Kineticist Esoteric knight what do you lose? Is it worth it?

[Dalex Blazetimber]

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/e-h/esoteric- knight/

So I'm wanting to go into esoteric knight but I'm not sure what I would lose if I started the class at level 8 kineticist. Also an idea on what benifits going into this class would bring by taking it on.

[Secret Wizard]

It's not very good for Kineticists. The main draws are:
- Fighter bonus feats
- Full BAB
- Enhancing weapons/armor

Kineticists use Kinetic Blasts, so, while they can use the BAB, they have no use for enhancing weapons and there are very few feats that work with Kinetic Blast.

So it's pretty bad. Go with the Kinetic Knight archetype if you want to hit stuff.

[Bloodrealm]

Never multiclass a Kineticist except maybe Evangelist PrC.

[glitchhappens]

Bloodrealm wrote:

Never multiclass a Kineticist except maybe Evangelist PrC.

I just recently found this prestige class and I have a few thoughts on it. First I love that they made one for this class, but it doesn't appear that great. I think the archetypes of Kinetic Knight and Elemental Annihilator would benefit best from this.

Mainly I see a trade off from some kineticist abilities for a better BAB, Combat feats and some interesting abilities that cost burn.

I would only use it if I was playing a Kinetic Knight and preferably with Mythic.

[ErichAD]

You're giving up too much as a kineticist. Getting combat feats isn't bad, but enhancing weapons is useless, the armor enhancement options aren't great, an AC boost keyed to charisma or intelligence isn't something you'd be building toward either. Kineticist is functionally a full BAB class as long as you keep up your elemental overflow, if that doesn't increase, then taking full bab isn't a benefit.

It's got a decent base ability set, full bab good fort and will, and combat feats every other level is nice. Maybe an Id Rager who needs bonus feats could use it. All that plus martial weapons and medium armor proficiency could make this a good 1 level dip heading toward something else.

If it added to both spell casting and blasting it could maybe help a Havocker witch, but it doesn't and wouldn't help enough to save the archetype. It could be a better way to finish out an esoteric dragon disciple after you've finished maxing dragon disciple. I doubt it, but maybe.

Spiritualist can take a feat that keeps their phantom up for 4 levels, and it has a couple combat archetypes that could use the bab and feats. Spiritualist 8/EK4 is probably the best use of the prestige class.