I think considering the fact What If (the comic) has been kind of a good standard for alternate worlds, I don't foresee this being either too comical or too serious. Maybe.
IMDB doesn’t even list the actor taking over Strange form Cumberbatch, but all the other primary characters each do only one episode except Jeffrey Wright’s Uatu. I suspect much like the comic itself, the audiences through character will be Uatu
I'm with dirtypool on this. It's pretty clear, to me at least, we're viewing all this from Uatu's PoV. Which is pretty on point for the comic series.
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Far as I know he only smiled at Sam Alexander...
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Yeah, this is the Spiderverse for the entire MCU, definitely.
What If...? predates the Spiderverse by several decades. Calling the show the MCU Spiderverse is like saying Tony Stark is the old Ruri Williams.
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Yeah, this is the Spiderverse for the entire MCU, definitely.What If...? predates the Spiderverse by several decades. Calling the show the MCU Spiderverse is like saying Tony Stark is the old Ruri Williams.
I was talking more along the lines of producing a multiverse concept animated film/show in a semi-comic book style. Again I am really hoping for a fair amount of levity in the show as that's really where Marvel has done well over the last decade, injecting humor and "fun" into stories that could otherwise end up being REALLY dark or gritty.
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I think I am more pumped for this than anything else in Phase 4.
Now all we need is a What The--?! series. ;)
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I think I am more pumped for this than anything else in Phase 4.
Now all we need is a What The--?! series. ;)
Drax: "I've got a better suggestion: a "Why The--?!" series!
DQ,
We only get that if we get Howard the Duck and DP sharing multiversal/cosmic sense/awareness with the rest of us.
Also I think this What If series will have some comedic elements, but not like all the way through.
DQ,
We only get that if we get Howard the Duck and DP sharing multiversal/cosmic sense/awareness with the rest of us.
Also I think this What If series will have some comedic elements, but not like all the way through.
Well Howard will be in it, voiced by Seth Green, IIRC, so...
I know but that doesn't make this into What the??
Thomas, I never was seriously suggesting the current planned series should be made into a parody. I jokingly said it would be fun to have a separate What The--?! series, you made what I thought was joking comment back about what that would take for you, and I noted lighheartedly you have half your wish. I feel like we've made a wrong turn at Albuquerque somewhere. I'm not sure where to go from here.
As an aside, I believe What The--?! comics predate Deadpool, though I could be wrong. At least he doesn't show up in the issue I own.
My only requirement for a What The--?! series is that everyone is animated with Hembeck knees.
DQ,
I tend to fail my humor checks. Like a goodly amount. Also I misread your intent. Mostly because I wasn't sure how seriously you wanted that series into a Disney+ series.
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No worries. Just got confused, and I too was struggling to read tone. As often happens on the Internet. Though in my defense I did put a winky face by my initial comment. :)
In seriousness, a parody series might be fun at some point, but it's not a personal priority.
What If? I am totally pumped for. Mainly for Captain Carter, but the rest looks pretty cool too.
Captain Britian is a good part of the reason I want to see What If, but I also wouldn't mind if they did a What If where Killmonger joins the Avengers and fights in the Leipzig-Halle Airport. I mean it MIGHT happen...
If we get 'What The--?!' does that mean we get Cookies and Cream? I think they were in that series.
Eh.. maybe?
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Well Howard will be in it, voiced by Seth Green, IIRC, so...DQ,
We only get that if we get Howard the Duck and DP sharing multiversal/cosmic sense/awareness with the rest of us.
Also I think this What If series will have some comedic elements, but not like all the way through.
Well I'm interested now.
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Fuuuuuuuuuuuu&@##! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
I may or may not have more coherent comments later. Right now I have mint condition Captain Carter cards to collect.
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Fuuuuuuuuuuuu&@##! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
I may or may not have more coherent comments later. Right now I have mint condition Captain Carter cards to collect.
The INSTANT I saw her, my DeathQuaker Alarm went off.
Man, this thing pays for itself.
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I thought this first episode was a pretty solid way to start off such a potentially epic series. Great animation. Solid story.
My only dislike (if you can call it that) was....
Some other notes:
I really like Ross Marquand taking over as Red Skull back in the movies, so I was glad to see him providing the voice here. I'm hoping we get to see more of him.
It seems in that world, it's possible Bucky never even got experimented on. So I guess he won't become the Winter Soldier.
It might be interesting to revisit that particular world and see how some of the MCU Avengers movies would have turned out from a Captain Carter standpoint. Though I hope they maybe save that for future seasons.
All in all, I had high hopes, and was not disappointed.
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What If rules.
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This show was a ton of fun! I loved the first episode.
My only minor quibble is more a matter of personal taste... I didn't dig the animation style. It appears to me like it's CG that's trying to look like it was rotoscoped...and I've never been a big fan of rotoscoping.
On the plus side, the animation technique did give it an almost dream-like quality, which did underscore the whole premise of the show.
