Does anyone else find the amount of food in mages mansion odd?


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Scarab Sages

I was looking at this spell and it's not that big a space by modern standards (a maximum of 60 ten foot cubes). It only lasts at most 40 hours a bit less than 2 days. However it apparently contains enough food for a 9 course banquet for 240 people. That seems a huge amount of food for the time/duration. Even if you split it across the duration (6 meals give or take) that assumes your housing 40 people for those 2 days and feeding them 9 courses with each meal.

Am I missing something or does it just seem to have far more food than makes sense given the size/duration of the spell?

For that matter how much of your 60 cubes is used up storing all this food?


when i gm?
all the food is goodberries (9 course > toasted berry, cooked berry etc). so 5 ft cubic hold it all.


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So you're looking at a space that's 60'X100', 6000 square feet, or 3 times the average american home. I would say there is ample space for that much food, or if not, it's probably stored magically in dimensional type cabinets.


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It's pretty handy for hosting a giant dinner party. People can go in, enjoy some good food, and then come out, when they are done.

Consider that your mansion doesn't have to offer individual rooms. You could have a giant bunk room to host a small army. Or you could just have a giant dining room to accommodate the previously mentioned dinner party.

Also consider that as such a high level adventurer, there is a high likelihood of needing to house large and huge creatures.


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Melkiador wrote:
It's pretty handy for hosting a giant dinner party. People can go in, enjoy some good food, and then come out, when they are done.

This is the answer. We're used to being murder hobos, so we use it as a place to camp that avoids ambushes, but it can also function as a place to host dignitaries, feed an army, or whatever other fantastic event you imagine.

It's a utility spell for intrigue campaigns as well as dungeon crawls.


I a nine course banquet some of the courses are not that large. In some cases a course may simply be a drink.

A nine course banquet could start out with an assortment of bread, Followed by a cup (not a bowl) of soup. Next would be a small salad. Next up is an assortment of cheese and fruit. After this would be some sort of fish. The main course could be some sort of meat and vegetables. Following that some sort of rice dish. Then comes desert. And the last course some sort of brandy or other drink. That would be a nine course banquet. It has plenty to eat but it’s not much more than the typical holiday meal.


"Traditional" American thanksgiving

1. Spinach Cassarole (spinach, butter and cheese all baked together)
2. Mashed potatoes and gravy
3. Turkey
4. Stuffing
5. Rolls or bread
6. Finger foods to snack on (olives/gherkins, peanuts, candy)
7. Wine, milk or water
8. Canned yams
9. Pie for dessert (pumpkin, apple, etc)

I suppose that's a nine course meal, all at once. Folks, even ones as physically active as murderhobos, probably shouldn't eat like that all the time, but once in a while could be ok. And all of that fits in a fridge, some cabinets and a pantry in most American homes, so I'm not seeing where this is too much?


Mordenkainen liked to party.

Scarab Sages

Fair points ok its more reasonable than I thought though I am now picturing a sociable mage using their mansion as a resturant. "Come for the, stay for the luxury ambience.

The Exchange

Senko wrote:
I was looking at this spell and it's not that big a space by modern standards (a maximum of 60 ten foot cubes).

"Modern standards" is a pretty key phrase. That would be huge in a quasi-medieval setting for anyone but a queen/emperor/lord ruler.

Just for funsies:

Two states (Delaware and Missouri) have Governor's Mansions that are significantly under 6,000 square feet. There are some really massive Governor's mansions (Illinois) but there are a good number clocking in around 7,000 square feet.

That's for the official residence of the head of a US state.

Scarab Sages

Belafon wrote:
Senko wrote:
I was looking at this spell and it's not that big a space by modern standards (a maximum of 60 ten foot cubes).

"Modern standards" is a pretty key phrase. That would be huge in a quasi-medieval setting for anyone but a queen/emperor/lord ruler.

Just for funsies:

Two states (Delaware and Missouri) have Governor's Mansions that are significantly under 6,000 square feet. There are some really massive Governor's mansions (Illinois) but there are a good number clocking in around 7,000 square feet.

That's for the official residence of the head of a US state.

Fair point I suppose its a result of my having just been looking at Baba Yaga and Nex's massive planar getaways along with private islands for sale and remembering other things like one indivdiual using a 70 story skyscraper as their private residence and another buying 5 multimillion dollar mansion so they can knock them down and build their own one in their place. Part can also be attributed to my tending to think of "mansions" as having attached gardens, tree's take up a LOT of room when you factor in height and root space.


Senko wrote:
Belafon wrote:
Senko wrote:
I was looking at this spell and it's not that big a space by modern standards (a maximum of 60 ten foot cubes).

"Modern standards" is a pretty key phrase. That would be huge in a quasi-medieval setting for anyone but a queen/emperor/lord ruler.

Just for funsies:

Two states (Delaware and Missouri) have Governor's Mansions that are significantly under 6,000 square feet. There are some really massive Governor's mansions (Illinois) but there are a good number clocking in around 7,000 square feet.

That's for the official residence of the head of a US state.

Fair point I suppose its a result of my having just been looking at Baba Yaga and Nex's massive planar getaways along with private islands for sale and remembering other things like one indivdiual using a 70 story skyscraper as their private residence and another buying 5 multimillion dollar mansion so they can knock them down and build their own one in their place. Part can also be attributed to my tending to think of "mansions" as having attached gardens, tree's take up a LOT of room when you factor in height and root space.

When you have an Estate, the manor itself doesn't need to contain everything, and in fact it's often preferable to relegate a lot of things to outbuildings.

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