Is this possible?


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I want to make a Transformer PC in Pathfinder. I'm leaning towards Starscream as he's my favorite character. But Optimus Prime would be good as well.

Obviously I want to be able to switch into a vehicle mode. But I don't know if it's even possible. Is it?

For race, there's the obvious Android. And I think there's another construct race of some kind.


There's object possession spells. They don't change your shape but let you control one like an animated object. I suppose stone shape or wood shape would let you reshape an object.

There's no reason you couldn't make an object which has two different shapes which it locks into and for such an object to have different properties when controlled in different shapes. So long as the motive force is magic the shapes don't need to be especially practical.

Alternatively, if you look at an android or wyrwood (your second construct race) and then specialise in buffs and shapeshifting you could then fluff those as growing wheels when you move fast or something.

For another alternative there was a variant druid in D&D 3.5 (in Cityscape IIRC) which could wild shape into constructs.


Hm....


Is there any other way this could be possible? Classes, feats, spells? I'm even learning Spheres thanks to my current group, so I'm open to those.


Synthesist summoner and spells like transmogrify and evolution surge? It's not technically compatible with the construct caller archetype, but you might get the GM to agree, or you might be satisfied with it anyway.

Transforming into an elemental probably gives you more room to refluff. This can be done several ways in standard PF and via the alteration sphere/shifter class in SoP.

The technician class in SoM can make inventions including power armor. There's a variation on the armorist (SoP) which can summon inventions if you want to change out quickly, but I'm not sure how high level you'd need to be to do this effectively.

Brigh's second exalted boon makes you partly construct. You could get this by 11th level with the exalted PrC, and it might make buff/polymorph fluff more convincing as in my previous post. The promethean oracle curse would work similarly and at a lower level but obviously requires you to be an oracle.

Construct armor is a thing. An expensive thing so high level, but still. It can be removed as a swift action and donned as a full round action if you want to swap between constructs.


How far afield do you want to go mechanically?
A refluffed Syntehsist Summoner is probably the easiest route to go.
Using PF-based mecha rules will require a lot more work. I would suggest getting hold of d20 Mecha, the Guardians of Order version. Simple rules to build a wide variety of things and I think it should be easily enough adapted to PF (been a while since I read through it)


Taking notes.


Should have said the Dream Pod 9 deluxe version of d20 Mecha, not GOO. Mixed them up.


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(Where anything is possible)

I'd make this as a Alter-Ego Vigilante

Your android body would be your "pilot/core" and the Conjuration sphere summon is your battle mode with atleast Avian Form and Constructed Type.

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I was going to suggest Alteration but that is a MUCH better way to do it, I think.


There is a way to do Transformers Beast Wars. The race is wyrwood. It's an actual Construct race. They have the racial trait to become a living machine type so they have con and can benefit from healing spells. The original race need make whole and greater make whole to heal. The race is normally small but there is an optional rule to be medium size.
Now for Transforming is two ways to go about this. Wizard specializing in Transmutation or Druid Wildshaping.


I didn't think about Beast Wars. I love Dinobot. I am ashamed of myself.


For Starscream, in particular... every single Betrayal-type Teamwork feat imaginable. Starscream is such an usurping, undermining scumbag... it's actually kind of awesome. What a worm.

I would say that undermining authority is actually more important for Starscream than any ability to actually transform into a fighter jet. Lol.


Try this link. It should start you on your way. Use some kind of giant turned construct or find stats for a appropriate vehicle. That's all I got for now!

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/transforming-c onstruct-cr-1/.


Heather, if I were your GM, I would create a Druid Archetype just for you, one that Wildshaped into Constructs.

I guess you could just be an Android Druidzilla character, and you and the GM could just agree that whatever you wildshaped into was still some kind of robot: that when you turned into a pteradactyl you really turned into a fighter jet, that when you turned into a Mammoth, you really turned into a backhoe-loader.

avr wrote:
There's object possession spells. They don't change your shape but let you control one like an animated object.

I totally want to play in a campaign where, when we're high enough level, we all chip in and create a bunch of Amulets of Possess Object and build a Garage full of statues to possess and become like Team Voltron.


I, too, would allow this as a Druid archetype for Androids.


Boy, wouldn't that be nice. I'm going to have to think long and hard about making a Starscream character. Though in the meantime, maybe I'll make Dinobot instead. (Not the group of bots, the Beast Wars character.) Turning into a velociraptor is probably a LOT easier.


We all know the most important part of Starscream is his voice.

Kind of like another guy that wore a silver mask and lead his organization with questionable skills.

Okay so now I want to make a character that is a big talking but cowardly noble with a secret identity as a big armored guy who some how flys and shoots "lasers" out of his arms. Both have eerily similar grating voices.

This is easy...mystic vigilante. :)

Well back to your thread...another sort of soft way of doing your pc idea is with an Aasimar with the feat chain that gives you metal skin and then later metal wings.

As for the vehicle part...isn't there a wearable golem?

Maybe look into the psi tech stuff?

Oh well I know it's frustrating when you have this idea you want to play but the rules just don't quite add up.


