Rope Darts and Startoss style


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For Rope darts is the 20ft their max range or their first range increment? From my understanding of the weapon I would assume that's its max range and if that's the case how would a Rope dart work with startoss style? Would it be able to hit people within 20ft of me and up to 20ft from the previous guy I hit?


I think it works exactly like any other thrown weapon, honestly. The Rope Dart has a 12' ribbon and a 20' range as per its definition... so this ribbon is clearly designed to extend past its original 12' length.

So your dart hits its first target, the ribbon already growing from 12' to 20' to make this first hit possible, then the dart bounces towards its second target, the ribbon extending another 20', leaving this delicate silk ribbon drifting midair betwixt your enemies, as the dart weaves through the crowd dispatching foes like a twisted game of connect-the-dots...

Should it work like this? Absolutely not. But visually it is freaking awesome, so it should definitely be allowed. Plus, it's a rope dart, so who would ever not allow it? Be a Startoss Rope Dart Warpriest, still nobody cares.

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The way my groups have run it is that if you want the returning part of a rope dart, it has to stay within the first range increment. But if you don't care if it returns, it has the full 5 thrown increments.

For the 12' vs 20' argument, you get 5' of that for 'free' since that is your normal reach anyway. 5' free from reach, 12.5' from rope+dart round up to the nearest square is 20'. Maybe throw from edge of square instead of center for the round up portion. Ribbon? Where does it say Ribbon anywhere in the description? Even traditionally it was waxed rope. Maybe a trainer version or one entirely for flashy performance would have ribbon.

For Startoss, I am assuming you are talking about the ricocheting portion. If I was the GM I would allow it to have the returning function if all of the targets were within 1 increment of the thrower, but if it goes further than that at any point, then the thrower has lost hold of the rope and it can't return innately. I would probably also allow the thrower to use the returning function to reset the origin of the attacks back to their own square, just for the rule of cool.


How would I calculate the minuses for them all being within 1 range increment as well? Would it be based on total "distance" traveled for that ability compared to a 20ft range increment?


VoodistMonk wrote:

I think it works exactly like any other thrown weapon, honestly. The Rope Dart has a 12' ribbon and a 20' range as per its definition... so this ribbon is clearly designed to extend past its original 12' length.

So your dart hits its first target, the ribbon already growing from 12' to 20' to make this first hit possible, then the dart bounces towards its second target, the ribbon extending another 20', leaving this delicate silk ribbon drifting midair betwixt your enemies, as the dart weaves through the crowd dispatching foes like a twisted game of connect-the-dots...

Should it work like this? Absolutely not. But visually it is freaking awesome, so it should definitely be allowed. Plus, it's a rope dart, so who would ever not allow it? Be a Startoss Rope Dart Warpriest, still nobody cares.

Not sure where you're getting anything about a ribbon from. It's described as "a 12-foot rope attached to a 6-inch long, conical metal spike".

It can reach 20 ft the same way a 7-foot glaive has a 10 ft reach. Unexplained by RAW, but likely involving footwork or, you know, just the abstraction of a game system not based on realism. Certainly, neither the rope nor the glaive haft is extendable.

As for how it would work with the Startoss feat chain, I think if you wanted the dart to hit a target more than 20 ft from you, you'd have to let go of the rope and be unable to retrieve the dart.


Ribbon, rope, honestly is there enough of a difference to even bring it up? Seriously, twisted threads attaching something to something else... who gives a $#!+ if it's a ribbon, a rope, catgut, a really strong noodle... serves the exact same function and truly is freaking irrelevant in the context of this thread. What a stupid thing to "correct" me about.

Nerdy, nasal voice with a fat finger pushing up taped glasses... "excuse me, it says rope."

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