How deep would i have to play up the worship of torag in order to qualify for divine fighting techniques?

[Malik Gyan Daumantas]

For context, here's the thread talking about what i've been working on
https://paizo.com/threads/rzs43ets?Can-someone-review-this-Battle-Host-Occu ltist#6

Long story short i know Gorum's Divine fighting technique would be perfect for this build, but i wonder how much i have to adhere to his worship.

Do i need to go in his name, or do i can be more of a passive worshiper and just really enjoy fighting?

[Lelomenia]

Quote:

Divine fighting techniques emulate the martial supremacy and approach to combat of certain gods, but do not generally require users’ interests and goals to be aligned with the techniques’ associated deities.

Although each deity’s divine fighting technique is primarily preserved and passed on by her faithful, worship is not required to learn one.

don’t need to worship or support the deity at all.

[Malik Gyan Daumantas]

Lelomenia wrote:

Quote:

Divine fighting techniques emulate the martial supremacy and approach to combat of certain gods, but do not generally require users’ interests and goals to be aligned with the techniques’ associated deities.

Although each deity’s divine fighting technique is primarily preserved and passed on by her faithful, worship is not required to learn one.

don’t need to worship or support the deity at all.

Wait where did you find this quote? Cause that runs in stark contract to this.

https://www.aonprd.com/FeatDisplay.aspxItemName=Divine%20Fighting%20Techniq ue

Quote:

Prerequisites: Must worship a single patron deity that has an established divine fighting technique.

Benefit: You can use your patron deity’s fighting technique and receive any benefit associated with that technique for which you qualify, as described in the Divine Fighting Techniques section below.

[Lelomenia]

Malik Gyan Daumantas wrote:

Lelomenia wrote:

Quote:

Divine fighting techniques emulate the martial supremacy and approach to combat of certain gods, but do not generally require users’ interests and goals to be aligned with the techniques’ associated deities.

Although each deity’s divine fighting technique is primarily preserved and passed on by her faithful, worship is not required to learn one.

don’t need to worship or support the deity at all.

Wait where did you find this quote? Cause that runs in stark contract to this.

https://www.aonprd.com/FeatDisplay.aspxItemName=Divine%20Fighting%20Techniq ue

Quote:

Prerequisites: Must worship a single patron deity that has an established divine fighting technique.

Benefit: You can use your patron deity’s fighting technique and receive any benefit associated with that technique for which you qualify, as described in the Divine Fighting Techniques section below.

it was d20pfsrd, so i would say your link is correct, but i’m sure the d20pfsrd is just quoting a Paizo source..i’ll look.

[Firebug]

First, you can format links using [url=][/url].

Short version, there are two sources for that feat.

One which says you don't have to be a worshiper and one that does. The one that doesn't is from Weapon Master's Handbook (2015, which has Gorum) and the that does is from Divine Anthology (2016, does not have Gorum). Typically, and I think this is the logic the online sources are using, that a newer version of a game element with different language is the official one.

In the games I've played (mostly PFS) you can have one mechanical deity but can say whatever you want (though it may require a bluff check). IE, you can only mechanically (traits, feats, etc) benefit from a single deity but you can RP you worship all of them.

[Lelomenia]

So, answer is Divine Fighting Technique is in two different sources with different rules text. In weapon master’s handbook, we have the description i quoted and:

Quote:

Prerequisite: Same alignment as chosen deity.

Benefit: Select a deity. You can use that deity’s fighting technique and receive any benefit for which you qualify, as described in the Divine Fighting Techniques section below.

Special: You can gain this feat multiple times. Each time you take this feat, it applies to a new deity’s divine fighting technique.

nethys uses the language from the Divine Anthology. I would say if you want to use a Divine Anthology technique, you should meet the Divine Anthology prereq.

(I acknowledge that this post largely repeats firebug’s post above)

[Malik Gyan Daumantas]

Firebug wrote:

First, you can format links using [url=][/url].

Short version, there are two sources for that feat.

One which says you don't have to be a worshiper and one that does. The one that doesn't is from Weapon Master's Handbook (2015, which has Gorum) and the that does is from Divine Anthology (2016, does not have Gorum). Typically, and I think this is the logic the online sources are using, that a newer version of a game element with different language is the official one.

In the games I've played (mostly PFS) you can have one mechanical deity but can say whatever you want (though it may require a bluff check). IE, you can only mechanically (traits, feats, etc) benefit from a single deity but you can RP you worship all of them.

So I would have to be a worshiper of gorum mechanically, but in terms of RP and the like it can be very casual. is that about right?

[Firebug]

Malik Gyan Daumantas wrote:

So I would have to be a worshiper of gorum mechanically, but in terms of RP and the like it can be very casual. is that about right?

Sure? I mean, ask your GM. That was just my experience.

[VoodistMonk]

Yeah, just invoke Gorum's name any time you have to use your muscles, and you should be fine. Or just yell Gorum's name when you use Vital Strike on a charge with a Greatsword. Doesn't have to be a zealot.

[Mysterious Stranger]

If you really enjoy fighting you are already more than halfway to being a worshiper of Gorum. He has no real interests outside of battle so all you really need do is solve all your problems with a sword and you are following his teachings. Be brash impulsive and take what you want by force and you are the perfect follower of Gorum. When you start solving your problems with diplomacy and guile, you straying from his teachings.

The most sincere form of worship is living your life as your deity would. A lot of deities Gorum in particular are more interested in the actions of their followers than their words. The character who is always talking about their deity, but never follows the deities teachings is not really worshiping the god.

So in conclusion be a bully and you will just fine. But remember the god in question is chaotic neutral so have some leeway if you don’t want to be a total jerk.

[Malik Gyan Daumantas]

Mysterious Stranger wrote:

If you really enjoy fighting you are already more than halfway to being a worshiper of Gorum. He has no real interests outside of battle so all you really need do is solve all your problems with a sword and you are following his teachings. Be brash impulsive and take what you want by force and you are the perfect follower of Gorum. When you start solving your problems with diplomacy and guile, you straying from his teachings.

The most sincere form of worship is living your life as your deity would. A lot of deities Gorum in particular are more interested in the actions of their followers than their words. The character who is always talking about their deity, but never follows the deities teachings is not really worshiping the god.

So in conclusion be a bully and you will just fine. But remember the god in question is chaotic neutral so have some leeway if you don’t want to be a total jerk.

Yeah the character i have in mind would be good aligned so chaotic good, They love fighting and general roughhousing but aren't gonna push around people who can't take it. So they will gladly take up a sword against people who deserve it.

I imagine a gorumite, if they had to would go for more subtle intimidation, implying things could get really messy if they didn't back off. They'd be the nice bully, the big bully that keeps the lesser ones in line. The one that enjoys barfights but will protect the town when it comes down to it.

[Hugo Rune]

For what it's worth, IMC you would have to be a member of the Church's organisation, a congregant (lowest level) at the least to qualify for a feat like that.

[Mysterious Stranger]

If you are Chaotic Good that may be a problem. At least one version of the feat has a prerequisite of the same alignment as the deity. Hero Lab uses the one with the alignment requirement. If that one is being used even a cleric one step removed from his deity would not qualify.

Pretty much at this point is going to be an Ask your GM situation.