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My return to purchasing is contingent on reckoning with the transphobia allegations, but union recognition is also something I’m deeply committed to. Once both are knocked out? I’m buying every single volume of Strength of Thousands, and also grabbing my own copy of G&G.
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My return to purchasing is contingent on reckoning with the transphobia allegations, but union recognition is also something I’m deeply committed to. Once both are knocked out? I’m buying every single volume of Strength of Thousands, and also grabbing my own copy of G&G.
I've been really wanting to actually buy a copy of that core rulebook and finally give 2e a shot. Maybe pick up the first issue of that really cool "the PCs start out dead" AP Crystal worked on; I love how it seems to challenge a lot of old tropes.
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My return to purchasing is contingent on reckoning with the transphobia allegations, but union recognition is also something I’m deeply committed to. Once both are knocked out? I’m buying every single volume of Strength of Thousands, and also grabbing my own copy of G&G.I've been really wanting to actually buy a copy of that core rulebook and finally give 2e a shot. Maybe pick up the first issue of that really cool "the PCs start out dead" AP Crystal worked on; I love how it seems to challenge a lot of old tropes.
If you want an introduction to the best of 2e, grab the Mwangi book and maybe also Strength of Thousands. People talk a lot about the improved mechanics of 2e, but the real highlight is the way the lore shines thanks to its more nuanced worldbuilding done by diverse teams. I really think all the Mwangi material in 2e is among the best Paizo’s ever done.
My return to purchasing is contingent on reckoning with the transphobia allegations, but union recognition is also something I’m deeply committed to. Once both are knocked out? I’m buying every single volume of Strength of Thousands, and also grabbing my own copy of G&G.I've been really wanting to actually buy a copy of that core rulebook and finally give 2e a shot. Maybe pick up the first issue of that really cool "the PCs start out dead" AP Crystal worked on; I love how it seems to challenge a lot of old tropes.
In which AP do the PCs start out dead?
Tyrants Grasp (sort of)
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I need to know the system first! But yeah, Golarion's lore has grown on me as well.
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Strength of Thousands shines not only for its setting, but also both a lot of really subtle characterization around disability and a real mechanical commitment to mostly nonviolent resolutions that I find really inspiring. I’ve been lucky enough to read a friend’s copies; I’m buying my own the second the transphobia allegations are handled.
Book 4 has some fascinating setting changes for the region.
I need to know the system first! But yeah, Golarion's lore has grown on me as well.
Tyrant's Grasp is the last AP for 1st edition, so not if you're only interested in that one.
That said, I really like 2nd edition and encourage you to get it, which is easier and cheaper than ever with the pocket editions.
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The more I think about the recent revelations, the more I need real accountability before I buy from Paizo again. Admission of wrongdoing regarding transphobia and real steps to prevent it from happening again. Not shuffling policy so it is easier to conceal the outward expression of institutional transphobia, new policy that prevents it. Evidence that the company will stand by the values it has espoused in print moving forward. A good union can help accomplish these goals, and without a good union to assure that these goals are accomplished I do not currently see how I would trust that they have. Forcing the vote will only add more reason to think the execs are bad at crucial parts of their job and increase the chance that I never trust paizo with my money again. Recognizing the union will only help paizo get my money again, it won't guarantee it and it won't make me less likely to buy.
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...give them a nice thumbs-up. Recognizing the union is like...step 1. People don't really deserve too much hearty praise for doing the bare minimum. Businesses deserve even less.
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While I understand peoples skepticism, I personally think differently.
If Paizo quickly recognizes the union I am willing to accept that as strong evidence that they do indeed actually intend to change. At the least, it is sufficient for me to extend to them the benefit of the doubt.
While I will continue to watch for further evidence that they have in fact started to change in the interim I will resume buying Paizo products.
Basically, I think it is fairly unrealistic to expect much more than that to happen this quickly. It is a HUGE first step. It is also unacceptable to me for any less than that to happen. The Union being recognized by Paizo is an absolutely necessary step before I'll buy anything from Paizo ever again.
Whilst I support what they are doing, if it goes into effect or not isn't going to change my buying habits. As it is I plan on supporting Paizo either way until I no longer enjoy the content or whatever.
Agreed and seconded.
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I will actually purchase PF2E.
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...be real, recognizing the union is at best a return to neutral, not a reason to start actively rewarding them. It's the bare minimum they can do.
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...be real, recognizing the union is at best a return to neutral, not a reason to start actively rewarding them. It's the bare minimum they can do.
I dunno. First union in the industry? I'd definitely like to support that. Even once, I'd like to see a company presented with an something like this not fight, and instead work with them.
Is it the exact distribution of rewarding I'd like? Nah. But it's definitely not the bare minimum that the 36+ Paizo employees forming the union can do, and that's worth a lot to me.
But, it's understandable for someone to have a different view on that!
Keeping to the topic, if Paizo recognizes the union, I'll be very happy, and a lot more comfortable continuing with their systems.
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Take is as a sign of good faith that they intend to implement needed changes. I'll probably get Guns & Gear or the Absalom book. My individual purchase counts for next to nothing but I'd like some kind of blip in sales to show Paizo that this is the correct course of action. But further purchases will be contingent on how things go from there.
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...strongly consider what is going to make up my holiday shopping list while waiting for word from the company regarding transphobic and other concerns of accountability.
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… seriously worry about the future viability of Paizo. I think this could mark the beginning of the end. I hope not, but I don’t have that much faith that isn’t true.
I’ll still continue to support Paizo and their products, for as long as their quality remains as strong as it has been.
