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I've played and reported some 1e Society games and have started GMing some 2e scenarios and quests. I really like the new edition and I am trying to like Society play, but I find myself getting frustrated with the way things are organized. It's like 2e Society is not even officially supported: Season 10 and the last 1e Organized Play guide are more prominently featured on the Pathfinder Society page here on this website. The reporting system uses the language of 1e Society, even when you're trying to report 2e games. Stuff from the (externally hosted!) 2e Society guide does not show up in the reporting system at all or pops up in a confusing way: According to the guide, everyone is supposed to get Achievement Points when playing or GMing scenarios. Some of my reported scenarios list those, some of them don't. There is a tab to purchase stuff with it, but only one boon is available and it costs nothing.
Long story short, it's a mess when you are coming to this as an outsider and I am sure it is putting a lot of people off. I would love to hear the story behind it, because I am sure there is one, given that paizo has extensive experience with Organized Play programs and there must be reasons for all this confusion.
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Alright, sorry about venting, but apparently I had to get this off my chest. I actually have some specific questions:
What am I supposed to put into the "GM prestige" box when I report games here? I guess we are supposed to treat "prestige" as "fame" for the purposes of reporting 2e games, so do I put the appropriate number in there?
What do I do if I don't have a character yet that I can apply my GM credit to? Leave the character number empty? Can I assign the credit later?
And speaking of GM credit, from reading the Organized Play guide section on filling out chronicle sheets, it sounds like there is no difference in what you put on or cross off GM and player chronicles. Is that really the intention? Wouldn't that incentivize GMs to make sure the players find all the treasure bundles, magic items and get all the boons, so they get access to them, too? Or do GM chronicles follow different rules (as, IIRC, was the case for 1e GM chronicles)?
I'm sorry if there are already answers to these questions somewhere, but I searched these lands and didn't find any so if I missed them, kindly point me in the right direction please.
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I would love to hear the story behind it
(there's a TL;DR at the bottom of that link as well)
What am I supposed to put into the "GM prestige" box when I report games here? I guess we are supposed to treat "prestige" as "fame" for the purposes of reporting 2e games, so do I put the appropriate number in there?
Yep.
What do I do if I don't have a character yet that I can apply my GM credit to? Leave the character number empty? Can I assign the credit later?
You can leave it blank (but put your ID# there at least) and edit it later to put your PC# in, or (what I would recommend) create a new PC# and assign it to that.
And speaking of GM credit, from reading the Organized Play guide section on filling out chronicle sheets, it sounds like there is no difference in what you put on or cross off GM and player chronicles. Is that really the intention? Wouldn't that incentivize GMs to make sure the players find all the treasure bundles, magic items and get all the boons, so they get access to them, too? Or do GM chronicles follow different rules (as, IIRC, was the case for 1e GM chronicles)?
"At the end of the adventure, the GM crosses out any items the PCs did not discover."
You get access to everything for the Tier you're applying the Chronicle at, although I admit I cannot find supporting text for that in the current iteration of the Guide.
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I feel you. Long story short, there have been and still are technical issues, staff shortages, other things taking priorities, and now covid, throwing wrenches in the wheels. OP staff and Paizo are working as hard as they can, to pull through. A quick search (especially checking couple blog posts relating to organized play) should give you a better picture.
Yeah, GM prestige seems to be GM fame - 4 or 2 if you played normal/slow track.
While the system does not prevent you from leaving it empty and filling it later, you SHOULD fill it with a character number when you report the game. IF you don't have any character at all yet, I'd just assign it to -2001 and let your GM blob grow in the background as you run games. As with PFS1, you can make changes to the character until you've actually played with it at level 2+. (Guide says you Must write and give yourself a chronicle at the same time when you're writing the player chronicles).
I can't remember if it's been spelled out in the guide, but it seems that the consensus is that it works like in 1e - GM gets full rewards and items based on the level of their character, regardless of the tier the PC's played and what success/failure they got.
EDIT: Ninja'd. I guess writing posts takes a few minutes.
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One more thing!
