I WISH you were all furry animals (mass polymorph) reasonable use for spell?

[Senko]

I'm just wondering since there's no mass polymorph I can see would it be reasonable to use wish to turn a large group of people into animals? Say a village of a few dozen people tried to burn you at the stake could you use wish to turn them all into various animals (on the polymorph spell) with each individual saving against transformation? Essentially adding multiple targets to the spell of some number and allowing it to affect unwilling people with a save?

[Cavall]

Suddenly Senko realized too late that wooly mammoths are quite furry.

[Senko]

Cavall wrote:

Suddenly Senko realized too late that wooly mammoths are quite furry.

Oh no I knew they were furry as are horses and girrafes and probably a lot of other critters in pathfinder. Hence why I said "I WISH you were all furry animals" not "I wish you were all SMALL furry animals."

[Gilfalas]

Cavall wrote:

Suddenly Senko realized too late that wooly mammoths are quite furry.

So are Woolly Rhino's, Smilodons and pretty much every land apex predator in the animal kingdom.

[Senko]

Anyway animal biology aside would the wish work?

[Cavall]

Senko wrote:

Anyway animal biology aside would the wish work?

How would I know? I'm just a giraffe

[TxSam88]

Hold person is a 3rd level Wizard spell, Mass Hold person is a 7th level wizard, an increase of 4 levels

Polymorph is a 5th level Wizard spell, Mass polymorph would most likely be a 9th level Wizard Spell if it existed and followed the same level boost

Wish can only duplicate Wizard Spells of 7th level or less, so while it is entirely up to DM discretion, I would rule that no, it will not work.

[Davor Firetusk]

Wish goes up to 8th level wizard spells by rule, but the general pattern is that a mass version of a spell adds 4 levels. So its in that territory of somewhat gray, but you are arguably asking a little more out of a wish than it could do normally. So I would also consider whether or not the huge material component cost helps rebalance that, is it a PC or villain casting? And in either event is there some other little catch that might go along with that wish since you are pushing the boundary.

[Artofregicide]

You can roll the bones with GM interpretation (very risky) or I'm pretty sure there's a hilarious mass baleful polymorph mythic option.

But I want to ask about the context, because having a Circe-esque vendetta is always good.

[Senko]

Well wish does use a 25k diammond which is a very expensive material component whereas polymorph just needs a bit of the creature e.g. fur.

Artofregicide wrote:

You can roll the bones with GM interpretation (very risky) or I'm pretty sure there's a hilarious mass baleful polymorph mythic option.

But I want to ask about the context, because having a Circe-esque vendetta is always good.

I was watching a little hope (game) playthrough and it got me pondering witch trials with a pathfinder style mage who responds by turning the village into animals as punishment for trying to burn them at the stake. Then when I went looking for mass polymorph there was nothing so I was curious if wish could do that.

Was avoiding baleful because I want their minds to remain so they're aware of the punishment. Hmmm mythic does affect everything with 8 hit die or less in a 1 mile radius which is impressive if bigger than I am aiming for. I just want to hit the villagers around the fire not the tinker going about their business elsewhere.

The durations also a pain only 1 min/level thought it was longer as I had the 3.5 polymorph any object table in my head.

[Bjørn Røyrvik]

I would allow it. I might even allow 2e polymorph durations if the targets were basically inconsequential NPCs.

[dr. kekyll]

I might allow it as a GM, but I would rather just have you research mass polymorph as a 9th level spell.

[Senko]

I admit I had it in my head polymorph was a 3rd level spell (not sure why) when I made the topic.

Researching mass polymorph and polymorph any object would probably be better options. I do miss the permanent durations any object offered for if you matched things closely enough.

[dr. kekyll]

I can think of limitations that might convince me to allow this as a lower level effect. You might want to look into that. A short enough range and long enough casting time that it's not really practical in combat would convince me to allow a lower than 9-th level version of a multiperson polymorph. I'm not sure how much lower. That depends on how else it was limited. Would it be an indiscriminate area of effect or # of targets no two of which can be x-ft. apart? What size/number of targets? Things like that could justify lowering the level.

[Senko]

Oh I'm fine with 9th lvl mass polymorph.

[Sysryke]

This thread made me misread and giggle like mad at a road sign the other night. Preface, I have absolutely nothing against any Jewish people.

Road sign mentioned the name of a Rabbi. All I could think though, was "I WISH all Rabbi's had a little 't' added." . . . . . Bunnies in Synagogues across the land. :p