and compare to the DC to determine if you succeed.

Research is a skill check, so it doesn't do anything differently.

A couple of the AP's have you do research as part of the adventure - it's simply a skill check with some bonuses applied due to the story - all normal skill check rules apply.

[willuwontu]

Research Rules

Quote:

Rolling a natural 20 on a Research check acts like a critical threat. If the researcher confirms the critical hit by succeeding at a second Research check with all the same modifiers (this takes no additional time), the resulting knowledge point reduction is doubled. Conversely, rolling a natural 1 on a Research check automatically results in failure, and the library’s knowledge points increase by 1/4 of the library’s maximum knowledge points as the library’s complexity causes a researcher to follow a wrong avenue of investigation.

These are rules specific to the research subsystem and differ from the normal rules for skill checks.

If you look at the rules for Occult Rituals, you can see that there is nothing listed for rolling a 20 or a 1, which means it defaults to the normal rules of skill checks in that scenario (e.g. nothing changes).

[VoodistMonk]

Rituals require skill checks in order to cast/complete the ritual... those aforementioned skill checks are still just skill checks, regardless of being part of a ritual. Said skill checks are handled exactly as any other skill check, and follow the general rules associated with basic skill checks. Nothing in the ritual rules changes how the skill checks are handled... only limits which bonuses apply to the skill checks... no specific mention of 1's being automatic failure or 20's being automatic success, so they aren't.

[Mysterious Stranger]

The rules cited for research only apply to researching something in a library and do not apply to any other use of the skill. The only affect they have is on the library itself. Even when you roll a 1 all it means is the research failed in that library.

[yonman17]

willuwontu wrote:

Research Rules

Quote:

Rolling a natural 20 on a Research check acts like a critical threat. If the researcher confirms the critical hit by succeeding at a second Research check with all the same modifiers (this takes no additional time), the resulting knowledge point reduction is doubled. Conversely, rolling a natural 1 on a Research check automatically results in failure, and the library’s knowledge points increase by 1/4 of the library’s maximum knowledge points as the library’s complexity causes a researcher to follow a wrong avenue of investigation.

These are rules specific to the research subsystem and differ from the normal rules for skill checks.

If you look at the rules for Occult Rituals, you can see that there is nothing listed for rolling a 20 or a 1, which means it defaults to the normal rules of skill checks in that scenario (e.g. nothing changes).

Thank you for the clarification