And shout-out to the voice cast! In particular, Josh Keaton did a spot-on Chris Evans impersonation. I have a mild form of face blindness, but I can usually compensate because I've been told I'm uncannily good at recognizing people by their voice... and I was really surprised to see in the credits that Evans hadn't voiced Steve Rogers.
I liked this a lot better than caps we have to crash the ship in the ice for reasons.
I was wondering if this was the original idea for captain america movie
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I have important things to do, and possibly intelligent things to say, but instead I decided to address my sense the one thing this episode was missing was a good Captain Carter propaganda song, and fix it:
(To the tune of "Rosie the Riveter"):
Thanks to the science of the SSR
She's carrying the Allied army far!
She's working for victory and making history
Captain! (Rat-a-tat-tat) Carter!
With her mighty shield she can sabotage
All the Nazis' plans, puttin' 'em in triage
She's not frail anymore, it's her the boys adore
Captain! (Rat-a-tat-tat) Carter!
Carter's got a boyfriend, Stevie
Stevie he's been 4Fed
Carter is protecting Stevie
Workin' overtime fightin' the SS
When they gave her the SSR's serum
She grew proud and tall--look at those guns!
There's something true about, red, white, and blue about
Captain! (Rat-a-tat-tat) Carter!
Carter and the Hydra Stomper, they're a sight
Drivin' back the enemy with all their might
Steve now he's in the war, with the gal that he adores:
Captain! (Rat-a-tat-tat) Carter!
Hydra's champion will soon spawn
Carter's true fight now begins
Be sure to go buy some war bonds
To help Captain Carter secure our win!
Senator Brandt, who was in the know
Had to say these words on the radio
Berlin will hear about, Moscow will cheer about
Captain (ah ha!), Carter (Ha ha!)
Captain Carter, our Hero!
Nice tune, DQ.
Wolf, interesting to note, on Earth-65 (home of Spider-Gwen) HER Captain America (a female Sam Wilson) got swept up in dimensional shenanigans too.
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This episode was amazing. Given the run time I can forgive the pacing being a little frantic. You can't condense a larger movie into half an hour without moving quick. Some of the action sequences fell a little self-indulgent, but I don't consider that a bad thing. PLenty of laugh out loud moments.
This episode was amazing. Given the run time I can forgive the pacing being a little frantic.
Yeah, it did feel a little condensed, but I still thought it was great. I'm glad they are still utilizing Haley Atwell. I really enjoyed the Agent Carter series, and this episode had a lot of the same feel, primarily driven by the attitude Atwell gives Carter.
I actually wasn’t a big fan of the Steve Rogers performance. The actor grabbed one tonal note from Chris Evans and ran with it. I wish they’d given him the room to move beyond Evans pastiche, because it made the whole performance seem rather one note.
He was down in the range Evans uses when he’s being quiet and earnest which doesn’t quite work. It’d be like if every line of dialogue in First Avenger was delivered with the same intonation as “I had a date” from the ending.
The reinterpretation of Red Skull was much stronger, taking notes from both Weaving and the more ethereal ghostly performance given in Infinty War/Endgame - the actor found a place that was uniquely his own.
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Finally ran into time and watched the episode. Overall, very well done. Peggy made a great replacement for Cap, but she did it in her own style. That's an important element to all this, that while she got the powers (and her first outing was great), she was still herself: determined, courageous, and ready to fight the good fight in a world that thought she was supposed to stand around and look pretty.
I'd love to see a series based around her in the modern day as Captain Carter. The Avengers would form rather differently, and imagine her response to the Sokovia Accords!
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Finally ran into time and watched the episode. Overall, very well done. Peggy made a great replacement for Cap, but she did it in her own style. That's an important element to all this, that while she got the powers (and her first outing was great), she was still herself: determined, courageous, and ready to fight the good fight in a world that thought she was supposed to stand around and look pretty.
I'd love to see a series based around her in the modern day as Captain Carter. The Avengers would form rather differently, and imagine her response to the Sokovia Accords!
Also, how would SHIELD be different without Peggy to help found it?
Maybe they'll do a comic book series about Captain Carter...
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Yeah, the implications how this changes things really unfold quite differently. I wonder if the other episodes are going to be like that in that respect as well--jogging additional "what ifs?" as you think about further impacts on the world.
In this one...
- They captured Zola much earlier, so the Commandos were never experimented on and Bucky never becomes the Winter Soldier. Which means he probably lives a fairly normal life (though probably works for SHIELD or something similar). ((As an aside, I kind of feel sorry for "our" Steve--if he were to find out all it would take for Bucky to probably live on to a happy life was him never becoming Cap....))
- It also means Bucky does not kill Howard. Maybe Howard dies some other way, possibly at Hydra's hands, but the when and how shifts, and thus this also shifts Tony's life quite a bit.
- It also means that if the Sokovia Accords happen, Bucky is not there to be used as a scapegoat for the explosion in Geneva. Does Zemo find another lynchpin to help divide the Avengers, or do events go down very differently?
- And this world has a spinoff that is just called "the Falcon and the."