Heather 540 wrote:
Boy, wouldn't that be nice. I'm going to have to think long and hard about making a Starscream character. Though in the meantime, maybe I'll make Dinobot instead. (Not the group of bots, the Beast Wars character.) Turning into a velociraptor is probably a LOT easier.

AS long as you don't want to be a robot or android, thee are druid archetypes that allows you to turn into dinosaurs. (Saurian Shaman or Dinosaur Druid)


I will look at both of those.

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Scott Wilhelm wrote:

Heather, if I were your GM, I would create a Druid Archetype just for you, one that Wildshaped into Constructs.

I guess you could just be an Android Druidzilla character, and you and the GM could just agree that whatever you wildshaped into was still some kind of robot: that when you turned into a pteradactyl you really turned into a fighter jet, that when you turned into a Mammoth, you really turned into a backhoe-loader.

theres a shifter archetype that does this wild effigy


Neat.


Starscream wasn't about undermining authority. He wanted to lead the Decepticons. Power and the quest to get it was his whole focus. In one comic it was asked of Megatron why did he allow Starscream to continue to function. Megatron's reply was a bit surprising. As an aerial combatent he had no equal. He employed him as a blunt instrument. Secondly he kept him around to keep himself sharp. He had to be wary of betrayal and Starscream was always looking to betray him.
The nice thing about the standard Wildshape is it get's better and better. Wew have a standard druid in rise of the runelord game. He is pretty impressive using just his wildshape then his spells. I honestly don;t think he evemn knows half the spells he has. But he knows how to use his wildshape.


So the Dinosaur Druid archetypes makes you take an animal companion. The Saurian Shaman doesn't. I think I want to pass on the companion for this.


I think I'm going to go with the Saurian Shaman. I just like it better than Dinosaur Druid for this concept. I'm considering either Destruction or Strength as the domain.


Heather 540 wrote:
I think I'm going to go with the Saurian Shaman. I just like it better than Dinosaur Druid for this concept. I'm considering either Destruction or Strength as the domain.

I really like the Allosaurus.

I really like starting with 1 level in Brawler, then 4 levels in Druid, taking Shaping Focus, then levels in Warpriest. I like the Lesser Blessing of Destruction. You do Sacred Weapon Damage instead of regular Natural Weapon Damage, and then it Sizes Up. I was thinking a Wand of Strong Jaw. Maybe get a Helm of the Mammoth Lord, maybe dip 2 levels in Barbarian and take Lesser Fiend Totem after you get Fervor and can cast Lesser Restoration on yourself as a Swift Action to snap out of after-Rage Fatigue.

I like dipping a level in White Haired Witch and getting a Hair Attack, too.

Since Allosauruses have Pounce, Grab, and Rake, you will be doing a lot of Charging, so get your self some Allosaurus-shaped Barding and enchant it as Rhino Hide Armor. Oh, and you need Armor Spikes.


That sounds pretty cool, although I'm making a specific character in Pathfinder rather than a natural attack monster. I already have one of those. So the witch level won't be needed. I also want him to fight in normal form as well as dino form.

Warpriest could be useful though if I work out the levels just right.


Heather 540 wrote:

That sounds pretty cool, although I'm making a specific character in Pathfinder rather than a natural attack monster. I already have one of those. So the witch level won't be needed. I also want him to fight in normal form as well as dino form.

Warpriest could be useful though if I work out the levels just right.

So, like, what? You're building your own character, and not mine?

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Damned gatekeepers.


lol


Lemartes wrote:

We all know the most important part of Starscream is his voice.

Kind of like another guy that wore a silver mask and lead his organization with questionable skills.

Okay so now I want to make a character that is a big talking but cowardly noble with a secret identity as a big armored guy who some how flys and shoots "lasers" out of his arms. Both have eerily similar grating voices.

This is easy...mystic vigilante. :)

Well back to your thread...another sort of soft way of doing your pc idea is with an Aasimar with the feat chain that gives you metal skin and then later metal wings.

As for the vehicle part...isn't there a wearable golem?

Maybe look into the psi tech stuff?

Oh well I know it's frustrating when you have this idea you want to play but the rules just don't quite add up.

I mean Warlock Vigilante.

Carry on...


Ok. So I'm putting Starscream aside for now to make Dinobot. He's still Cybertroneon so the best choices for race are still android or wyrwood.

They have the exact same stat boosts, even though wyrwoods are small. They both have darkvision and low-light vision.


So since both races have the same stat boosts, I can go ahead and pick out the stats. With a 20 point buy and dumping Cha, I can get this:

15 Str, 14 Dex, 14 Con, 12 Int, 15 Wis, 5 Cha.


A bit late to the party but if 3rd party PF1e stuff were open to you, then mebbe Play Manga D20 might be an option for some future game if you still got that transforming vehicle robot itch? ;)


If you are playing a wyrwood without the alternate living machine racial trait you have no con score. It's essentially a 10. That gives you 5 more points to us. Put it into Wisdom.


Skinwalker/Android half-breed.


Uh no. Half breeds are very limited and those two are Not on the list.

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