You notice all these titles deal with home... I mean what is that?
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You notice all these titles deal with home... I mean what is that?
A clever theme that's a far more engaging set of titles than Spiderman, Spiderman 2, and Spiderman 3?
Something to tie early marketing into to start promoting the movie with a title reveal long before they're ready to release a trailer?
A secret code to the Skrull observing from orbit?
Something to occupy the spoiler prone Tom Holland with so he doesn't let slip more important plots, reveals and secrets about the movie?
Either way, it's fun.
I guess any of those might work...but it still seems weird since all I got for my Thor movies was Dark World and Ragnarok. (Though Love and Thunder is looking very cool...)
Mark,
Hell I'd see that first one if only because maybe it would lead into the Pet Avengers. Throg! Lockjaw! Zabu! Redwing! Lockheed! Hairball!
"Hello Peter"
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Stephen Strange had a callous disregard for the consequences of tinkering with forces he doesn’t fully understand? You don’t say.
I am shocked, I say, shocked to discover such a thing.
This is a very new to his job Stephen Strange. Much less experience than Wong and any of the other sorcerers.
Well, when one stops an extra-dimensional entity cold and one's follow-up uneffs the cosmic effery of the Infinity Gauntlet as the second outing...
Yeah, one might be tempted to be godlike again.
Easy.
The people Peter was worried about not remembering created a loophole in the ritual. Peter in the Sony-verse worried about Dr. Octavius
Remember, Strange effectively has root with the Time Stone. Even if he doesn't have it, he still has insights into several million iterations of Reality.
Experience was never an impediment to Dr. Strange arrogantly screwing up the entire world before.
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A few things I noticed or thought from the trailer:
1) Why was Peter being interrogated about Mysterio's murder, presumably in NYC by some form of local or federal authorities? Since Mysterio died in London, wouldn't it be out of any US jurisdiction? I wonder if this is how Peter's lawyer (hopefully Matt Murdock) will get him out?
2) While sure, Dr. Strange is more than capable of screwing things up on his own, the fact that he seems to so blithely take Peter's request, when he should know better (right after Infinity War/Endgame) made me wonder: what if it isn't Dr Strange at all? Doesn't Mephisto have a history in Spiderman of changing the past in ways which aren't really too good for Peter? With the hints dropped in Wandavision that Mephisto might have been involved (which seemingly turned out to not be true), the idea of Mephisto being involved in MCU might be planted already, and with the post credit scene in Wandvision suggesting something (possibly Mephisto, who knows) is involved with the spirits of her not yet existing children from the show, and Wanda showing up in the next Dr Strange movie,which is the one right after Spiderman, then connecting all 3 with Mephisto doesn't seem completely bonkers of an idea. It also wouldn't be the first time a Spiderman MCU movie had an ally turn out to be someone else entirely in disguise.
3) as for why Doc Oct knows who Peter is, presumably after the Dr Strange spell erased "everyone's" knowledge of it, it could be that the spell was limited to the main MCU timeline, but when the multiverse intrudes with characters from other Spiderman movie series, that people from other timeilnes/universes weren't affected by the spell, so the only people who still know Peter is Spiderman are those from other timelines entirely.
4) even if the spell works as described, would there have been ANY exclusions, not just the ones Peter mentioned? Happy Hogan and Pepper Potts not knowing would change things quite a bit, and it wasn't clear if any other Avengers knew his identity. Would Dr Strange himself forget?
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The movies have made it pretty clear that the US and superheroes (and the writers in general) have a pretty inconsistent grasp of international jurisdiction.
1) Why was Peter being interrogated about Mysterio's murder, presumably in NYC by some form of local or federal authorities? Since Mysterio died in London, wouldn't it be out of any US jurisdiction?
Fair point.
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A few things I noticed or thought from the trailer:
2) While sure, Dr. Strange is more than capable of screwing things up on his own, the fact that he seems to so blithely take Peter's request, when he should know better (right after Infinity War/Endgame) made me wonder: what if it isn't Dr Strange at all? Doesn't Mephisto have a history in Spiderman of changing the past in ways which aren't really too good for Peter? With the hints dropped in Wandavision that Mephisto might have been involved (which seemingly turned out to not be true), the idea of Mephisto being involved in MCU might be planted already, and with the post credit scene in Wandvision suggesting something (possibly Mephisto, who knows) is involved with the spirits of her not yet existing children from the show, and Wanda showing up in the next Dr Strange movie,which is the one right after Spiderman, then connecting all 3 with Mephisto doesn't seem completely bonkers of an idea. It also wouldn't be the first time a Spiderman MCU movie had an ally turn out to be someone else entirely in disguise.
