Help negotiating with a Planar Ally


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Before you read any further, this post is about the Wrath of the Righteous campaign, and more specifically the final book. I will do my very best to avoid any possible spoilers, but if you haven't yet played the ap and do not want any potential spoilers no matter how small I suggest you not read further.

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Story background details and potential spoilers for book 5 and 6 of Wrath of the Righteous:

Okay, that out of the way: Our party has made it through to the final book of the adventure path, I am playing a LG Cleric 6/Medium 2/ Occultist 1/Evangelist 9 Guardian/Marshal combat caster. The idea of the character is large health pool, large AC, spells to enhance the entire party, and a massive pool of mythic points that can be used to surge allies failures. In the most recent fight against an extremely powerful mythic caster with full melee capabilities (the end boss of book 5) he failed miserably and at one point was -776 hp. Since he sees himself as the spiritual and tactical leader of the party, he's decided he needs to ramp things up a bit. One of the ways he wants to do so is through calling a Planetar, the most powerful outsider he can, to aid the party in their fight against the remaining legions of the abyss. He can easily make an oath to slay dozens of powerful demons and powerful worshipers of demons, and can easily swear oaths to protect the angel from any death he can foresee (Mythic Deathless, Contingency, Word of Recall, etc) through access to 9th level divine spells and 7th level arcane spells.

What I need are methods, magical items, specific oaths, any other ideas that a 5 charisma character can use to somehow manage to convince an angel that fighting what could potentially be the Demon Lord Deskari himself isn't simple suicide.


Honestly, this going to vary with your GM.

Like personally, your summoning an ALLY who is an LG ANGEL to help you kill demons. That's their normal day job. And your asking basically the most powerful angel you can to help you, by doing his normal job.

The both of you are probably on a first name basis with the god you worship/serve. You're probably friends. If I were your GM, it'd basically be a conversation of "You'll be sure to find a way to bring me back if I die right?" "Sure" "Then let's go!"

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This seems like a fairly bad idea for the Planetar: Remember he/she isn't mythic and should be relatively under-powered compared to the party and your foes.

How are you getting access to a 'Planar Ally, Greater' spell? Offhand, I can see combining the 'Touched by Divinity' trait with the Tactics(War) subdomain getting this spell for you, as you should be limited to 7th level cleric spells by my math (Cleric 6 + 8 from Evangelist's Aligned Class = 14th level, leaving 8th level spells just out of reach).


Taja the Barbarian wrote:

This seems like a fairly bad idea for the Planetar: Remember he/she isn't mythic and should be relatively under-powered compared to the party and your foes.

How are you getting access to a 'Planar Ally, Greater' spell? Offhand, I can see combining the 'Touched by Divinity' trait with the Tactics(War) subdomain getting this spell for you, as you should be limited to 7th level cleric spells by my math (Cleric 6 + 8 from Evangelist's Aligned Class = 14th level, leaving 8th level spells just out of reach).

Mostly through a Gm ruling that Prestigious Spellcaster and it's feat tax work for Evangelist, even though they don't as written.

His stance is that it is a mythic campaign, and anything we do he can do too.

I should have made that clear.

Claxon wrote:

Honestly, this going to vary with your GM.

Like personally, your summoning an ALLY who is an LG ANGEL to help you kill demons. That's their normal day job. And your asking basically the most powerful angel you can to help you, by doing his normal job.

The both of you are probably on a first name basis with the god you worship/serve. You're probably friends. If I were your GM, it'd basically be a conversation of "You'll be sure to find a way to bring me back if I die right?" "Sure" "Then let's go!"

Is there such a way? I thought that once a called outsider died it was gone for good, because outsiders don't have mortal souls.

I don't even know if "Wish" or "Miracle" would do it.

My current thought is that I'll promise to not expect the planetar to fight a demon lord himself and that I'll do everything I can to prevent his death even at the potential cost of my own.

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