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I've been holding off on getting some of the recent books, but I would absolutely throw some money at Paizo if they voluntarily recognize the union, it would feel nice to buy games from a union shop for a change.
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… seriously worry about the future viability of Paizo. I think this could mark the beginning of the end. I hope not, but I don’t have that much faith that isn’t true.
I’ll still continue to support Paizo and their products, for as long as their quality remains as strong as it has been.
Why would recognizing the union be “the beginning of the end?”
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Why would recognizing the union be “the beginning of the end?”… seriously worry about the future viability of Paizo. I think this could mark the beginning of the end. I hope not, but I don’t have that much faith that isn’t true.
I’ll still continue to support Paizo and their products, for as long as their quality remains as strong as it has been.
Doing business in the RPG space is not as profitable as a lot of people may think it is. And unions don’t always deliver on what people they think they will. I just don’t see a good business case for it.
But hey - if this proposal leads to constructive conversations about work conditions and some agreements that make a union unnecessary, then that would be a good outcome.
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...continue to support Paizo and all its employees. If the Union is willing to return to work if they're recognized, then that is good enough for me to stay a subscriber.
One day I would like to see Jeff replaced by an Executive Committee but as a mere customer I know that is not up to me.
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...still be unqualified to have an educated opinion on if it's a good thing or a bad thing long-term for the company and its employees.
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...continue to support Paizo and all its employees. If the Union is willing to return to work if they're recognized, then that is good enough for me to stay a subscriber.
One day I would like to see Jeff replaced by an Executive Committee but as a mere customer I know that is not up to me.
@Anorak - it is important to note that staff are currently still working. Striking has not been called for - at this point the workers want management to recognise the Union before any further action. However a group of 40 or so freelancers have embarked on a concerted action to stop work - one of their demands is also that Paizo recognise the UPW.
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Maintain my subscriptions... the ones I've maintained for 14 years without break since 2007 (see "charter superscriber" above). I've been a proud union member for over 25 years, and have even served as a negotiator and chapter president a few time. There is absolutely no way I can support a company that doesn't embrace an employee union and see it as a positive way for employees to have a voice. I've placed almost 500 orders over the last 20 years and been playing in Pathfinder Society since Season 0 (PFS ID# 1969). I would genuinely LOVE to have my faith restored in Paizo, and voluntarily recognizing the employee union would be the first step.
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Return to work as a Freelancer, making books that I love with other people that I love for a gaming community that I love.
Hmm
The solidarity you all are showing is inspiring! <3
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It'd be a major factor in whether I decide to go ahead and actually get my first subscription. I think I'd wait until there's actually a negotiated agreement, though, since I've seen employers "voluntarily" recognize a union and then slow walk negotiations for over a year.
Continue my subscriptions, it is a huge first step for making things right.
I will continue to watch for meaningful changes to everything that we have been talking about. But recognizing the Union without a vote would show me that the leadership is serious about their employees and customers concerns.
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...sigh in relief as some their demands are ludicrous and would kill a company that is, apparently, struggling.
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...sigh in relief as some their demands are ludicrous and would kill a company that is, apparently, struggling.
Which of their demands are “ludicrous”?
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Which of their demands are “ludicrous”?...sigh in relief as some their demands are ludicrous and would kill a company that is, apparently, struggling.
The hiring of a diversity officer.
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The hiring of a diversity officer.Which of their demands are “ludicrous”?...sigh in relief as some their demands are ludicrous and would kill a company that is, apparently, struggling.
I'm glad that you've recognised the true power of capitalism - a bunch of angry people cancelling their subs driving a company to a brink of collapse so hard that hiring one person will bankrupt it.
You're getting there, jefe, with figuring out how the world around you works. But in doing so, you forgot about the "Humbly, Yawar" part.
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...would kill a company that is, apparently, struggling.
(We don't actually know this, because Paizo isn't transparent with its money.)
(Also, you think hiring one additional employee would kill the whole company? Good heavens!)
EDIT: Oh, also, you posted on the wrong thread, dear. Unless you're rooting for Paizo's collapse.
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The hiring of a diversity officer.Which of their demands are “ludicrous”?...sigh in relief as some their demands are ludicrous and would kill a company that is, apparently, struggling.
Spoiler alert! It's just another way of saying human relations.
That seems a little reductive, but I'm not from the corporate world.
I'm not either but if it helps someone sleep easier then I'm willing to try reductive explanations.
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...would kill a company that is, apparently, struggling.
(We don't actually know this, because Paizo isn't transparent with its money.)
(Also, you think hiring one additional employee would kill the whole company? Good heavens!)
EDIT: Oh, also, you posted on the wrong thread, dear. Unless you're rooting for Paizo's collapse.
You’re right, I didn't realized that there was a similar thread.
It should say "face-palm" rather than "sigh in relief".
Humbly,
Yawar
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The hiring of a diversity officer.Which of their demands are “ludicrous”?...sigh in relief as some their demands are ludicrous and would kill a company that is, apparently, struggling.
Ah good, glad to see that you named a demand that was not one of the demands of the union, but rather one of the demands made by the freelancers who have stopped work. Since the announcement of the union, that demand is gone, replaced with just recognizing the union to get the work stoppage ended.
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It makes my soul smile when I come through and see people who can keep track of reality and eloquently educate me on what I may need to get caught up on.
Cori Marie, and Kobold Cleaver. Gems of the community and while I've seen your names around before Sara Marie was let go, and the curtains pulled back. I wanted to say that I really do appreciate your efforts to keep things on track and some how manage to keep information up to date.
I wouldn't be able to do it as eloquently as you peeps. Much appreciation. I would have to have entire one notes dedicated to what is current if you guys didn't correct misinformation thrown out there.