What do I do if I report a scenario with special faction mission? To I check the box for special faction +2 AND put the additional "Prestige" into the boxes next to each player?
And do I receive the additional 2 Reputation for completing a faction mission automatically as a GM? Or only the regular 4 and you have to play to get the bonus?
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The whole table earns the extra "prestige".
The "prestige" boxes by each character is to enter what THAT character earned. A character can choose to go slow so they would receive half that amount as the party earned.
You would not report extra "prestige" for each character as it is handed by the check mark earlier.
GMs get full rewards even if the party does not. This means treasure, "prestige", and bonus "prestige".
The reason for a GM "prestige" box is because the GM could choose to go slow. Extra "prestige" is assumed for GMs already.
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I think that is a question that needs clarification.
Example, suppose a scenario has the standard rewards, plus "bonus" prestige from Envoy's Alliance. My character is Radiant Oath. I slot my normal Radiant Oath faction champion boon so the primary four Prestige is applied to them. However, I would not earn the bonus because I did not slot Envoy's Alliance.
Alternately, I slot a Envoy's Alliance champion boon and get the primary reward AND the bonus reward applied to my status with Envoy's Alliance.
Alternately, I slot my normal Radiant Oath boon and earn four points to that pool, and the bonus go to an Envoy's Alliance pool that doesn't really matter unless I buy that champion boon.
I honestly don't know which version is right.
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The part that is confusing me is from the Champion boons...
"Normal A character gains no Reputation unless they have a faction boon slotted."
That seems to suggest that unless you slot the champion boon for the faction giving away the bonus prestige, you wouldn't earn it. Or it could just mean that in order to earn the prestige from the primary and secondary success conditions for a faction other than your initial free one, you have to slot the alternate champion boon. I honestly don't know and I'm sure I have completed some chronicles incorrectly as a result.
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I'm fairly certain its been clarified by the campaign leadership that your final 'alternatively' is the correct resolution.
If the table qualifies for the bonus reputation, everyone gets it regardless of their own faction champion/slotted, assigned to the faction specified in the scenario. Yes its likely to never matter much unless the character buys an extra champion boon and starts slotting it, but its still a reward you've earned. There was one early scenario in PFS2 that appeared to change this, but in the GM comment thread, Linda (I think) confirmed it was a mistake and should be whole table.
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Venture-Captain, Nebraska—Omaha
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The part that is confusing me is from the Champion boons...
"Normal A character gains no Reputation unless they have a faction boon slotted."
That seems to suggest that unless you slot the champion boon for the faction giving away the bonus prestige, you wouldn't earn it. Or it could just mean that in order to earn the prestige from the primary and secondary success conditions for a faction other than your initial free one, you have to slot the alternate champion boon. I honestly don't know and I'm sure I have completed some chronicles incorrectly as a result.
No, that is not what it is saying. What this is saying is that you can't get the reputation and fame earned from the adventure unless a Champion boon is slotted.
If the player made the choice not to slot one, they would still earn the bonus reputation because, well, it is a bonus! It is not tied to a Champion boon. This same discuss was had in the SFS forums and resolved there.
Clarifying the guide may be needed but I don't see it as confusing.
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I have not really followed SFS discussions and I'm not going to assume that how something works in SFS is how something is going to work in PFS. I'm not saying you are wrong, just that its a bit short of a definitive answer. If you look at it exclusively as its own system, absent of anything you may know from SFS, there are a number of ways it could be interpreted.
Since your first champion boon is free, it is essentially auto loaded into the faction slot, unless you chose to slot something else. I cannot think of a single reason you would chose not to slot any champion boon at all.
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Since your first champion boon is free, it is essentially auto loaded into the faction slot, unless you chose to slot something else. I cannot think of a single reason you would chose not to slot any champion boon at all.
I agree, but a player still has a choice to NOT slot it. As a GM, I will always assume a player has slotted their faction champion.
But your question about how it is to be applied for bonus reputation is good and NielsenE has already made a detail post on the guide update thread that should clear up any confusion.