I would not allow multiple templates to begin with.
Regarding the flavour - if the result is the same I don't have a problem with reflavouring a "New" familiar to be an "upgraded" exisiting familiar. I think that kind of thing should be encouraged, as it lends more permanence to the familiar, which makes the player more invester in the characters and the story.
As for the mechanics, I'm super unfamiliar with familiars , but I assume Mysterious Stranger is probably correct, and that you're not meant to stack templates.
Flavour yes, Mechanics no .
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I agree with the others that there is no problem if, for flavor, you want your new familiar to be an evolution of your original familiar.
Multiple templates are possible, as there are several examples of creatures with multiple templates in AP and modules. "The number of adjectives shows how strong it is." and "It is a giant, enhanced, advanced, blending creature." are recurring jokes about non-standard hard monsters (that started after meeting in a published adventure a giant, armored, advanced, and another couple of adjectives, spider).
That notwithstanding I would scrutinize with a lot of attention what the templates do and to what/who they can be added.
Some templates can be only applied when a creature is conceived before it was born, some can be added only to an animal, or a magical beast, or at an outsider, some can be added to a living or unliving creature, some to a corporeal or incorporeal creature.
So, I would require that the end creature follow an acceptable path to reach the final stage, applying each template to a valid target (with some leeway for flavor) and that the templates don't clash with each other and, possibly, adjusting some effect if there are overlaps.
In a home game that has a longer time frame for the story than the typical AP, I would require some time for the creature's growth. "Magic" is a powerful explanation, but my cub tiger becoming a fully grown adult in two days isn't something I feel appropriate.
This is not the rules forum and you were asking what other people would do. I don’t have a problem stacking some templates, but I would not allow those templates to be combined. I would only allow one planar template per creature.
Upgrading the familiar is fine.
Looking at this, you have a bloodline fox familiar. You add two templates. Then later you want a caypup bloodline familiar that would benefit from the celestial servant feat.
Yeah, no problem. You have an unusual narrative for how you got the familiar you have, but your outcome is still mechanically normal.
It is weird that your familiar would be a magical beast rather than an outsider, but that hardly matters. It's possible that "celestial servant" is only intended to work with familiars that would typically be animals, but I don't see a problem with it.
Yeah as I said this isn't a rule-set I've delved deeply into. If template stacking is normal then I have zero problems re-flavouring it to fit the character. *Thumbs up*
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start with fox(or foxlike) and use feat for template. so far no problem.
level 3 get improved familiar to get entropic X animal. used for same fox(or dog). still shouldn't be a problem, you now have a 'celestial entropic X'.
level 7 one can take improved familiar and pick "Caypup" as one. since you already took the feat, i would let you use the ritual to gain\replace a new familiar to 'evolve' your older 'entropic celestial x' into a 'celestial Caypup'.
won't need to waste a feat, will loose the entropic but keep the celestial. and cost you a bit of gold.
side note. emissary archtype is ok, some other archtypes can't be improved familiar for loosing speaking with animals of same kind (like valet etc).
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I don't object to stacking templates, but I can see why others might. I am curious why Mysterious Stranger has an issue with this particular combo. I may be mistaken, but isn't Celestial the default "good" template and Entropic the chaotic one? There are plenty of chaotic good creatures, including either the angels or devas I think. So, why not these two templates together? Not saying right or wrong, just curious.
Flavor wise, I love this progression. I love familiars in general.
Celestial template = Inherited
Entropic template = InheritedInherited Templates: Some templates, such as the halfdragon and half-fiend templates, are part of a creature from the beginning of its existence. Creatures are born or created with these templates already in place, and have never known life without them. These types of templates are called “inherited templates.”
A creature can't acquire an Inherited template. It must have it from birth.
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Caypup CG Small outsider (native)
Native
This subtype is applied only to outsiders. Creatures with this subtype are native to the Material Plane. These creatures have mortal ancestors or a strong connection to the Material Plane and can be raised, reincarnated, or resurrected just as other living creatures can be. Unlike true outsiders, native outsiders need to eat and sleep.
Celestial Creature (CR +0 or +1)
Celestial creatures dwell in the higher planes,
Entropic
Creatures with the entropic template live in planes where chaos is paramount
Native doesn't seem compatible with Celestial and Entropic.
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I don't object to stacking templates, but I can see why others might. I am curious why Mysterious Stranger has an issue with this particular combo. I may be mistaken, but isn't Celestial the default "good" template and Entropic the chaotic one? There are plenty of chaotic good creatures, including either the angels or devas I think. So, why not these two templates together? Not saying right or wrong, just curious.
Flavor wise, I love this progression. I love familiars in general.
Celestial template = Inherited
Entropic template = InheritedInherited Templates: Some templates, such as the halfdragon and half-fiend templates, are part of a creature from the beginning of its existence. Creatures are born or created with these templates already in place, and have never known life without them. These types of templates are called “inherited templates.”A creature can't acquire an Inherited template. It must have it from birth.aonprd.com says they are acquired.
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I was so convinced it was inherited that I misread.
idk about inherent template or what-not.
for me the fact there is a feat that let an Aasiamr to add celestial template to his companion\mount\familiar kinda tell that even if it's not meant to be as a general rule it's allowed via the specific feat rule.
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That’s not a good argument. Neither the Celestial template nor Celestial Servant feat say they can’t be applied to Native Outsiders. Furthermore, Celestial, Fiendish, Resolute, and Entropic do not give the Extraplanar subtype, which they would have to for your argument to have any merit, as all creatures not Native to the Material Plane automatically gain it, no exceptions, when on the Material Plane.
Extraplanar
Source Bestiary 6 pg. 304, Pathfinder RPG Bestiary pg. 312, Bestiary 2 pg. 307, Bestiary 3 pg. 306, Bestiary 4 pg. 306, Bestiary 5 pg. 306
This subtype is applied to any creature when it is on a plane other than its native plane.
The only thing that matters for the Extraplanar subtype is if the creature is in its native plane or not.
An Elf in Elysium has the Extraplanar subtype, an Azata in Elysium hasn't.
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We aren’t talking about Elves or Azatas in Elysium. We are talking about Celestial template creatures on the Material Plane. What I said stands true.
No creature gets the Extraplanar by default. They get them when they are on another plane.
A Celestial creature on the Material Plane gets the Extraplanar subtype, a native outsider in an Outer plane gets the Extraplanar subtype.
A Celestial creature in its native plane doesn't get the Extraplanar subtype, a Native Outsider in the material plane doesn't get the Extraplanar subtype.
The Bestiary assumes that the PCs live on the material plane, so it shows the Extraplanar subtype on some monster, but that applies only if that assumption is true.
Extraplanar
Source Bestiary 6 pg. 304, Pathfinder RPG Bestiary pg. 312, Bestiary 2 pg. 307, Bestiary 3 pg. 306, Bestiary 4 pg. 306, Bestiary 5 pg. 306
This subtype is applied to any creature when it is on a plane other than its native plane.
A creature that travels the planes can gain or lose this subtype as it goes from plane to plane.
Monster entries assume that encounters with creatures take place on the Material Plane, and every creature whose native plane is not the Material Plane has the extraplanar subtype (but would not have it when on its home plane).
Every extraplanar creature in this book has a home plane mentioned in its description. Creatures not labeled as extraplanar are natives of the Material Plane, and they gain the extraplanar subtype if they leave the Material Plane. No creature has the extraplanar subtype when it is on a Transitive Plane (the Astral Plane, the Ethereal Plane, or the Plane of Shadow).