Let's say creature A is grappling creature B, and creature B has the grab ability on its attacks. Creature B attacks creature A and hits, granting a free grapple. Would this free grapple-
a) Grant a grapple check to remove/reverse the grapple,
b) Create a separate instance of grapple, or
c) Fail?
Create B is allowed to try gain control of the Grapple, so I would imagine that the attack is resolved as normal. If the attack (with Grab) hits, roll damage, and roll to gain control of the Grapple.
Once both creatures are involved in a Grapple... all further Grapple attempts by either one are going to be vying for control, to damage, or to pin. Pretty sure that you have to gain control in order to do either of the other two. Or to escape? I think you can release the Grapple if you are in control, I don't know if it requires any sort of check.
It's a bunch of CMB/CMD back and forth nonsense, and everyone else just forgets about the both of them because nobody understands what they are looking at, where one creature stops and the other begins, so you just cover the eyes of the children and walk away.
Create B is allowed to try gain control of the Grapple, so I would imagine that the attack is resolved as normal. If the attack (with Grab) hits, roll damage, and roll to gain control of the Grapple.
Once both creatures are involved in a Grapple... all further Grapple attempts by either one are going to be vying for control, to damage, or to pin. Pretty sure that you have to gain control in order to do either of the other two. Or to escape? I think you can release the Grapple if you are in control, I don't know if it requires any sort of check.
It's a bunch of CMB/CMD back and forth nonsense, and everyone else just forgets about the both of them because nobody understands what they are looking at, where one creature stops and the other begins, so you just cover the eyes of the children and walk away.
There is no requirement to be in control of a grapple to do any of the actions. Being in control does exactly 2 things. 1) Allow you to end the grapple as a free action and 2) gives a +5 on grapple checks to do things to your opponent.
I concur that pinning someone who is in control of the grapple is silly, but it is allowed by the rules.
There is no requirement to be in control of a grapple to do any of the actions. Being in control does exactly 2 things. 1) Allow you to end the grapple as a free action and 2) gives a +5 on grapple checks to do things to your opponent.
I concur that pinning someone who is in control of the grapple is silly, but it is allowed by the rules.
Looking at the rules, pinning is a special action that can only be performed as part of a successful grapple attempt made to maintain a grapple. You only make checks to maintain the grapple if you're the one in control of it.