GM benevolence aside, how should the following scenarios play out by the rules?
Situation 1, which I think is the simplest:
You take a Skill Feat (Intimidating Gaze) in your 3rd level General Feat slot. You advance to 4th and gain a Skill Feat slot. Now you want to move Intimidating Gaze to the 4th level Skill Feat and take Fleet as your 3rd level General Feat.
1. Can you take Intimidating Gaze in the 4th slot then spend 1 week retraining 3rd level General slot Intimidating Gaze into Fleet? I expect “No” because you can’t take Intimidating Gaze more than once.
2. You take a different Skill Feat in the 4th level slot (let’s say Group Coercion). How do you get Intimidating Gaze to the 4th slot and Fleet in the 3rd? Retrain Intimidating Gaze to Fleet, losing Intimidating Gaze until you get 7 more days of Downtime to retrain Group Coercion into Intimidating Gaze?
Or can you retrain Group Coercion into Intimidating Gaze and the 3rd level slot becomes empty until you retrain Fleet into the empty slot?
The other situation is more complex but may be answered with the simpler situations above.
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A strict GM could insist on option #2. You have to pick a filler feat when you level up, retrain the lower feat slot, then retrain the higher feat slot.
I don't know how many GMs would be insisting on this though. I don't. I may not let it be completely free to slide a feat that you already have into a different slot that it qualifies to be at, but I would at the very least only make that be part of a different retraining.
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As GM I simply allows without any retraining.
Take a skill feat as general feat slot then switch it to a skill feat doesn't mean that you are retraining it because you already know it. It's just a meta-reorganization don't really change the char abilities. At same time you are learning a new feat that's a general feat that will stay in the older lvl 3 slot.
This is no different from do in reverted order. If you learn Fleet at 3º level, nothing prevents you to learn Intimidating Gaze at 4º lvl without retraining when you level up. So just to do a change the order of the things was learned is completely different from trying to "forget" an feat that is no more useful to you to put other in it's place.
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Well, ostensibly #2 would be the correct reading of the rules. However, it's unpleasant and doesn't make much sense, that you first have to spend time forgetting something and then relearning it. So this is a good candidate to slap with the First Rule;
The First Rule
The first rule of Pathfinder is that this game is yours. Use it to tell the stories you want to tell, be the character you want to be, and share exciting adventures with friends. If any other rule gets in the way of your fun, as long as your group agrees, you can alter or ignore it to fit your story. The true goal of Pathfinder is for everyone to enjoy themselves.
I'd personally go with #3; for a given episode of retraining, I'd count how many different feats you have before/after (1 different) and base the cost on that, regardless of how many internal shuffles happened.
The key principle for retraining is basically, go from one build that you could have gotten step by step leveling normally, to another one that you could have also gotten if you'd done it that way all along.