What is this, a collection for ANTS?!?


Thaumaturge Class

Liberty's Edge

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For real though, I looked at the Iconic art and I read the class and then I read it again.

Flipped back, looked at the art, and then double-checked... Esoterica states

Thaumaturge Playtest: Esoterica wrote:
... You wear your esoterica in a small bag or pouch somewhere on your person that makes it easy to access...

A small bag? For real, that has to either just be something that's being glossed over due to the nature of the playtest or an oversight because the Iconic is wearing at LEAST twice as many bits and bobs as any other Class Iconic. Describing their Esoterica to fit in a singular easily accessed bag or pouch does not line up with the image of an individual quite literally having an answer to help key off the weakness of any given creature, person, construct, or even hazard. By my estimation, this collection should add up to at LEAST 2 bulk. I just tried counting all the individual little things that should be adding up and I gave up at 20 that are visible in the sketch art without even considering what is in the many pouches.

Now, I don't really want to see them forced into stacking Strength as a way for them to offset this, or maybe even just a description that doesn't reduce the size to that of a Tiny PCs Material Component Pouch with zero actual weight would be welcome. The way I look at things, they should be wearing at least as many things on their person as you can stuff in a modern shopping cart so it feels like a big disconnect to me.

Am I wrong in thinking that this immense load shouldn't simply be relegated to one pouch that couldn't even fit my smart-phone?


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Themetricsystem wrote:

For real though, I looked at the Iconic art and I read the class and then I read it again.

Flipped back, looked at the art, and then double-checked... Esoterical states

Thaumaturge Playtest: Esoterica wrote:
... You wear your esoterica in a small bag or pouch somewhere on your person that makes it easy to access...

A small bag? For real, that has to either just be something that's being glossed over due to the nature of the playtest or an oversight because the Iconic is wearing at LEAST twice as many bits and bobs as any other Class Iconic. Describing their Esoterica to fit in a singular easily accessed bag or pouch does not line up with the image of an individual quite literally having an answer to help key off the weakness of any given creature, person, construct, or even hazard. By my estimation, this collection should add up to at LEAST 2 bulk. I just tried counting all the individual little things that should be adding up and I gave up at 20 that are visible in the sketch art without even considering what is in the many pouches.

Now, I don't really want to see them forced into stacking Strength so a way for them to offset this, or maybe even just a description that doesn't reduce the size to that of a Tiny PCs Material Component Pouch with zero actual weight would be welcome. The way I look at things, they should be wearing at least as many things on their person as you can stuff in a modern shopping cart so it feels like a big disconnect to me.

Am I wrong in thinking that this immense load shouldn't simply be relegated to one pouch that couldn't even fit my smart-phone?

The current esoterica implementation just feels kinda weird in general. Like if an Alchemist stored all their bombs and elixirs and mutagens and everything in a small pouch and they did the same thing regardless of their nature.

Liberty's Edge

Maybe those are memorabilia rather than Esoterica.

Or we can have a class feature "Buoyed by knowledge" that gives zero weight to all small items (less than 1 Bulk) that have no mechanical impact per se, no matter how many you are carrying.

Silver Crusade

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It's flavor texted away rather than force the PC to spend most of their Bulk on their actual class features to the point they can't use items and armor.


There is a handbag joke in here somewhere (relating to handbags supposedly being a small bag you can carry in one hand, but often being cavernously large and full of really random junk).


TMS it definitely right.

It has to be at least three times bigger than that.


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It is certainly not the first "hammer space" implementation in PF2.

Just ask a Snare Specialist Ranger where they are keeping their "hundreds upon hundreds of arrows" or their "deadly flying bladed wheel" and all of the mechanisms it would take to propel it. Much less hide the thing in a square.

Or there is always your old fashioned 10 foot ladder you happened to purchase and stash in your backpack the last time you were in town "just in case". As long as you had 3 bulk to burn anyway.


I don’t get it. The small bag is a small bag. Small. It has…things in it. That aren’t described, or sadly even mechanically…actual. That is a whole ‘nother kettle of…antithesis. The trinkets and doohickeys? They…aren’t the bag. They are artistic license which weighs exactly…negative minus no-bulks.

Now if you have a problem with the under described, effortlessly voluminous nature of this TARDISian bag of whateveryouneedyougotsit, that’s fine. I don’t like it either. But the bag has nothing to do with the apparel Mios is pictured with.


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By RAW, the bag is the size of a human child or adult halfling. That seems about right.


@QuidEst - RAW where? A human child or adult halfling sized bag sounds more like a duffel bag than a small bag or pouch.


OCEANSHIELDWOLPF 2.0 wrote:


@QuidEst - RAW where? A human child or adult halfling sized bag sounds more like a duffel bag than a small bag or pouch.

OoC text was to indicate humor/not being serious. It's a "small" pouch, with the joke being I'm reading it as a "Small" pouch.

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