AoN/Brewkeeper wrote:
... A draught functions as a potion or oil...
I have a little Leshy Herbalist Brewkeeper that has all this going on, and as far as I know, it's totally legit...
Fortified Drinker + Faithful Drinker + Potion Master + Drunken Brawler + 2 Reservoir pts =
+2 Trait Bonus vs mind-affecting 1hr, and
+2 Sacred Bonus to Will saves 1rnd, and
Use own CL instead of the potion's, and
-2 Reflex saves, and
+2 Alchemical Bonus to Fort & Will saves, and
+20 Temp HP for 1hr, and
Extend + Empower Spell
Oh, neat catch... I will have to give my Leshy a second look. Thank you.
They function as potions, thus consume spells, potion gluttony, accelerated drinker, two-fisted drinker, etc. all work on them.
Note that for an alchemist, they function as an extract with the infusion discovery, and thus the above doesn't apply.
I feel it is worth noting that Two-fisted Drinker explicitly states “or other beverages” meaning it is not limited to just potions… extracts are still a beverage and should be affected by that feat… the same actually would apply to Potion Glutton as well due to the “or other potables” phrasing. Which to be clear “potable” means “drinkable” aka, a beverage… and as stated Extracts do in fact qualify as beverages.
Accelerated drinker is the only one that can’t affect extracts, as it only affects explicitly potions.
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Distilled Spells (Su): A brewkeeper can spend 1 minute distilling an extract or spell she has prepared or an unused spell slot into a draught. When she does so with an alchemist extract, the draught functions as if enhanced by the infusion discovery. Spells can be distilled only if they qualify to be created as a potion or oil from the spell but without the limitation of being a 3rd- or lower-level spell. Once a draught is created, it persists for up to 24 hours, even if it is no longer in the brewkeeper’s possession. After this point, the draught becomes inert and the brewkeeper regains the use of that extract or spell slot (although she must still prepare that slot normally, as if she had cast the spell or used the extract from that slot during the day). As long as the draught remains potent, it continues to occupy one of the brewkeeper’s daily extract or spell slots. A draught functions as a potion or oil, and can be used by any creature.Compare to
Extracts are the most varied of the three. In many ways, they behave like spells in potion form, and as such their effects can be dispelled by effects like dispel magic using the alchemist’s level as the caster level. Unlike potions, though, extracts can have powerful effects and duplicate spells that a potion normally could not.
Both things "function" or "behave" like potions, but they aren't potions.
And we know very well that extracts don't work with most feats that affect potions.As an added proof, let look at two pieces of text removing the intervening blurb:
When she does so with an alchemist extract, the draught functions as if enhanced by the infusion discovery.
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A draught functions as a potion or oil, and can be used by any creature.
If a draught is a potion the first phrase is irrelevant. If instead, the draught works like a potion, but it isn't one, it becomes relevant.
You are making the same mistaken argument that was made for treating extract and infusion like potions.
The FAQ/Errata for Potion Glutton explicitly excludes extracts. Two-fisted drinker might work, but tis an easy thing to rule against as a GM.They function as potions, thus consume spells, potion gluttony, accelerated drinker, two-fisted drinker, etc. all work on them.
Note that for an alchemist, they function as an extract with the infusion discovery, and thus the above doesn't apply.
I feel it is worth noting that Two-fisted Drinker explicitly states “or other beverages” meaning it is not limited to just potions… extracts are still a beverage and should be affected by that feat… the same actually would apply to Potion Glutton as well due to the “or other potables” phrasing. Which to be clear “potable” means “drinkable” aka, a beverage… and as stated Extracts do in fact qualify as beverages.
Accelerated drinker is the only one that can’t affect extracts, as it only affects explicitly potions.
With that FAQ changing the whole feat acting as an errata, sure… but at any table that sticks to the original wording of the feat, it makes no such exception. Given that no similar FAQ exists for Two-Fisted Drinker, and that the feat effectively requires a full round action to drink two potions or other beverages, it is hardly unreasonable to let it work exactly as it says (thus not banning it from affecting extracts). Personally, I see the FAQ for Potion Glutton more as a PFS change meant to prevent drinking three potions/extracts in one round. The original swift action version of potion glutton was self balancing even since PF doesn’t allow using move or standard actions to perform swift actions unlike DnD 3.0, which means you can only ever drink one per round without provoking using the original text, the changed Move action version however… permits for two per round without provoking since you can always use a move action in place of a standard action… both versions have their advantages and disadvantages…
Furthermore, with the reworded potion glutton, Two-Fisted Drinker effectively fills the exact same niche… also, most of the arguments against the original wording of potion glutton cite it as replacing the need for quicken spell… since Extracts can’t benefit from Metamagic, the original potion glutton was the only option for alchemists to get swift action extracts.
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Willowontu, do you realize that you are actually supporting my point?
You guys are arguing that "works like potions" mean "is a potion", but then you present cases where "This spell functions like summon monster I" don't mean "This spell is summon monster I" and so on.
If a feat or power "works with potions", it doesn't mean it "works with potion and potion-like items" unless it says so explicitly.
A power that "works with summon monster spells" works with all "summon monster spells", a power that "works with Summon monster I" doesn't work with Summon Monster II.
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It is almost as if there is no argument at all. And, for once, everyone in the rules arena is holding hands, skipping through a field of flowers...
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A power that "works with summon monster spells" works with all "summon monster spells", a power that "works with Summon monster I" doesn't work with Summon Monster II.You realize you just supported my point here.
I'm not arguing that an effect that works for specifically a potion of cure light wounds also affects a draught of cure light wounds (specific), but rather that an effect that affects potions also affects things that function like potions.
And effects that work with potion don't work for thins that work like potions, as already proved by extract and infuses.
Work like =/= is a
So if the effect says that it works with potion-like items it works for a draught, if it says that it works with potions, it doesn't work.
Regarding specifically the OPs question.
Two-fisted Drinker: Yes. The feat applies to ALL drinkables, no exception.
You can draw two potions or other beverages—mundane or magical—from a pouch, bandolier, or similar holder (but not from a backpack) as a move action. As a standard action, you can drink two potions or other beverages. You must have two free hands to use this feat.
Unlike Potion Glutton there is no FAQ or Errata that adds any exceptions to this feat. As written it applies to anything you can drink, not just potions.
Consume Magic Items: No. the Exploit has very explicit wording that restricts what it applies to heavily.
The arcanist can consume the power of potions, scrolls, staves, and wands, using them to fill her arcane reservoir. She can use this ability a number of times per day equal to her Charisma modifier (minimum 1). Using this ability is a move action that provokes an attack of opportunity.
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Points gained in excess of the arcanist's reservoir's maximum are lost. This exploit has no effect on magic armor, weapons, rings, rods, wondrous items, or other magic items besides those noted above.
The last line of Consume Magic Items forbids everything not expressly listed at the start of the exploit. For the exploit “functions like” does not equal “is”.