Varisian Tattoo and scroll caster level.


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I'm currently playing an evoker wizard with the Varisian Tattoo feat. We recently came across a scroll of Fireball (CL:5) and I was wondering if the tattoo would enhance the scroll's caster level, thereby making it a CL:6 when I cast it or does the feat only count to spells that I've personally memorized for the day?

Silver Crusade

Vanulf Wulfson wrote:
I'm currently playing an evoker wizard with the Varisian Tattoo feat. We recently came across a scroll of Fireball (CL:5) and I was wondering if the tattoo would enhance the scroll's caster level, thereby making it a CL:6 when I cast it or does the feat only count to spells that I've personally memorized for the day?

Scrolls' caster level (CL) depends on the crafter, and therefore the value of the scroll, not the user. So, unless the crafter decides to craft the scroll at a higher CL, increasing the price of the scroll accordingly (25 x 3 (spell level) x CL), it would stay at the minimum CL: 5 regardless of your feats and class features (unless they specifically apply to scrolls, of course).

For completeness' sake, the same is true for the scroll DC, being calculated over the minimum stat required for casting the spell. In the case of a 3rd level spell, the minimum spellcasting stat required is 13, so the DC would be 14, even if you have, say, Spell Focus (Evocation). Unlike the CL, the DC cannot be increased by the crafter.


Relevant rules:

"Caster Level (CL): The next item in a notational entry gives the caster level of the item, indicating its relative power. The caster level determines the item’s saving throw bonus, as well as range or other level-dependent aspects of the powers of the item (if variable). It also determines the level that must be contended with should the item come under the effect of a dispel magic spell or similar situation.
For potions, scrolls, and wands, the creator can set the caster level of an item at any number high enough to cast the stored spell but not higher than her own caster level. For other magic items, the caster level is determined by the item itself." CRB pg. 460

"Assume the scroll spell’s caster level is always the minimum level required to cast the spell for the character who scribed the scroll, unless the scriber specifically desired otherwise." CRB pg. 490f


If you intend on casting spells from scrolls at higher CL's, the feat you might want to think about would be Cypher Magic. You get a free +1 CL when casting from scrolls.

I had a Wizard (Exploiter Wizard)3 that took this feat. She'd use a special ability to cast Magic Missile at CL4 into a scroll, then cast those scrolls at CL5 for an extra missile. Good times.


So, let's say for the sake of argument.

Benefit: Select a school of magic (other than divination) in which you have Spell Focus—you cast spells from this school at +1 caster level. Additionally, you gain a single spell-like ability usable up to three times per day. The spell-like ability gained (and its Varisian name) are as follows:

It doesn't differentiate between spells I've memorized or those I "cast" from a scroll (whereas Cypher Magic does).

Shadow Lodge

Vanulf Wulfson wrote:

So, let's say for the sake of argument.

Benefit: Select a school of magic (other than divination) in which you have Spell Focus—you cast spells from this school at +1 caster level. Additionally, you gain a single spell-like ability usable up to three times per day. The spell-like ability gained (and its Varisian name) are as follows:

It doesn't differentiate between spells I've memorized or those I "cast" from a scroll (whereas Cypher Magic does).

You aren't casting anything when you activate a scroll: You are activating a magic item that produces a specific spell effect, and your feats won't change that spell effect (unless specifically stated otherwise).


There's an FAQ about this.


Vanulf Wulfson wrote:
I'm currently playing an evoker wizard with the Varisian Tattoo feat. We recently came across a scroll of Fireball (CL:5) and I was wondering if the tattoo would enhance the scroll's caster level, thereby making it a CL:6 when I cast it or does the feat only count to spells that I've personally memorized for the day?

as willuwontu gave the applicable FAQ

The scroll is NOT affected by Varisian Tattoo.
It does apply to spells you personally cast (being memorized, recalled, etc) that meet the feat's requirements.

Congrats on having a Fireball 3@5 scroll with a set DC, If you have Scribe scroll feat then sell it and rescribe the scroll at your DC which is probably higher. As you are an evoker I'd repen the cash into a non-evocation spell like Cir Prot Evil{A} 3@5, Heroism{E} 3@5, or Stinking Cloud{C} 3@5 as that will probably be more effective. The scroll being overhead lets you take one more evocation (with Varisian Tattoo) as it has the back-up spell you usually take.

Shadow Lodge

Azothath wrote:

...Congrats on having a Fireball 3@5 scroll with a set DC, If you have Scribe scroll feat then sell it and rescribe the scroll at your DC which is probably higher.

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Nope: While you can craft a more expensive scroll with a higher caster level (up to your own caster level), the Save DC is still a fixed value based on the spell level:
Saving Throws Against Magic Item Powers wrote:

Source PRPG Core Rulebook pg. 459

Magic items produce spells or spell-like effects. For a saving throw against a spell or spell-like effect from a magic item, the DC is 10 + the level of the spell or effect + the ability modifier of the minimum ability score needed to cast that level of spell.

Staves are an exception to the rule. Treat the saving throw as if the wielder cast the spell, including caster level and all modifiers to save DCs.

Most item descriptions give saving throw DCs for various effects, particularly when the effect has no exact spell equivalent (making its level otherwise difficult to determine quickly).

So, a scroll of a 3rd level Fireball always has a dc 14 save, regardless of the casting stat, feats, and class features of its creator*.

*Unless, of course, the creator or user has an ability that specifically changes this DC calculation.

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