- Neither Peggy NOR Chester Phillips are there to help found SHIELD--of the three original founders from "our" MCU, only Howard is left. If SHIELD is founded at all, do Flynn (boo) and Rogers (yay) replace Phillips' and Peggy's roles respectively?
- How does Steve, Bucky, and the Commandos' presence in SHIELD alter things, if anything?
- Does this impact Hydra's infiltration of SHIELD at all? Is it better due to Rogers' vigilance? Or worse due to Flynn's incompetence? Or Howard's greed?
- Steve with all his health problems probably dies far sooner than "our" Peggy dies, so Captain Carter is less likely to be able to visit him or go to his funeral (on the upshot this means that she is not distracted by his funeral around the time of the Sokovia Accords).
- Seeing that the Hydra Stomper can be powered by a source other than the Tesseract, even if only briefly, does this lead to Howard focusing on developing more mech suits and power sources more efficiently than he does in "our" world? Does SHIELD become an army of power-armored heroes?
- I'm going to hazard a guess that the Tesseract being a proven power source still gets used in Project Pegasus and thus Captain Marvel's story probably doesn't change much, but does it get used in other research as well?
- How is the life and times of Tony get changed? Does he grow up hearing constant stories about Captain Carter and still feel jealous? Does he have more issues or fewer ones because his father's death may be different? What changes in Howard's trajectory impact Tony's? Is he an inheritor of an Iron Man suit rather than its creator?
- The Red Skull is killed by Shuma Gorath rather than blipped off to Vormir, so who is the caretaker of the Soul Stone?
- Captain Carter comes through the portal that Loki comes out of in Avengers so where is Loki and does the Chitauri invasion even happen? If no, what might happen in its place?
- Using Agent Carter continuity to fill in some gaps, will Peggy shocked to learn her thought-dead brother has a granddaughter Sharon? How has Sharon's life been different since Peggy wasn't there while she was growing up to inspire her--or was she inspired by her in different ways?
- Does a possibly more well-adjusted Tony Stark even try to create Ultron? Does that mean that instead we get a big fight simply between the Avengers and the Maximoff Twins who are doing something else evil for Hydra, perhaps something to do with a fight for the Mind Stone? And therefore does that mean Sokovia does not (literally) fall, or does it just get wrecked in some other way?
- And if there's no Ultron, there's no Vision....
- How (as Lathiira notes) do the Sokovia Accords pan out? Who is for or against? Steve refused to sign because he feared governmental agendas and was too honest to sign knowing he might have to plan to go against orders (at least that seemed to be why he didn't sign to me, even though he broke rules in TFA?). Peggy on the other hand really seems to be the type to beg forgiveness than ask permission and would likely tactically choose signing but plan to break the rules the moment they give her orders she doesn't like, and then deal with the consequences afterward. She would try to go with the government backing so as to not have to be on the lam AND try to save the world at once, but would accept the consequences of being kicked out later if things didn't go well.
- One could go on from there but it creates more and more guesswork so I'll just stop here.
Agent Carter TV show alternate history bonus round:
- In the "Hydra Stomper Rogers" side-universe, how does he help Howard when Howard is framed, given Steve isn't the same sort of covert operative Peggy was?
- Do Steve and Jarvis become BFFs?
- Does Steve Brooklyn-charm Dottie Underwood and ultimately develop a friendship with her a la our Steve's friendship with Natasha, or does Dottie unceremoniously shiv him for the glory of Stalin?
- Most importantly, what does Steve's dream sequence musical number look like? (And is he still just trying to choose between whether he dates Sousa or Wilkes? [and/or low-key Angie or Dottie?] ;) )
Wait, DQ...are we SURE that was Shummy?
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Based on other internet banter, role played, and future plans for the character, I think it's highly likely, but you should still take it as educated speculation.
DQ,
Okay. I was curious. Maybe that means we might get Conan to show up down the road...
DQ,
Okay. I was curious. Maybe that means we might get Conan to show up down the road...
Far more likely that it simply shows up as a Doctor Strange villain.
This said, I was going to argue that Marvel does not have the rights to Conan, but apparently they regained the rights two years ago. I'd be surprised however that if they did a Conan movie it would be tied into the MCU but who the heck knows?
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When Skull mentions mid-episode something about summoning a champion for Hydra, I was kind of hoping he was going to try to summon Thor, whom he might regard as the Aryan demigod of his own might-makes-right beliefs.
And then we could have even more of a WW2 Avengers team up!
Maybe they'll do a comic book series about Captain Carter...
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This said, I was going to argue that Marvel does not have the rights to Conan, but apparently they regained the rights two years ago. I'd be surprised however that if they did a Conan movie it would be tied into the MCU but who the heck knows?
Yeah, Marvel regained the comic book rights and they’ve been making good use of that. They’ve still got Conan the Barbarian running, and had Savage Sword of Conan going for awhile. They’ve also got a time-traveling Conan as a regular in Savage Avengers.
I don’t think Disney owns any of the film or TV rights, however. Last I heard, it was some other company and they were planning something for Netflix.
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And in other DeathQuaker approved news: Director of first episode of What If is lobbying for a Captain Carter live action movie.