Family line lich


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I remember seeing a lich or something like one that used it's family as a phylactery, when destroyed it would possess it's closest living relative to survive, does anyone know what that is cause I can't find it


Familial Lich.

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/familial-lich- cr-0/


I had a thread a while ago called "All in the Family", or something like that... it was covering interesting and unique bloodline nonsense.

Given that it was my thread, naturally, it involved Changelings/Hags and Covens. The feat Lamashtu's Mark gives one's offspring the Fiendish Template, which I ran with... and fits nicely with the Damnation feats... which can help an individual hide their alignment (useful to Changelings/Hags and Covens).

That "All in the Family" thread also touched on things like Reincarnated Druid's Many Lives and how they might interact with triggering a Familial Lich's progression.


Familial Liches are nightmarish things that should be reserved for groups that have pissed the GM off.


Liches are plot devices, and GM's usually only use them with the intentions of letting the party win. In reality, though, Liches are beyond the reach of nearly every party if played even remotely true to nature. It is easy to make a rock solid, carefully worded, hiding place for one's phylactery that is literally inaccessible.

Outside of something like Wish, nobody is finding it within reason, even within reason WITH MAGIC. Just not happening... unless the GM wills it to be.

What if the Paladin's backstory included wanting revenge on the Lich that killed his parents? Dun-dun-dun...


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VoodistMonk wrote:

Liches are plot devices, and GM's usually only use them with the intentions of letting the party win. In reality, though, Liches are beyond the reach of nearly every party if played even remotely true to nature. It is easy to make a rock solid, carefully worded, hiding place for one's phylactery that is literally inaccessible.

Outside of something like Wish, nobody is finding it within reason, even within reason WITH MAGIC. Just not happening... unless the GM wills it to be.

What if the Paladin's backstory included wanting revenge on the Lich that killed his parents? Dun-dun-dun...

And that lich? His grandfather!


VoodistMonk wrote:

Liches are plot devices, and GM's usually only use them with the intentions of letting the party win. In reality, though, Liches are beyond the reach of nearly every party if played even remotely true to nature. It is easy to make a rock solid, carefully worded, hiding place for one's phylactery that is literally inaccessible.

Outside of something like Wish, nobody is finding it within reason, even within reason WITH MAGIC. Just not happening... unless the GM wills it to be.

What if the Paladin's backstory included wanting revenge on the Lich that killed his parents? Dun-dun-dun...

True that it's just down to the GM, but the GM has a very easy get-out to make the phylactery accessible: there is no single set way to become a lich, and so some liches might necessarily need a phylactery that can't be hidden away. Maybe it needs to be on the same plane as the lich, must be bathed in virgin's blood every full moon and has to stay somewhere sacred to Urgathoa.


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Thanks, I was trying to remember because it reminded me of a villain in the Mercedes Lackey book I'm reading


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serithal wrote:
Thanks, I was trying to remember because it reminded me of a villain in the Mercedes Lackey book I'm reading

Morneleth Falconsbane?

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