OOOH! I just realized that in one of the scenes with Peter being surrounded by a mob of angry protestors about him, there's one holding a sign which says "devil in disguise" and peter's picture with classic devil horns and mustache! Could be a "bad wolf" like clue that there actually IS a devil in disguise in the movie!
So, the whole scene where Peter is explaining to "...Stephen..." what sort of magic he's hoping for seems to have lost a lot of context as they condensed the scene for the trailer. I wouldn't put too much effort into explaining away Dr. Strange's motivations for casting the spell or if it's characteristic of him until more (or all!) of the scene is released.
All I know is I got some very One More Day vibes...and I'm not sure that's a good start.
thejeff,
At least this isn't the Clone Saga...that's about the only real selling point other than it's more What IF than One More Day...kind of.
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2) While sure, Dr. Strange is more than capable of screwing things up on his own, the fact that he seems to so blithely take Peter's request, when he should know better
Why should Dr. Strange "know better?" He didn't know better when he wove the spell that removed memories of The Sentry form everyone in the world - twice. That happened after he had been in the role of Sorcerer Supreme for decades. He didn't know better when he removed memories of Peter Parker's identity from everyone in the world after Civil War.
Why should this version of Strange be less arrogant and more cautious than the version in the source material?
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I feel like that logic is a little strained. If his role in this is to introduce the Spider-verse corner of the Multiverse and set up Multiverse of Madness, then he is being used by the film "editorial" to change something.
Why should we consider him doing the same thing in the films that he has done in the comics as being something he should "know better" than to do or somehow out of character?
All I know is I'm glad there's not going to be a Clone Saga...
Who says there won’t be an MCU version of the clone saga?
I mean....I HOPE that it doesn't happen, but it if does, I'd prefer something better than "Peter Parker isn't Peter Parker."
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The trailer really has me looking forward to this movie. Since it looks like there could be several villains, maybe Doctor Strange can summon some help to “Defend” the city and the wall crawler.
That would be another cool way to tie in Daredevil!
One thing I'd honestly like to see is, when Andrew Garfield shows up, it's both him and the Rhino, finishing the fight we never got to see in Amazing Spidey 2.
Tector, not sure I want that fight back...
Tector, not sure I want that fight back...
It's more to lampshade how much it appeared in the advertising compared to how it basically didn't even happen in the movie.
Kinda like I wouldn't mind the other two ribbing Maguire-Peter for his ... ahem... "smooth" dancing.
Tector,
Yeah I'd enjoy that tremendously if Holland and Garfield did that...
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I had a cool thought - if Daredevil is in No Way Home, then that potentially means that within days or weeks of its release, Disney could announce a Daredevil TV show. They've made it clear that they are going to heavily intertwine movies and TV shows in the MCU going forwards, and they've also had a similar, soon after airing announcement with the Captain America 4 movie.
Joel,
We can hope, but so far there's no strong/firm confirmation that ANY sign of DD is showing up in this movie. That being said...it's entirely possible. I mean we're getting Moon Knight...
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The main problem set up in the previous film wasn’t so much that his real identity was revealed, it was that he was framed for Mysterio’s murder and painted as a cold blooded murderer. At the top of the list of people calling him a cold blooded killer is JJJ, who unfortunately has a lot of followers apparently willi g to blindly beleive whatever nonsence he spouts (sound familiar?)
So, while everyone knows his real identity, half of those people hate him because they think he is a murderer deserving of hard prison time or worse.
That really Peter’s main problem
Mark,
While I LIKE Ben, never thought of him as revolutionary in terms of him being Spider-man or any of the other versions. Aunt May dying...didn't hit me that much. May Parker's death...different story. Died before she ever even got out into the world....
Not just the end, but also the beginning too. I mean if you haven't been following the internet....
