Form spells weapon group

[Gaulin]

Just a quick question I'm having a hard time finding the answer to - do the unarmed attacks of form spells have a weapon group? I would assume they're in the brawling group. I hope so, as I'm looking to be a fighter multiclassed into druid for wild shape, and proficiencies increase faster when you choose to specialize in them. It's possible that it's on purpose as a balance thing but maybe not.

[Laran]

You are right, that would seem to be an easy question

I would say that it depends on what you are discussing. If you are talking about the Fighter Weapon Mastery, then I would say that unarmed attacks do NOT benefit

CRB p317 States that the form grants unarmed melee attacks

CRB P278 Unarmed attacks CAN belong to a weapon group (Fist is part of the brawling group) BUT they are NOT weapons. The CAN implies that it is not automatic. Also, says abilities that work with weapons never work with unarmed unless specified

CRB 143 Fighter Weapon Mastery works with Simple and Martial weapons (and advanced).

[Gaulin]

That's too bad. I do wonder if it might be an oversight, and they should belong to a weapon group every other unarmed attack I could find that isn't granted by spells has brawling as it's group (lizardfolk kind of doesn't with it's various unarmed attacks but a separate feat they have implies they all belong to a weapon group).

Edit - Actually it looks like the errata dealt with this issue!

For any class feature that improves the proficiency rank or grants the critical specialization effect access for simple
weapons or a specific set of weapons, that ability also grants that benefit for unarmed attacks.

[Laran]

Wonderful - that means that a form shifting Fighter will be Legendary in their form attacks at 13th level. Pity about not getting the +4 damage though

Anyways, that's it for me with PF2. Routinely having to look in 4 places to figure out a rule is just too much. Good luck with your fighter and happy that you can make it like you want

[beowulf99]

I would like to see special unarmed attacks given weapon groups. A tail for example could belong to the "hammer" group and knockdown targets on a critical hit (assuming you have the crit specialization that is). Jaws I could see being classified as "Spears" while claws I could see benefiting from the "Knife" category.

Definitely not supported by the rules as is, but would be a neat addition in my opinion. I may try that out as a house rule to see how it goes.

[Palas]

So, at lvel 5, if i choose bows for my fighter weapon mastery, i get the master prof. For all unarmed attacks?

[Lightdroplet]

Palas wrote:

So, at lvel 5, if i choose bows for my fighter weapon mastery, i get the master prof. For all unarmed attacks?

As written, yes. Getting master proficiency in all bows definitely is something that improves proficiency rank in a specfic set of weapons (in that case, bows).